Well, I hope you guys are happy now....
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Darla,, congrats on the scout,,I just picked one up about two weeks ago,don't you just love it
Have fun and enjoy. JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut) -
I sell vinyl.
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Glad you got it worked out, so you now own a record cleaning machine and a fine TT, excellent.
Looks like GG has a new customer boys.
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It'll NEVER happen girlfriend!
I'm glad you are enjoying yourself Darla. I have a Sony Turntable that is over 25yrs old & hasn't been played in years!
I just love the convenience & size & clear sound of cd's & would never think to go back to something that to me never sounded all that good to begin with.
If I am supposedly losing something within the cd sound, it is a loss that I am more than happy to live with, especially since I don't tie myself into knots trying to analyze every last little detail of what I'm hearing. (that's too much work & this is supposed be enjoyment.)
You have joined the ranks of taking a fun, enjoyable experience & turned it into a time consuming, ultra expensive, second job that you don't get paid for.
Enjoy yourself if that is possible, but I'm not interested!:)wingnut4772 wrote: »What I like most so far about the promise of what I am hearing (anyway) is NO DIGITAL GLARE. Chicks are really sensitive to that. When I get this all ironed out I will try to convert Cathy!:DMarantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
Cathy: +1,000,000,000%
Absolutely no interest.... I have no doubt that if I went out and spent $5-$10K on new electronics/players/vinyl/etc... that I could get a better sound with vinyl than I have now with CD but I can honestly same I'm happy with what I have and certainly see no justification for the $$$ and time needed to get a vinyl rig even close to a simple digital rig.
If someone else has the time and the finances, have fun and I'll come check it out, but no desire on this side to do it myself.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
I really have never understood why it has to be Analog or Digital, one side or the other???? Its a big hobby with so many paths.
At some point you just have to go where the media you like is readily available and well recorded. I have about two grand (used) in my TT rig and it sounds effin great to me. I certainly do not think anybody should think they immediately have to spend a lot of money. I certainly do not spend alot of time with setting up my TT Rig, actually my TT has been much more reliable than the fancy dancy CD players I have had and still do have.
Its getting to be less and less about the gear for me, I suppose I am reaching the point where I am happy with what I have, its getting to be more and more about media in whatever format I can find that brings the best the artist has to my rig.
Vinyl is well worth the small effort I have put into it, I have many here to thank for getting me back into this part of the hobby, so thanks guys.
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hearingimpared wrote: »I hope you don't mean you keep the dust cover down while playing a record. This is not a good practice. It will not hurt anything but it will sure lound lousy.
Huh? Is this for real, or another in a long leg pulling line?"Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then." Bob Seger -
Jdh and Cathy, I said the same thing 2-3 years ago. Absolutely NO interest in vinyl. Then I started seeing how cheap you could pick up used vinyl at Goodwill, garage sales, Craigslist, Ebay, Tower Records (now gone), and a few other places. 50 cents for clean copies of stuff! My brother sent me a freebie extra table that he had and I was off to the races. 20 months, 5 turntables, 6-7 cartridges, and approx 700 albums later, and I'm loving it!For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore...
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BottomFeeder wrote: »Huh? Is this for real, or another in a long leg pulling line?
Its no pulling of anything. Having the dustcover down creates a resonance inside. Both from the sound coming off the stylus and the sound in the room. It varies depending on speaker positioning, turntable isolation, the table, the dustcover, etc., but in general, it always sounds better with the cover up or removed completely.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
And THAT says it all right there as to why I'm not interested in getting into this side of audio ever again!
Just how much money did you throw away going through those 5 turntables & 6-7 cartridges? And where do you keep all those albums?:eek:20 months, 5 turntables, 6-7 cartridges, and approx 700 albums later, and I'm loving it!Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
Yeah, the media might be cheap, but when you figure that I would be re-buying anything that I would actually want to listen to, plus the cost of the equipment to get it up to par with the rest of the system, well, I don't need the extra $$$.
If someone else is doing it, great! Go for it! I'm perfectly happy with what I have and have no real need to add or change that experience.There is no genuine justice in any scheme of feeding and coddling the loafer whose only ponderable energies are devoted wholly to reproduction. Nine-tenths of the rights he bellows for are really privileges and he does nothing to deserve them. We not only acquired a vast population of morons, we have inculcated all morons, old or young, with the doctrine that the decent and industrious people of the country are bound to support them for all time.-Menkin -
Its no pulling of anything. Having the dustcover down creates a resonance inside. Both from the sound coming off the stylus and the sound in the room. It varies depending on speaker positioning, turntable isolation, the table, the dustcover, etc., but in general, it always sounds better with the cover up or removed completely.
