Well, I hope you guys are happy now....

zingo

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pearsall001 wrote: »

What am I missing here? Is anybody else feeling as guilty as me? I don't know it's just too easy to put a CD on & here it's wonderful soothing sound.

But I hear you guys constatly griping about this not working right, this isn't level, I need a better cartridge, I need to upgrade my tonearm. The one I like best though is having to drag out the vacuum cleaner & do a Voodoo ritual to clean the damn record before it can sound decent. I feel guilty I tell ya!! All that free time I actually have to listen to music instead of the time spent just getting the record ready.

After a bad day there's nothing like reading thru all the TT threads & getting a good laugh. I really have to thank you guys/ gals for that. Now don't forget to break out the level, plug in the vacuum, dust the platform, check the needle, reset the tonearm, sit you butt on the record to flatten it (oh I forgot, there's a machine you're all chipping in for that does that.....Please!!!) what else is there before you actually hear any music? I'm feeling guilty I tell ya!!!

Oooohhh! Have you considered a career in writing?

Though part of the dialogue, I've got to agree w/your assessment!

Ricardo

pearsall001 wrote: »

What am I missing here? Is anybody else feeling as guilty as me? I don't know it's just too easy to put a CD on & here it's wonderful soothing sound.

But I hear you guys constatly griping about this not working right, this isn't level, I need a better cartridge, I need to upgrade my tonearm. The one I like best though is having to drag out the vacuum cleaner & do a Voodoo ritual to clean the damn record before it can sound decent. I feel guilty I tell ya!! All that free time I actually have to listen to music instead of the time spent just getting the record ready.

After a bad day there's nothing like reading thru all the TT threads & getting a good laugh. I really have to thank you guys/ gals for that. Now don't forget to break out the level, plug in the vacuum, dust the platform, check the needle, reset the tonearm, sit you butt on the record to flatten it (oh I forgot, there's a machine you're all chipping in for that does that.....Please!!!) what else is there before you actually hear any music? I'm feeling guilty I tell ya!!!

What's up with you pearsall? Don't you think that all this vinyl bashing is getting too old? Yes, I know you put your smilies at the end, but for some reason (and I think the reason is that your posts like this one are getting way too frequent) I'm pretty much getting tired of it. Can we just let people enjoy whatever format they like?

Yes, the "let's be nice" period is over.

hearingimpared

BottomFeeder wrote: »

Huh? Is this for real, or another in a long leg pulling line?

No pulling here! Go into your listening room. Place your head inside a thin metal pale, cover the bottom as best you can then listen to music. Listen past the fact that you're not getting the sound directly to your ears but listen to the effect the pale has on the air inside that surround your ears. That's what keeping the dust cover does to the stylus that is trying to simply pick up the groove undulations.

EDIT: WOW I just read Bill's post about the bucket on the head, ha ha ha we think a like. Uh Oh . . . I don't know if that is a good thing.:D

hearingimpared

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hearingimpared

billbillw wrote: »

The amount of dust that falls on a record in the 20 minutes or so that it plays on each side is not much. Using a soft carbon fiber brush right before playing does a pretty good job of getting stray dust off and neutralizing static. The VPIs are not bad for static anyway due to the acrylic platters. That is probably the single biggest thing that has made me stick with VPI.

Yep keep the static off the the entire table, platter and all and it is no longer a dust magnet.

madmax

I tried my cover up and down and couldn't detect a difference. I'm about 50/50 on opened/closed cover while listening.

pearsall001

HTrookie wrote: »

What's up with you pearsall? Don't you think that all this vinyl bashing is getting too old? Yes, I know you put your smilies at the end, but for some reason (and I think the reason is that your posts like this one are getting way too frequent) I'm pretty much getting tired of it. Can we just let people enjoy whatever format they like?

Yes, the "let's be nice" period is over.

