Burglary is a risky business....

SKsolutions

Do you have a wood chipper that I could borrow?

BaggedLancer

SKsolutions wrote: »

Do you have a wood chipper that I could borrow?

You should try a gasoline cut-off saw.....my Stihl will create some noise if that is what you need.

mrbigbluelight

"Activist Quanell X and dozens of other protesters Sunday faced hundreds of homeowners and supporters of Joe Horn, the Pasadena man who shot and killed two men he suspected of burglarizing a neighbor's home more than two weeks ago.
Families of the slain men, Miguel Antonio DeJesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, also were present.
Yard signs lined the 7400 block of Timberline in Pasadena, where the incident took place, as well as on nearby streets.
Residents and Horn supporters waved American flags and carried signs reading, "We love our neighbor for protecting our neighbors" and "Burglary is a risky business."
Motorcyclist Aaron "Blowout" Morrow, 43, and dozens of his fellow bikers lined Timberline, loudly revving their engines each time Quanell X attempted to speak.
"I support our rights as Americans to protect ourselves and support our Second Amendment rights," Morrow said.


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nms

Looks like fun! :rolleyes:

BaggedLancer

Thanks for that MBBL.

Props to the bikers for not letting the idiots, I mean activists, speak.

disneyjoe7

Love the biker who wouldn't let those activist speak, I feel it's about time we fought back.

WilliamM2

Is this the same incident someone linked to a few weeks ago? The guy on the phone with the cop who was about to shoot a burglar, and then went outside and shot them?

wingnut4772

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Is this the same incident someone linked to a few weeks ago? The guy on the phone with the cop who was about to shoot a burglar, and then went outside and shot them?

Yes.

bruss

I think it is

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Is this the same incident someone linked to a few weeks ago? The guy on the phone with the cop who was about to shoot a burglar, and then went outside and shot them?

treitz3

Well then. Everybody in America should send him a dollar or ten for his actions. Maybe that will get the message across to the burglars. :mad:

Um...........it was a burglar right? If it was, refer to statement above. If it wasn't , disregard post altogether.

hearingimpared

Sometimes it works out just right and other times . . .

brettw22

Is anyone able to get the video to play all the way through? It's stopping around 2 minutes and that's barely 1/5 of the total video.

Ron-P

That liveleak site is wild. I joined up and checked out some of the vids...damn!

F1nut

The 7400 block of Timberline in Pasadena ROCKS!!!


And why the F should anyone care what someone named Quanell X has to say? :rolleyes:

obieone

I hope Joe Horn runs for PUBLIC OFFICE! Him & Sheriff Arpaio could clean up this country 1 county at a time!

Systems

What are the finer details on what happened with all the goofy protesting aside from both sides?

So Joe Horn actually caught them in the act inside the neighbor’s house when he shot them dead? I wonder how the law actually sees that. They defiantly are lenient on people in the house who shoot robbers (under self defense), but I’m not sure how they fell about someone seeing it going on over at a neighbor’s house and shooting them dead. Not sure they would call it self defense but maybe defense of his neighbor if he thought they were home? Did the police file anything on Horn? This would be an interesting legal situation.

ND13

Knowing how this nation has changed, he'll end up in jail for 3rd degree manslaughter or negligent homicide. He had the cops on the phone and then shot them, iiuc. So it sounds like he shot them exiting the other house.

BaggedLancer

He'll get murder convictions....watch.

Systems

ND13 wrote: »

Knowing how this nation has changed, he'll end up in jail for 3rd degree manslaughter or negligent homicide. He had the cops on the phone and then shot them, iiuc. So it sounds like he shot them exiting the other house.

I'm secure enough in my belief that my local Police are fine people who would take care of a situation like that for me. If I saw the house next to me being broken into I sure as heck wouldn’t go out there guns blazing (like the wild wild west). I'd be on 911 immediately (while trying to get a license plate) and I would see 5 coppers here in no less than 5 minutes I would guess. I'd let them do the gun blazing if need be.

Now if I caught someone in my own house and it was occupied, they would go down in a blaze of glory and anyone who thinks that a crime can bite me.

We had a guy around here go up on murder charge for defending his home. He shot the burglar in the back and killed him as he was running out the house (got him in the front yard). I'm 100% in favor of that guy in any case. The legal reason why they went for him was that he shot the guy outside of his house while he was running away.