Sheesh! That's amazing to me. Thanks for the heads up.
Learning..."Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then." Bob Seger -
And THAT says it all right there as to why I'm not interested in getting into this side of audio ever again!
Just how much money did you throw away going through those 5 turntables & 6-7 cartridges? And where do you keep all those albums?:eek:
Surprisingly little. My first table was free, and every table I bought after that, I ended selling for a profit (including the freebie). Some of the cartridges were free, others were bought at low cost. My current OC9 cost me less than $170. I sold at least one cartridge for a small profit sold some of the freebies for a small sum too. The only cartridge I bought new, I sold for about half price. I still have a back up MM cartridge too.
If you take out about 30 or so albums that I bought new, the average price of my albums is easily less than a buck each, maybe closer to 50 cents each. Try buying CDs for that price! Oh yeah, I keep all the albums in a bookshelf that is in my listening room.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
BottomFeeder wrote: »Sheesh! That's amazing to me. Thanks for the heads up.
Learning...
Kinda like putting a plastic bucket over your head. Try it sometime.:pFor rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
Wow!!! Only lasted a few days! Now that's a big upgrade bug!
Congrats! You've got a table that will run with the big dogs now. But you're in for more trouble though. Your phono stage is a pretty big bottle neck now. I'll bet you're already itchin'!:rolleyes:
Not at all. It sounds terriffic. I am pretty happy with it for now. The PHP850 is very sweet. Maybe WAAAY down the line I will experiment but if anything I will try out some decent monoblocks first.hearingimpared wrote: »The 9, 10 or 12?
The 9, I believe.Sharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch
Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door. -
Its no pulling of anything. Having the dustcover down creates a resonance inside. Both from the sound coming off the stylus and the sound in the room. It varies depending on speaker positioning, turntable isolation, the table, the dustcover, etc., but in general, it always sounds better with the cover up or removed completely.
That's what my dealer said as well..I would like to keep dust from falling on it though..Sharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch
Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door. -
It'll NEVER happen girlfriend!
I'm glad you are enjoying yourself Darla. I have a Sony Turntable that is over 25yrs old & hasn't been played in years!
I just love the convenience & size & clear sound of cd's & would never think to go back to something that to me never sounded all that good to begin with.
If I am supposedly losing something within the cd sound, it is a loss that I am more than happy to live with, especially since I don't tie myself into knots trying to analyze every last little detail of what I'm hearing. (that's too much work & this is supposed be enjoyment.)
You have joined the ranks of taking a fun, enjoyable experience & turned it into a time consuming, ultra expensive, second job that you don't get paid for.
Enjoy yourself if that is possible, but I'm not interested!:)
Cathy, I totally respect your opinion and YES! CD's are very convenient and sound excellent. BUT I have never been as moved by my music as I was last night.For the first time ever I was able to just close my eyes and let Norah sing without concerning myself with the gear at all.
I don't know what your past LP experience is but I remember them being pretty crappy compared to cd's as well. At our level, that is not the case. At least listen to someone else's set up that's decent. If you are all about the music, you will not be disappointed.
Of course the Von Schweikert speakers don't hurt either.:pSharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch
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wingnut4772 wrote: »That's what my dealer said as well..I would like to keep dust from falling on it though..
The amount of dust that falls on a record in the 20 minutes or so that it plays on each side is not much. Using a soft carbon fiber brush right before playing does a pretty good job of getting stray dust off and neutralizing static. The VPIs are not bad for static anyway due to the acrylic platters. That is probably the single biggest thing that has made me stick with VPI.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
I'm kind of with Ted, I'm an anti-tweak sort of guy. I got my table set up and RONCO'd that ****.
I will admit that the entry fee to what I (ME, my opinion) consider to be 'reference' quality vinyl sound ain't cheap....~2K is not out of the question including the vacuum cleaner. You can do it cheaper if you go used but I'm leary about used tables (I'd be leary of buying one over ebay, for example). So, yeah, there is the upfront cost.
However, LP's can be had for a song....a buck each at thrifties. Used vinyl from dealers ain't that bad either. So, the medium is cheaper. If you dig classical, as I do, there is a LOT that was never released on CD. In a LOT of cases, the release to CD (this is accross the board) absolutely SUCKED. So, there is merit to having LP playback.
