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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited September 2007
    Sometimes I hear a lot of crackles and pops after re-setting up my table. I just re-do it and it goes away. Not sure what causes it.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    madmax wrote: »
    Sometimes I hear a lot of crackles and pops after re-setting up my table. I just re-do it and it goes away. Not sure what causes it.

    The zenith I'm telling you!!! It causes the stylus to run kinda sideways in the groove.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited September 2007
    It's actually probably MORE important to clean a new LP because of all the gunk associated with the manufacturing process.

    Second, do NOT use soap on an LP. Soap leaves residue.......

    I've used the ALSOP (sp) that stereophile raved about, record doctor and one other system....none of them compares to the VPI. Don't dick around and get the VPI. Throw away the brush that comes with the VPI and use an MFSL brush. The rest of them just pushes most of the crap in the grooves around but doesn't remove them.

    Vacuum clean it, THEN before putting the stylus to it, I run the Hunt or MFSL brush over it as it rotates to get the static charge off it (THAT could be an issue too).

    Now, we've got to make sure the stylus is clean too.....I use the Onzow zerodust, others report good results just using a bit of the Magic Eraser by Mr. Clean.


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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    I second the Onzow Zerodust and Hunt brush. You can get the Hunt brush for like 10 to 15 bucks from Todd the Vinyl junky .com. The Onzow, you can get from Sorasound at a discount. If you can get someone to buy a second one with you, you will get an even deeper discount from Sorasound.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited September 2007
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    The zenith I'm telling you!!! It causes the stylus to run kinda sideways in the groove.



    i think it's called azimuth when the needle doesn't sit in the groove straight up and down. It takes some tweaking to get it right.. but usually if the azimuth is off.. it doesn't account for the crackles and pops.

    crackles and pop usually mean dirt/dust on the album.
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,497
    edited September 2007
    Azimuth is the stylus rotated from 90 degrees vertical to the groove when the cartridge is viewed from the front.

    Zenith refers to the horizontal rotation of the stylus relative to the groove path. In other words, the cantilever may not be parallel to the cartridge body. If you align the cartridge using the sides of the cartridge body against the lines on the protractor, and the cantilever is not parallel to the sides of the cartridge, your zenith will be off. IIRC, that also causes phase shift.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited September 2007
    yes yes yes, although DB you get 3 dermerits for the try a new record idea for non-thread reading...........:D ;)

    I think Darla just wants to hear some music.

    Hopefully, she will be listening contently this evening.

    azimuth, zenith, flux capacitor.......

    RT1
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited September 2007
    RT1 i know she's playing a brand new record.. i should have said.. try a different record.. as someone mentioned earlier as well.. ;)

    i'm really curious as to why Darla is getting so much pops and crackles from her new TT.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited September 2007
    I usually just press down on the cartridge head until the music sounds better, or the record stops rotating.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited September 2007
    Off to the dealer....
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited September 2007
    sorry it comes to that Darla, but maybe there is something seriously wrong with the TT. Take your album with you so they can play it while there.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    danger boy wrote: »
    i think it's called azimuth when the needle doesn't sit in the groove straight up and down. It takes some tweaking to get it right.. but usually if the azimuth is off.. it doesn't account for the crackles and pops.

    crackles and pop usually mean dirt/dust on the album.

    Al think of the azimuth as the stylus setting perpendicular to the record grooves. If the azimuth is off you will have one side of the stylus leaning less that 90 degrees thus causing more cross-talk between channels.

    The zenith is as if the cantilever is almost parellel with the grooves. If the cantilever is not lined up correctly, it will be like the stylus is riding the grooves sideways, however slightly and this would definitely cause lots of noise.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I usually just press down on the cartridge head until the music sounds better, or the record stops rotating.

    That how I cut new records with my manual lathe.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited September 2007
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I usually just press down on the cartridge head until the music sounds better, or the record stops rotating.

    I find a Buffalo Head nickel with a wheat penny is the ticket.:eek: Make sure its a buffalo head though the jefferson head wont work......