Sami

Shooting someone in self defense is a totally difference thing than going into someone else's house to shoot a burglar, or shooting them while they are exiting the house. I hate burglars and I understand Mr. Horn but what he did was wrong, there is no denying that.

avguytx

Yeah, if you're gonna shoot 'em, shoot 'em in your house. If someone breaks into my house, they aren't walking out alive. If I get shot in the process, well, it was just my time to go but I am going out protecting what is mine that I worked for.

sucks2beme

But seriously, the rule is there to prevent accidental shootings due to a misunderstanding.
The real issue here is he was outside when it happened.
I think the issue will turn ugly even with local support of the guy.
Although I'm happy he got the bad guys, how many times in the
last year did you hear of a guy at the wrong house getting shot as he was standing
outside the door.
And why do these events where a guilty party like a burglar or those kids that beat a
white kid in school get the protesters going?
Put your effert into cases for the innocent, not thugs.

zingo

It's a sad time in America when the home owner gets more crap from the media then the burglars.

disneyjoe7

zingo wrote: »

It's a sad time in America when the home owner gets more crap from the media then the burglars.

BINGO

steveinaz

While I support the castle doctrine 110%, this guy made some serious mistakes. He should have never approached them. He endangered himself, and plain clothes officers needlessly, not to mention setting himself up for a fall because he willfully "pursued" them. People need to realize that responding officers have no idea who the bad guys are, what they look like, etc; you go out there being johnny-good-citizen, shotgun in tow, you may very well get shot by the good guys.

I have zero sympathy for the deceased, crime is a dangerous thing, enter at your own risk; better yet, get a job like the rest of us.

As far as "Quanell X" goes...this guy is a moron. I've seen him on FOX news, talk about a case. Malcom X is turning over in his grave. This is the same moron that claimed the reaction (or lack thereof) to New Orleans during Katrina was all a plan by the white man to clean up New Orleans...sheesh, whatta tool.

Sami

zingo wrote: »

It's a sad time in America when the home owner gets more crap from the media then the burglars.

Except the guy wasn't the home owner.

sucks2beme

Sami wrote: »

Except the guy wasn't the home owner.

And this is what's gonna get him jail time. What the hell was he thinking?
Maybe the locals won't push it, but I bet some slick lawyers come to town from the ACLU or other outfit and make something stick. It's sad, but I
bet he at least gets a federal civil rights charge. Nothing like this stays local
any more.

Skynut

I'll bet the families in the other country will sue and get rich, the "good citizen" will do jail time and the bad guys will get a free funeral.

exalted512

I really have to disagree with some people here.

I do agree, yes, just because you see someone standing outside of a house that you dont know, you shouldnt go shoot them.

That wasnt the case. He saw them break into the house with a crow bar and come outside with stolen goods. If that happened to me, I would hope to God my neighbor shot them dead, or at least knee capped 'em.

Theres not much more I hate than a thief, and who doesnt want the neighbors helping out? The fact of the matter is, if you watched the video, it took over 7 minutes for the cops to show up in town in a residential area. Thats piss poor response time if you ask me.

Thieves arent going to stop until they have a legit. fear for their lives, if it takes more shootings like this, I'm all for it. It'll teach em that just because the people youre robbing arent home, doesnt mean youre not going to get blown away by the guy living next door.
-Cody

disneyjoe7

exalted512 wrote: »

I really have to disagree with some people here.

I do agree, yes, just because you see someone standing outside of a house that you dont know, you shouldnt go shoot them.

That wasnt the case. He saw them break into the house with a crow bar and come outside with stolen goods. If that happened to me, I would hope to God my neighbor shot them dead, or at least knee capped 'em.

Theres not much more I hate than a thief, and who doesnt want the neighbors helping out? The fact of the matter is, if you watched the video, it took over 7 minutes for the cops to show up in town in a residential area. Thats piss poor response time if you ask me.

Thieves arent going to stop until they have a legit. fear for their lives, if it takes more shootings like this, I'm all for it. It'll teach em that just because the people youre robbing arent home, doesnt mean youre not going to get blown away by the guy living next door.
-Cody

Thank you, and consider myself packed & ready for any robber I find at any neighbor house let alone mine. And yes if I shoot it's to KILL, I don't aim to wound.