Take a chill bro, it's only tongue in cheek humor that's all. Just having a little fun at my TT buddies expense. Don't worry they'll fire back in a humorous way also. It's all good!!!

hearingimpared

madmax wrote: »

I've heard "good digital". It competes nicely with high quality vinyl.
madmax

I've heard it too at F1's house and yes it does compete nicely. . . I would have to add that the player we listened to cost about the same new as my analog rig used. So yes I have a lot more money in the vinyl rig and gladly keep spending more because the technology for vinyl has taken giant steps forward.

A lot of people look at it as an old technology . . . to them I say . . . well yes the basic premise but the new tables, and tonearms and cartridges are just incredible sounding. I just mounted a cartridge that virtually eliminates surface noise, and crackly records. It raises the music high above the noise. Now if the crackles are deep then of course it can't raise it above the noise but I can tell you, I have some really awesome recordings that on my previous cartridges sounded crackly . . . they don't sound that way now!

hearingimpared

pearsall001 wrote: »

What am I missing here? Is anybody else feeling as guilty as me? I don't know it's just too easy to put a CD on & here it's wonderful soothing sound.

But I hear you guys constatly griping about this not working right, this isn't level, I need a better cartridge, I need to upgrade my tonearm. The one I like best though is having to drag out the vacuum cleaner & do a Voodoo ritual to clean the damn record before it can sound decent. I feel guilty I tell ya!! All that free time I actually have to listen to music instead of the time spent just getting the record ready.

After a bad day there's nothing like reading thru all the TT threads & getting a good laugh. I really have to thank you guys/ gals for that. Now don't forget to break out the level, plug in the vacuum, dust the platform, check the needle, reset the tonearm, sit you butt on the record to flatten it (oh I forgot, there's a machine you're all chipping in for that does that.....Please!!!) what else is there before you actually hear any music? I'm feeling guilty I tell ya!!!

You crack me up! It takes less that one minute to prep a record for play. Once a table is set up it only requires a tweak or two down the road to make adjustments.

I think what you are missing here Phil is that this medium sounds so awesome and engaging that all the crappola you listed above is worth the effort. I feel for you, you buy a CD transport and a DAC and what you hear is what you get PERIOD. How can you improve that great digital sound. . . you can't, oh maybe a digital cable but oh yeah you would have to buy a more expensive transport or DAC. Same issues brother.

pearsall001

hearingimpared wrote: »

You crack me up! It takes less that one minute to prep a record for play. Once a table is set up it only requires a tweak or two down the road to make adjustments.

I think what you are missing here Phil is that this medium sounds so awesome and engaging that all the crappola you listed above is worth the effort. I feel for you, you buy a CD transport and a DAC and what you hear is what you get PERIOD. How can you improve that great digital sound. . . you can't, oh maybe a digital cable but oh yeah you would have to buy a more expensive transport or DAC. Same issues brother.

No need to feel sorry. I'm quite happy with the awesome music I'm listening to thru my new DAC. The combination of the DAC along w/ the CJ and the AAD monitors leaves me wanting for nothing else. When I'm really into critical listening I do pull the Dyson out of the closet & leave it in the room. Just makes everything more analog sounding. You understand!!

BottomFeeder

hearingimpared wrote: »

No pulling here! Go into your listening room. Place your head inside a thin metal pale, cover the bottom as best you can then listen to music. Listen past the fact that you're not getting the sound directly to your ears but listen to the effect the pale has on the air inside that surround your ears. That's what keeping the dust cover does to the stylus that is trying to simply pick up the groove undulations.

EDIT: WOW I just read Bill's post about the bucket on the head, ha ha ha we think a like. Uh Oh . . . I don't know if that is a good thing.:D

Er, I'm trying your suggestion, but I only have a thin PLASTIC pale (pail?). Will that suffice?

SCompRacer

Kewl, we don't have to be nice anymore!:D

Some of us obviously like both vinyl and digital. I know I can listen to either for hours. Phil has a right to bash vinyl just like you vinyl newbs think it is the second coming.