    RT1
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited September 2007
    OK. I got there and played Norah for him. Then we cleaned her up and she sounded good......but she sounds even better on the VPI Scout I brought home.:D :p:D:p:D
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  • billbillw
    billbillw Posts: 6,766
    edited September 2007
    wingnut4772 wrote: »
    OK. I got there and played Norah for him. Then we cleaned her up and she sounded good......but she sounds even better on the VPI Scout I brought home.:D :p:D:p:D

    Your totally addicted! Next comes the phono stage upgrade, better cartridge, tons invested in vinyl, new sleeves after cleaning (always!!!!)
    Oh yeah, VPI RULES!
    Enjoy!
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  • jimmyzen
    jimmyzen Posts: 57
    edited September 2007
    cmy330go wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised if it's essentially the same circuitry. When I bought my Halo P3 I contacted Parasound to ask them if I was better off using my older Parasound PPH-100 or the integrated phono stage. They recommended the PPH-100, but only because it would be isolated. Turns out it was the same design. Who knew.:rolleyes:


    I swapped out my old Audio Technica cartridge for the Benz jobbie listed in my signature. After getting everything wired together I found the volume level with my Halo P3 was quite less with the phono input than that of any other component at a given setting. Where a displayed output level of 35 on the P3 was a comfortable volume level with the other components, the phono side needed 65 - 70 for the same volume level. I wish I'd have tried the A-T first. The Benz vendor said that wasn't uncommon, no big deal, just turn it up. Well, it wouldn't go loud enough where I could feel the bass pounding my chest like a sledge hammer. I wasn't happy with that so I bought a Vincent Audio phono pre amp and used an aux. input on the P3 and it's at the same output level as everything else. Life is good. It never occurred to me that the P3 may actually have a problem in the phono stage...

    I still have my vinyl collection and thanks to eBay I have replaced every long gone LP that provided the soundtrack to my misspent youth. And lots of other cool stuff, too. It's also a reminder that the entertainment industry will never get me to buy -and I do mean BUY- into another media format again.
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited September 2007
    This sounds so beautiful. I am in Norah heaven. I could swear she was singing right in my living room. Even my roommate is smitten.

    One thing I notice between the Rega P2 and the VPI (pop snafu aside) is the VPI's bass is much better - more balanced and natural. I haven't the slightest idea why as I son't really know how these things work. I am using the same Dynavector cartridge. I am hooked. This is heaven. I gotta tell you..the Cinenova amp is doing justice as well. I am surprised.

    I am really glad I decided to bring home the Scout. What a beauty.
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  • jimmyzen
    jimmyzen Posts: 57
    edited September 2007
    shack wrote: »
    Another decent affordable vinyl cleaning machine is the Record Doctor III from Audio Advisor. Basically a Nitty Gritty privately branded and a little cheaper. I got one when it was on sale for around $200. I looked at the basic one from KAB (also a Nitty Gritty design) but didn't want to fool with a separate vacuum and it was worth a little more to have an all-in-one machine.

    Here is the link:

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NGRD3

    Back when vinyl was the only media format I listened to if I felt the need to have to clean an LP I would use a couple gallons of warmed up distilled water with a few drops of a mild detergent mixed in. I'd use a rectangular plastic tub as a sink. I'd use a soft, new dust cloth similar to the kind used to clean eye glass lenses. I'd wash and rinse the record like a plate. handled much gentler, of course and I'd try not to get the label wet. The whole operation only cost a couple of bucks. there was even an article in an audio magazine I recall reading once that said that if necessary, cleaning an LP was best done like I was doing it. I still have many of those same LPs, some going on 30 and 40 years old and they still play fine. Actually, except for a roommate I had who would handle things with peanut butter and jelly or other food residue on his fingers I don't ever recall a record ever really needing washed. I kept them in their sleeves until I played them, always touched only the edges, always used a Discwasher and the cleaning solution before playing, and kept the dust cover down on the turntable. I really don't get the whole high-end record washer thing.

    Does anybody remember the Ronco Record Vac commercial that used to run on TV? The pitchman was talking about how real audiophiles appreciated such a quality product. As he walked and extolled the virtues of their product he's holding an LP along his side, swinging his arm back and forth, like it was a Frisbee. He walks up to this contraption and drops the record into it like a slice of bread into a toaster. The record is on edge spinning in this thing, wobbling back and forth. Then he reaches down and snatches it out while it's still spinning, grabbing it in the middle of the playing surface again. Audiophile indeed!!!
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  • jimmyzen
    jimmyzen Posts: 57
    edited September 2007
    wingnut4772 wrote: »
    Ok. I am obviously doing something wrong. I put in my Brand New Norah Jones Album and I am hearing a whole bunch of snap cracle pop. I cleaned it with the brush and the stylus with the cleaner and it's way worse. It's so annoying and frustrating because if it were not for that it would sound so good.