Now, as far as it being more time consuming. I can take an LP out of it's sleeve, clean it and have it spinning in less than a minute. I don't buy the whole 'effort' angle.
Lastly, the whole pop and click issue. With old direct drive tables with **** arm/carts and vinyl that got an occaisional brush, MAYBE, yeah...that will sound like ****.
A quality, properly set up table and properly cleaned/handled LP's can give a level of sound that can compete with digital. It's a different sound and it's not for everyone but it is attainable. Even F1 has conceded that. Now, if you choose not to pursue it, that's a different issue and I can understand not wanting to incur the expense.
Again, I'm not trying to sway anyone...I could care less. I just hate to see anyone dismiss something out of hand or based on a faulty premise.
BDTI plan for the future. - F1Nut -
I'm kind of with Ted, I'm an anti-tweak sort of guy. I got my table set up and RONCO'd that ****.
I will admit that the entry fee to what I (ME, my opinion) consider to be 'reference' quality vinyl sound ain't cheap....~2K is not out of the question including the vacuum cleaner. You can do it cheaper if you go used but I'm leary about used tables (I'd be leary of buying one over ebay, for example). So, yeah, there is the upfront cost.
However, LP's can be had for a song....a buck each at thrifties. Used vinyl from dealers ain't that bad either. So, the medium is cheaper. If you dig classical, as I do, there is a LOT that was never released on CD. In a LOT of cases, the release to CD (this is accross the board) absolutely SUCKED. So, there is merit to having LP playback.
Now, as far as it being more time consuming. I can take an LP out of it's sleeve, clean it and have it spinning in less than a minute. I don't buy the whole 'effort' angle.
Lastly, the whole pop and click issue. With old direct drive tables with **** arm/carts and vinyl that got an occaisional brush, MAYBE, yeah...that will sound like ****.
A quality, properly set up table and properly cleaned/handled LP's can give a level of sound that can compete with digital. It's a different sound and it's not for everyone but it is attainable. Even F1 has conceded that. Now, if you choose not to pursue it, that's a different issue and I can understand not wanting to incur the expense.
Again, I'm not trying to sway anyone...I could care less. I just hate to see anyone dismiss something out of hand or based on a faulty premise.
BDT
I think (so far) it more than competes with digital. It surpasses it.Sharp Elite 70
Anthem D2V 3D
Parasound 5250
Parasound HCA 1000 A
Parasound HCA 1000
Oppo BDP 95
Von Schweikert VR4 Jr R/L Fronts
Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
Totem Mask Surrounds X4
Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
Sony PS3
Squeezebox Touch
Polk Atrium 7s on the patio just to keep my foot in the door. -
Glad you are digging it......now go get some vinyl!!
BTW: I think the VPI was a wise investment. The Scout is a much raved about machine and really puts upgrading out of the question until you start thinking about paying as much as a decent used car for a table. Plus, I like VPI because you can just set it and forget it.
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wingnut4772 wrote: »I think (so far) it more than competes with digital. It surpasses it.
You obviously, haven't heard good digital.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Back Into The Coffin!!! You Will Turn To Dust At This Time Of Day!!!I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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I am thinking he has developed a super sun block..........
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Back Into The Coffin!!! You Will Turn To Dust At This Time Of Day!!!
Bite me.
Looks like Ricardo is another that hasn't heard good digital.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
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I've heard "good digital". It competes nicely with high quality vinyl.
madmaxVinyl, the final frontier...
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What am I missing here? Is anybody else feeling as guilty as me? I don't know it's just too easy to put a CD on & here it's wonderful soothing sound.
But I hear you guys constatly griping about this not working right, this isn't level, I need a better cartridge, I need to upgrade my tonearm. The one I like best though is having to drag out the vacuum cleaner & do a Voodoo ritual to clean the damn record before it can sound decent. I feel guilty I tell ya!! All that free time I actually have to listen to music instead of the time spent just getting the record ready.
After a bad day there's nothing like reading thru all the TT threads & getting a good laugh. I really have to thank you guys/ gals for that. Now don't forget to break out the level, plug in the vacuum, dust the platform, check the needle, reset the tonearm, sit you butt on the record to flatten it (oh I forgot, there's a machine you're all chipping in for that does that.....Please!!!) what else is there before you actually hear any music? I'm feeling guilty I tell ya!!! "2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