Sometimes I just have to listen to the music though as not all vinyl or CD recordings are perfect. Just like life. Just like all of us. And, if you sit there and have heard all or parts of my system and don't like it, too bad. I don't need anyones validation, or their absolutes as to what is superior. You shouldn't require anyones validation or support either. Five little words. You get what you accept.


Just for some fun....Phil, here is something you can use to make your digital more vinyl like.

http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/vinyl/

You have complete control over the following parameters:

Mechanical Noise The amount of turntable motor rumble and noise

Electrical Noise Internally generated electrical noise, such as 60 Hz grounding hum

Wear Control how worn out the record is, from brand new to played a few thousand times

Dust The amount of dust on the record

Scratch The number and depth of scratches on the record

Warp The amount of warping and the warp shape for the record - from no warp to the edges totally melted and warped

Record Player Year The year of the record player - from current linear tracking turntables to 1930 phonographs

Stereo/Mono Switch between stereo and mono output

Input and Output Gain Set the gain in and out of the effect with visual level meter feedback

wingnut4772

madmax wrote: »

I've heard "good digital". It competes nicely with high quality vinyl.
madmax

I heard some 'good digital' today at the dealer. Rogue tube amps with Rogue CD player of some sort and I forget the speakers but it was not listenable for me. Way too bright.I think the tweeters were metal so icky icky poo.
But you are right. I have not heard high end digital that I like anyway yet. Mine is the best I ahve heard yet but I think that is the speakers more than anything else.

I also learned an expensive vinyl lesson today. Be careful cleaning the platter and don't bump the cartridge. Needless to say, I won't do it again.:eek:

SCompRacer

BottomFeeder wrote: »

Er, I'm trying your suggestion, but I only have a thin PLASTIC pale (pail?). Will that suffice?

Round is sonically superior to square or rectangular dust covers.:D

SCompRacer

wingnut4772 wrote: »

I also learned an expensive vinyl lesson today. Be careful cleaning the platter and don't bump the cartridge. Needless to say, I won't do it again.:eek:

I killed a Dynavector 20X by snagging the stylus with my shirt sleeve. Expensive lessons.

Ricardo

pearsall001 wrote: »

Take a chill bro, it's only tongue in cheek humor that's all. Just having a little fun at my TT buddies expense. Don't worry they'll fire back in a humorous way also. It's all good!!!

It's all good Phil; just typed what I felt. Maybe just a bad day. You know, I dig vinyl too

jimmyzen

F1nut wrote: »

That's a very narrow minded view point and you have no idea what you're missing. Even though I don't own, nor want to own vinyl any longer, I do realize and appreciate that it is just one of a few worthwhile formats available to us today.

I also know without a doubt that a good vinyl vacuum cleaning machine is an absolute must have, if one is to get the best out of that format.

I own over 6000 CD titles and still have several thousand LPs and hundreds of cassettes. I replaced almost every single LP with the CD counterpart. Plus I have sold, given away, or tossed another 1000 CDs over the years as well as sold and given away two huge record collections. I still buy an average of a dozen pieces of music a month. Pardon me, but after all that I don't see refusing to switch to another audio format as being narrow minded. My comment referred to a new format such as the memory stick that was attempted to be foisted on the consumer back when CDs weren't even that old. Maybe there are some people willing to reinvest in a new wave of whatever will hold music, but no way will I replace my collection again. If others want to, that's fine. I wouldn't presume to call them fickle for traipsing down that path. I've been down it. I paid my dues. I don't want to go again. Narrow minded indeed!

As to the record vac being an absolute must have, we can agree to disagree. Out of curiosity after reading the record vac stuff posted here and then after seeing the prices of these things I decided to look at some of my well cared for LPs. I took a couple of my really old records including an original mono copy of Freak Out by the Mothers of Invention (from 1967-68 and much played) and looked at it under the Zeiss bench style Stereo microscope I use in my workshop. The grooves looked pretty doggone clean to me considering the LP has been washed maybe a half dozen times in distilled water and a drop of soap over the years and cleaned with a Discwasher before each play. The other LPs I looked at were in similar condition. I was given a bunch of old LPs including some box sets that were demo records given out with Zenith stereo systems back in the early 1960s. I never played them because I don't listen to that type of music. They definitely showed caked on crud and wear under the microscope. I think I'll take several hundred dollars and buy some music and leave the record vacs to somebody else. And to think for the past 30 plus years I haven't really enjoyed my music because I didn't own a record vac....;)

hearingimpared

madmax wrote: »

I tried my cover up and down and couldn't detect a difference. I'm about 50/50 on opened/closed cover while listening.

I'm very surprised to hear that!:eek:

jimmyzen

TroyD wrote: »

Again, whatever works for you, however, it's my experience, and I've done the handwashing thing, there is NO substitute for vacuum cleaning an LP. None.

Think about your rug, would you be satisfied with just sweeping it over the long haul as opposed to a vacuum cleaner?

BDT

I don't walk on my records nor do my dogs and cats. I don't eat over my records. I don't lay down and stretch out on my records. Is this something that came about back when portable record players were advertised by showing groovy teens twisting away playing records while at the beach? On the sand? In salt water and air? Or clever marketing?

hearingimpared

jimmyzen wrote: »

I own over 6000 CD titles and still have several thousand LPs and hundreds of cassettes. I replaced almost every single LP with the CD counterpart. Plus I have sold, given away, or tossed another 1000 CDs over the years as well as sold and given away two huge record collections. I still buy an average of a dozen pieces of music a month. Pardon me, but after all that I don't see refusing to switch to another audio format as being narrow minded. My comment referred to a new format such as the memory stick that was attempted to be foisted on the consumer back when CDs weren't even that old. Maybe there are some people willing to reinvest in a new wave of whatever will hold music, but no way will I replace my collection again. If others want to, that's fine. I wouldn't presume to call them fickle for traipsing down that path. I've been down it. I paid my dues. I don't want to go again. Narrow minded indeed!

As to the record vac being an absolute must have, we can agree to disagree. Out of curiosity after reading the record vac stuff posted here and then after seeing the prices of these things I decided to look at some of my well cared for LPs. I took a couple of my really old records including an original mono copy of Freak Out by the Mothers of Invention (from 1967-68 and much played) and looked at it under the Zeiss bench style Stereo microscope I use in my workshop. The grooves looked pretty doggone clean to me considering the LP has been washed maybe a half dozen times in distilled water and a drop of soap over the years and cleaned with a Discwasher before each play. The other LPs I looked at were in similar condition. I was given a bunch of old LPs including some box sets that were demo records given out with Zenith stereo systems back in the early 1960s. I never played them because I don't listen to that type of music. They definitely showed caked on crud and wear under the microscope. I think I'll take several hundred dollars and buy some music and leave the record vacs to somebody else. And to think for the past 30 plus years I haven't really enjoyed my music because I didn't own a record vac....;)

I'm not buying what you are selling as far as "a drop of soap." Soap, any kind, leaves residue plus your drying method would leave me to believe that there is still dirt and / or residue in the grooves. There is only one chemical cleaning agent that I know of that one can let air dry and be sure no residue is left.

Plus you can get a good used vacuum system on epay or the gon for less than the dozen pieces of music you purchase in a month. Besides this thread was about Darla's new found love. . . let's leave it that way.

treitz3

Congratulations Darla! Have fun. I am.;)

wingnut4772

treitz3 wrote: »

Congratulations Darla! Have fun. I am.;)

