Well, I hope you guys are happy now....

jimmyzen

hearingimpared wrote: »

I'm not buying what you are selling as far as "a drop of soap." Soap, any kind, leaves residue plus your drying method would leave me to believe that there is still dirt and / or residue in the grooves. There is only one chemical cleaning agent that I know of that one can let air dry and be sure no residue is left.

Plus you can get a good used vacuum system on epay or the gon for less than the dozen pieces of music you purchase in a month. Besides this thread was about Darla's new found love. . . let's leave it that way.

Forgive me Oh Sacred One for thinking this was a conversation!

F1nut

Nope, you're wrong. BDT's analogy was spot on.

TroyD

It's not a bad analogy at all. Sprinkle some dirt on a uneven surface. First try sweeping it away. Then try rinsing it away. Last try sucking it up with a vacuum cleaner. Which works best? Come on, it's common sense. We aren't trying to split the atom. I agree that there is a LOT of snake oil in the world of audio. However, in the grand scheme an LP vacuum machine isn't all that expensive. You can get a basic one for less than 150 bucks. The VPI 16.5 is under 500 new...STILL not a lot of coin. Plus, there are a LOT of satisfied customers. You, apparently, have not used one so, yes, compared to someone who has (and also done the other methods)...you are talking out of your zorch. It's not being a snob, empirically, I am right and you are not.

As far as the rest of it, I'm clearly not rankled, however, if I have something to say, I don't mince words about it. I didn't say you didn't have anything to offer and I clearly didn't say anything about your gear. Your other comments really, IMO, didn't have much to do with the spirit of the thread so, yeah, it appears to me that you are dicking it up. No big deal, we all do it.

Chalk it up to a misunderstanding, let's press on.

BTW: I've got less than 6K in my main rig. NANNER NANNER NANNER!

BDT

hearingimpared

jimmyzen wrote: »

Forgive me Oh Sacred One for thinking this was a conversation!

You are forgiven my son, just don't do it again!

Hmmm so it's just a conversation when you are spewing at us and lecturing us but when someone contradicts you, you throw sarcasm into the mix.

cfrizz

Ok fellas. Why doesn't everyone put thier egos back into thier cages & get back to giving congrats to Darla's new turntable.

This thread has taken a nasty turn downhill.

madmax

Dynamat should do the trick if your cover makes noise.
madmax

shack

I've just given up on all the "psudo music formats" and have invited a bunch of unemployed musicians to come live with us in exchange for making music. NO more cleaning vinyl and NO more sterile digital sound. Just pure music.

On the downside, they tend to eat and drink a lot and are pretty messy.

cfrizz

:eek: :eek: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!:D

Sheesh some of you guys just DON'T know the meaning of going to extremes!:eek:

Shack certainly you could have found a less messy & less expensive compromise. Couldn't you???:eek: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

shack wrote: »

I've just given up on all the "psudo music formats" and have invited a bunch of unemployed musicians to come live with us in exchange for making music. NO more cleaning vinyl and NO more sterile digital sound. Just pure music.

On the downside, they tend to eat and drink a lot and are pretty messy.

wingnut4772

Ok. Let's get back on course....


MY VPI SCOUT ROCKS!!!!







Carry on.

madmax

I'm very happy to see you upgraded to something like a Scout. Much better than the entry level stuff and should keep you happy for a long long time with no upgrades, maybe even 6 months.
madmax

wingnut4772

madmax wrote: »

I'm very happy to see you upgraded to something like a Scout. Much better than the entry level stuff and should keep you happy for a long long time with no upgrades, maybe even 6 months.
madmax

I think it will have to last me longer than that. No more money.:(

Today I got my Bugtussel cleaner, my Musical Fidelity Super Duper Ridiculously Deep Cleaner and the Jazz at the Pawnshop LP.

madmax

Be sure to use the standard cleaner after using the super deep cleaner. The super deep cleaner is somewhat harsh and is meant to clean off mold release. If you listen closely you will notice the sound is not quite as smooth after using it.
madmax

wingnut4772

madmax wrote: »

Be sure to use the standard cleaner after using the super deep cleaner. The super deep cleaner is somewhat harsh and is meant to clean off mold release. If you listen closely you will notice the sound is not quite as smooth after using it.
madmax

Is that a bad thing?

hearingimpared

wingnut4772 wrote: »

Is that a bad thing?

No it's not a bad thing. It just needs to be removed thoroughly. Use MFSL Super record wash and/or VPI record cleaning fluid afterwards. What madmax is saying is that if you just use the Super deep cleaner, it leaves a residue which is audible if not washed off.:)

wingnut4772

hearingimpared wrote: »

No it's not a bad thing. It just needs to be removed thoroughly. Use MFSL Super record wash and/or VPI record cleaning fluid afterwards. What madmax is saying is that if you just use the Super deep cleaner, it leaves a residue which is audible if not washed off.:)

I thought so. Just making sure.

sona wrote:

If I had to stop to flip a record every 20 minutes, I would get nothing done. (Actually I'm getting nothing done now...) I don't think I have the space for vinyl either. I've ripped many of our CD's, but I still haven't worked up the courage to jettison them entirely for some reason. Sometimes tangible is better.

It's a purposeful endeavor that is for sure.


I got my Amy Winehouse LP today and I have to say it sounds crappy. Not at all like the Norah LP which is terrific.


As an aside; Recently I sent in my tweeters to Von Schweikert because I was hearing distortion that I had not previously heard with my music. It turned out that they were ok but I am still hearing it on some stuff. It seems that the busier or 'noisier' the music the more I notice it. Same amps, same source. The pre is new but they do it with a different pre as well.

hearingimpared

wingnut4772 wrote: »

I got my Amy Winehouse LP today and I have to say it sounds crappy. Not at all like the Norah LP which is terrific.