    I know that there are pressings where the vinyl itself is crappy. I have some audiophile LPs that turn translucent held up to a light.
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    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 AM/FM Tuner
    Grant Audio Tube Buffer
    ADC Sound Shaper II IC Graphic Equalizer
    Polk XRT12 XM Satellite Radio Receiver
    2 Carver TFM 35x Power Amps
    Harmon Kardon T45 Turntable w\ Benz MC 20E Phono Cartridge
    Vincent Phono Preamp (not enough gain in the Parasound Phono In)
    Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD Player
    Nakamichi BX300 Cassette Deck
    Polk RTi 12 Main Speakers
    2 Polk PSW 1000 Subwoofers
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  • jimmyzen
    jimmyzen Posts: 57
    edited September 2007
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I usually just press down on the cartridge head until the music sounds better, or the record stops rotating.

    Quarters work well.:D
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    Parasound Halo P3 Preamp
    Parasound Halo T3 AM/FM Tuner
    Grant Audio Tube Buffer
    ADC Sound Shaper II IC Graphic Equalizer
    Polk XRT12 XM Satellite Radio Receiver
    2 Carver TFM 35x Power Amps
    Harmon Kardon T45 Turntable w\ Benz MC 20E Phono Cartridge
    Vincent Phono Preamp (not enough gain in the Parasound Phono In)
    Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD Player
    Nakamichi BX300 Cassette Deck
    Polk RTi 12 Main Speakers
    2 Polk PSW 1000 Subwoofers
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    wingnut4772 wrote: »
    OK. I got there and played Norah for him. Then we cleaned her up and she sounded good......but she sounds even better on the VPI Scout I brought home.:D :p:D:p:D

    Now that's what I'm talking about . . . HOOKED!!! You just stepped up into the real world Darla!!! Which arm did you get? Which cartridge did you get? Tell me more, tell me more!!!:cool: :cool: :cool:
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  • wingnut4772
    wingnut4772 Posts: 7,519
    edited September 2007
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Now that's what I'm talking about . . . HOOKED!!! You just stepped up into the real world Darla!!! Which arm did you get? Which cartridge did you get? Tell me more, tell me more!!!:cool: :cool: :cool:

    It came with the Memorial tonearm and I just kept the Dynavector 10X5 cartridge. :)
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    Von Schweikert LCR 4 Center
    Totem Mask Surrounds X4
    Hsu ULS-15 Quad Drive Subwoofers
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited September 2007
    Again, whatever works for you, however, it's my experience, and I've done the handwashing thing, there is NO substitute for vacuum cleaning an LP. None.

    Think about your rug, would you be satisfied with just sweeping it over the long haul as opposed to a vacuum cleaner?

    BDT
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited September 2007
    pics Darla we need pics. ;)

    congrats on the new turntable..

    so what did they determine was causing the pops with the other turntable? dirty record or something more serious?
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    jimmyzen wrote: »
    and kept the dust cover down on the turntable.

    I hope you don't mean you keep the dust cover down while playing a record. This is not a good practice. It will not hurt anything but it will sure lound lousy.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2007
    wingnut4772 wrote: »
    It came with the Memorial tonearm

    The 9, 10 or 12?
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited September 2007
    jimmyzen wrote: »
    ....It never occurred to me that the P3 may actually have a problem in the phono stage...

    I highly doubt anything is wrong with the phono stage in your preamp. That cartridge you have only has an output of 2.2mv. That's fairly strong for a MC cartridge, but a little weak to run on a phono stage that is really designed more to run MM cartridges. When I used to run my Goldring Eroica (2.5mv) into my P3 I used to run right around 60 on the dial as well.
    HT
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited September 2007
    wingnut4772 wrote: »
    OK. I got there and played Norah for him. Then we cleaned her up and she sounded good......but she sounds even better on the VPI Scout I brought home.:D :p:D:p:D

    Wow!!! Only lasted a few days! Now that's a big upgrade bug!

    Congrats! You've got a table that will run with the big dogs now. But you're in for more trouble though. Your phono stage is a pretty big bottle neck now. I'll bet you're already itchin'!:rolleyes:
    HT
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    2 CH
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,557
    edited September 2007
    It's also a reminder that the entertainment industry will never get me to buy -and I do mean BUY- into another media format again.

    That's a very narrow minded view point and you have no idea what you're missing. Even though I don't own, nor want to own vinyl any longer, I do realize and appreciate that it is just one of a few worthwhile formats available to us today.

    I also know without a doubt that a good vinyl vacuum cleaning machine is an absolute must have, if one is to get the best out of that format.
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