Thanks. I have to do something while the HT is down.:p

lightman1

Damn! Y'all play for keeps!
But, it's just funny to me to see how it all started out as someone figured a way to put grooves on a cylinder and somehow reproduce that sound through the simple vibrations of aluminum against reed.
All I knew in my early years was what Dad would bring home from the studio, fire up "The Fisher" and play the next country,blues,rock..etc. band that would would be big. Back then I could not understand what he fully meant. I just know it sounded good, on tape, on master cut vinyl or on eight track rtr.
It took him a while to warm up to the 1's and 0's when he was working on that new fangled format. "Sounds like it's etched on a piece of glass, and you know what glass rhymes with, son!"
Y'all take it from there. I love vinyl, magnetic, AAD, DAD, DDD,SACD...
Listen to the music, not what format you are listening to.
Lightman

F1nut

jimmyzen wrote: »

I own over 6000 CD titles and still have several thousand LPs and hundreds of cassettes. I replaced almost every single LP with the CD counterpart. Plus I have sold, given away, or tossed another 1000 CDs over the years as well as sold and given away two huge record collections. I still buy an average of a dozen pieces of music a month. Pardon me, but after all that I don't see refusing to switch to another audio format as being narrow minded. My comment referred to a new format such as the memory stick that was attempted to be foisted on the consumer back when CDs weren't even that old. Maybe there are some people willing to reinvest in a new wave of whatever will hold music, but no way will I replace my collection again. If others want to, that's fine. I wouldn't presume to call them fickle for traipsing down that path. I've been down it. I paid my dues. I don't want to go again. Narrow minded indeed!

As to the record vac being an absolute must have, we can agree to disagree. Out of curiosity after reading the record vac stuff posted here and then after seeing the prices of these things I decided to look at some of my well cared for LPs. I took a couple of my really old records including an original mono copy of Freak Out by the Mothers of Invention (from 1967-68 and much played) and looked at it under the Zeiss bench style Stereo microscope I use in my workshop. The grooves looked pretty doggone clean to me considering the LP has been washed maybe a half dozen times in distilled water and a drop of soap over the years and cleaned with a Discwasher before each play. The other LPs I looked at were in similar condition. I was given a bunch of old LPs including some box sets that were demo records given out with Zenith stereo systems back in the early 1960s. I never played them because I don't listen to that type of music. They definitely showed caked on crud and wear under the microscope. I think I'll take several hundred dollars and buy some music and leave the record vacs to somebody else. And to think for the past 30 plus years I haven't really enjoyed my music because I didn't own a record vac....;)

Yeah ok, but......

I still have my vinyl collection and thanks to eBay I have replaced every long gone LP that provided the soundtrack to my misspent youth. And lots of other cool stuff, too. It's also a reminder that the entertainment industry will never get me to buy -and I do mean BUY- into another media format again.

....sure reads like vinyl is it for you, hence my comment.

TroyD

jimmyzen wrote: »

I don't walk on my records nor do my dogs and cats. I don't eat over my records. I don't lay down and stretch out on my records. Is this something that came about back when portable record players were advertised by showing groovy teens twisting away playing records while at the beach? On the sand? In salt water and air? Or clever marketing?

Again, I'm talking about what works for ME. I've done the handwashing thing with decent results. However the machine is better and faster, period.

Would you get rid of your vacuum cleaner and just sweep your carpets? The same analogy applies. You took care of your LP's, bully for you. Many people did not and when you buy them, they are in need of a good cleaning. Plus, if you haven't used a vacuum cleaner, you are pretty much talking out of your ****. I've tried both methods and in MY case, the cleaner was WELL worth the expense as many other vinyl enthusiats have found.

As I said, I'm not trying to convert anyone. Anyone that's NOT into vinyl is on less person going through the LP bins at the local thrift. Good for me. If you don't like it, fine. I'm not trying to rain on YOUR parade, rather I'm trying to tell people who ARE interested what I've tried and found that works for me. If you aren't in that camp.....feel free to find another thread to dick up.

BDT

jimmyzen

madmax wrote: »

I tried my cover up and down and couldn't detect a difference. I'm about 50/50 on opened/closed cover while listening.

My wife made a cool custom fitted thick cloth cover that fits snugly over the dust cover of my TT. It also extends down over the edges of it down to the bottom of the base. It does a very good job of absorbing vibrations from the room that would otherwide be transmitted to the stylus. I play my music loud quite regularly and I can tell a huge difference at volume! It seems to help with static building up in the plastic cover, too. I don't know if such a thing is sold retail or not. If you know someone who is good with a sewing machine I'd recommend getting one made. You can also match the fabric color/pattern to the room decor or the speaker grilles, etc.

hearingimpared

Jeezz you sure seem to have all the bases covered.

jimmyzen

TroyD wrote: »

Again, I'm talking about what works for ME. I've done the handwashing thing with decent results. However the machine is better and faster, period.

Would you get rid of your vacuum cleaner and just sweep your carpets? The same analogy applies. You took care of your LP's, bully for you. Many people did not and when you buy them, they are in need of a good cleaning. Plus, if you haven't used a vacuum cleaner, you are pretty much talking out of your ****. I've tried both methods and in MY case, the cleaner was WELL worth the expense as many other vinyl enthusiats have found.

As I said, I'm not trying to convert anyone. Anyone that's NOT into vinyl is on less person going through the LP bins at the local thrift. Good for me. If you don't like it, fine. I'm not trying to rain on YOUR parade, rather I'm trying to tell people who ARE interested what I've tried and found that works for me. If you aren't in that camp.....feel free to find another thread to dick up.

BDT

I don't see where I was being rude or nasty and I wasn't being literal. Should I have put a winky smiley face after my comment? The bad analogy was yours, not mine. I merely made a light hearted rib over it which put you on the defensive and made you angwy! Awwww...I sawwee! Seriously though, I kinda take some of this high end audio and accessory stuff with more than a bit of doubt. Some of these products have are based on a smidge of truth, but then it's extrapolated on a hundred times over. I'm open to new ideas, but the skeptic in me tends to take these things with a grain of salt and I challenge what I think is dubious. Marketing is designed to create a perceived need in the consumer and then fill that need. The less educated the consumer is about the intricacies of the technology the easier it is to take advantage of them. I believe that in audio only a small percentage of those who enjoy the hobby have a technical understanding it. It's not necessary to have one to enjoy it, but I think it creates a vulnerability where people are very susceptible to reliance on "experts". Many experts have a vested interest in selling product and making money. There's nothing wrong with that either. But sometimes I have a difficult time associating any real world practicality with some of the products that are hawked. I can't just accept someone's word that something works because it cost a lot or because he's got $200,000 in his audio system while poor, poor pitiful me only has about $6000 in mine. Consequently, I can't possibly know what I'm talking about and how dare I question jokingly, or otherwise, one of the High Priests of Audio. Apparently with your suggestion that I find another thread to "dick up" puts you in this class because you decide I have no right to comment about or question you, especially since I don't agree with you. Even if I question based on evidence that I took the extra effort and initiative to gather I still dare not challenge you, huh? If you have something to teach me- teach me! If all you have is this egocentric you are better than me attitude, don't even respond to me. I won't change to appease the likes of you and I certainly won't learn anything from you. My life has taught me that those so easily rankled often possess knowledge that may be miles wide, but is only paper thin.

For anyone else who thinks my only interest is, well, whatever it is I'm doing to be called "dicking up" a thread, in another thread I stated I doubted the ability of high end interconnects to provide major sonic improvement. I based my belief on my understanding of and experience with electronics. People were kind enough to respond to me as if I was an equal, unlike TroyD. As a result of their input I just received a half dozen high end interconnects that I paid far more for than I would have ever imagined I'd spend on interconnects. If the proof is in the pudding, I'm willing to taste it. Doesn't this prove that I'm willing to listen, learn, and put my money where my mouth is? If I like the results, I will buy more of them. I will also post my findings and admit I was wrong IF that's what I find. That's why I came to this forum- to learn; not to be snobbed at.