Just like any other format there are really good recordings then there are really bad. One example of LPs I can give is; Jethro Tull, "Aqualung" vs. "Benefit." "Aqualung" sounds great, "Benefit" is so compressed that the great music on it is hard to sit through.

I just recently listened to the CD of Ziggy Stardust. The bass was thin and it was so harsh sounding that it hurt my ears. I got the SACD and it sounded awesome, the same with the LP.

madmax

hearingimpared wrote: »

No it's not a bad thing. It just needs to be removed thoroughly. Use MFSL Super record wash and/or VPI record cleaning fluid afterwards. What madmax is saying is that if you just use the Super deep cleaner, it leaves a residue which is audible if not washed off.:)

Yes, I meant to remove the super deep cleaner thoroughly and clean with the super record wash. It is my understanding the super deep alone will make the cuts in the groove brittle over time if not removed and re-cleaned. Read it somewhere, not sure where, not sure how accurate.

wingnut4772

madmax wrote: »

Yes, I meant to remove the super deep cleaner thoroughly and clean with the super record wash. It is my understanding the super deep alone will make the cuts in the groove brittle over time if not removed and re-cleaned. Read it somewhere, not sure where, not sure how accurate.

Ooooh. Not so good.

hearingimpared

wingnut4772 wrote: »

Ooooh. Not so good.

If you read that post I sent you about my cleaning method, you will notice that I use a different brush to apply the Super Deep than the Record Wash and VPI cleaner.

I also use a different vacuum tube to remove them but I think I'm just being either very anal or very thorough, it depends on your outlook.:eek:

wingnut4772

hearingimpared wrote: »

If you read that post I sent you about my cleaning method, you will notice that I use a different brush to apply the Super Deep than the Record Wash and VPI cleaner.

I also use a different vacuum tube to remove them but I think I'm just being either very anal or very thorough, it depends on your outlook.:eek:

Yes you did. I will just rinse off mine.

Early B.

wingnut4772 wrote: »

As an aside; Recently I sent in my tweeters to Von Schweikert because I was hearing distortion that I had not previously heard with my music. It turned out that they were ok but I am still hearing it on some stuff. It seems that the busier or 'noisier' the music the more I notice it. Same amps, same source. The pre is new but they do it with a different pre as well.

Are you certain it's the speakers? Have you tried a different pair of speakers on the same amp and source? Have you switched out IC's and speaker cables? Have you removed the power conditioner?

wingnut4772

Early B. wrote: »

Are you certain it's the speakers? Have you tried a different pair of speakers on the same amp and source? Have you switched out IC's and speaker cables? Have you removed the power conditioner?

Yes. All but the cabling.

I started a thread so as not to derail this one.

My Speakers are Perplexing Me

hearingimpared

Just to add a little more into the mix here is a thread by Ken S. concerning a cleaning fluid that he came up with.

This is the email he sent me with the pertenant information:

Hello Joe,
I have found a cleaner that works very well. There are two chemicals made by Tergitol one is 15-S-3 and the other is 15-S-9 and they can be bought from www.talasonline.com. This is a library supply company and they are very responsive. You would mix two tablespoons of each chemical into a gallon of distilled water. I usually rinse the record, after cleaning, with a distilled water rinse, you could also use the general, every-day rinse made by Record Doctor. This would give you enough basic material to last many years.
Enjoy, Ken

Unfortunately when I purchased my VPI 16.5 last year I also purchased enough cleaning fluid and buggtussel juice to last a couple of years. I plan on checking Ken's stuff out when I get low on what I currently have. That is why I still have his email saved up.:)

dorokusai

I use Ken's fluid when I have records handy. It worked better than the VPI stuff that came with the table. YMMV.

mulveling

Yay, congarts on discovering vinyl, Darla! See, further proof that it's equally appealing to young people without the benefit of vintage record collections

Double congrats on the Scout, that should see you through many years of fine service. I always heard and hated digititis, but I didn't know it could be completely eliminated until I heard good vinyl. I've been through several fine digital players but none of them ever offered the total package like my TT does. I now enjoy more music, more thoroughly Most of my experience has heavily favored the LP version over CD; hope that hold true for you as well in the long run.

FYI I just run one pass of the TTVJ Gold Zyme per side on my VPI cleaner; then it's good for dozens of plays. No complaints here!

jm1

hearingimpared wrote: »

Just to add a little more into the mix here is a thread by Ken S. concerning a cleaning fluid that he came up with.

This is the email he sent me with the pertenant information:



Unfortunately when I purchased my VPI 16.5 last year I also purchased enough cleaning fluid and buggtussel juice to last a couple of years. I plan on checking Ken's stuff out when I get low on what I currently have. That is why I still have his email saved up.:)

Hey Joe,

I purchased a quart each of this stuff. At this rate of usage, I will have enough left over for a lifetime. Let me know if you want some. I will try to find some little containers and send some your way. PM if interested.

hearingimpared

Darla I foresee these upgrades to your Scout in the near future!:D :cool:

wingnut4772

hearingimpared wrote: »

Darla I foresee these upgrades to your Scout in the near future!:D :cool:

let's see...where did I leave that masking tape again....?:D

jm1

wingnut4772 wrote: »

let's see...where did I leave that masking tape again....?:D

I hope you never need to resort to an interim solution like this with your Scout. Enjoy the TT; its definitely a keeper. Don't be afraid of mounting a better cartridge on it one day.

hearingimpared

jm1 wrote: »

Don't be afraid of mounting a better cartridge on it one day.

MUUUUUHOOOOHAAAAAA!!!:eek: