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Question. I've seen many brands of tubes mentioned on CP. Never seen this brand. Was this a company that just re-branded other mfg. tubes and sold them under their company name?
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aprazer402 wrote: »Question. I've seen many brands of tubes mentioned on CP. Never seen this brand. Was this a company that just re-branded other mfg. tubes and sold them under their company name?
Because they're most likely rebrands. Sometimes, the rebrands were excellent tubes, usually not, though.
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Thanks, that was my first guess. Did a little browsing. Several similar companies existed in the past. Some obtained seconds, washed off the original brand and put on their own. Back in the day, In NJ, "obtained" may be a correct word choice.
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aprazer402 wrote: »Thanks, that was my first guess. Did a little browsing. Several similar companies existed in the past. Some obtained seconds, washed off the original brand and put on their own. Back in the day, In NJ, "obtained" may be a correct word choice.
Not exactly some of the big tube companies made tube for others. You need to look at tube codes, it may say "realistic" or "Rogers" etc but the tube code number will absolutely tell you who manufactured the tube. 322= Tung-Sol 188= GE 337= Westinghouse etc.etc. then look at the internal structure of tube some are dead giveaways. type of getter and other things.
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aprazer402 wrote: »Thanks, that was my first guess. Did a little browsing. Several similar companies existed in the past. Some obtained seconds, washed off the original brand and put on their own. Back in the day, In NJ, "obtained" may be a correct word choice.
Not exactly some of the big tube companies made tube for others. You need to look at tube codes, it may say "realistic" or "Rogers" etc but the tube code number will absolutely tell you who manufactured the tube. 322= Tung-Sol 188= GE 337= Westinghouse etc.etc. then look at the internal structure of tube some are dead giveaways. type of getter and other things.
Rad-Tel never made tubes
I agree Rad-Tel never made tubes of their own. I had just read that some tube companies like Rad-Tel, back in the 40-50's bought tubes, either seconds or not, and some removed (washed off) the orig. mfg. name and re-branded them themselves. Rather than GE, RCA, Westinghouse... selling their own tubes, rebranded i.e.: labeled Realistic to Radio Shack... -
yes, all sorts of skulduggery in the electronics 'aftermarket', then as now.
The funny thing is, the off-brands can work both ways. One of the local gurus told of picking up some NOS, NIB "International Servicemaster" branded 2A3s for chump change... in the box? Rebranded RCAs.
(random, borrowed image for illustrative purposes only)
As to the EIA manufacturer numbers (which should indeed be on proper "OEM" Amurrican tubes, but will be lost on "washed"* tubes), an EIA code list is invaluable (which is not a synonym for worthless
) when playin' the vintage hifi game.
Here's the best one that I know of. In case any of you weren't aware of this/these.
http://www.audiophool.com/Misc/EIAcodes1961.pdf
Here's a nice little primer in the realm of speaker (driver) codes, too, while I am at it.
https://www.tedweber.com/speaker-codes-application/
sorry for the digression
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* Some tube manufacturers used 'delicate' print on their tubes so that unscrupulous repairpersonages couldn't just take an old, pulled tube ('plinker') and clean it up with water or Windex, then sell it as new to an unsuspecting customer. Those of us who rehab decades-old, grungy vacuum tube hardware have learned to clean such tubes very gently indeed.
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"Legitimate" rebranded tubes were often labeled with the brand name of the component in which they were installed (e.g., Airline, Silvertone, Magnavox, harman/kardon, Fisher, etc.). Some companies played on both sides of the fence (Zenith, Sylvania, and, of course, RCA and GE, e.g.).
It was also not particularly uncommon to see rebranded tubes branded with the names of 'big' tube manufacturers -- especially late in the tube era. For example, I have "RCA" branded 6922s that are clearly labeled "Made in Holland" -- and not made by RCA in Holland
Here's a 'rebrand' --- these gorgeous (yes, I am biased) "Westinghouse" 5692s are RCAs.
Westies closeup by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
(borrowed image, of course!)
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Sabreliner Move by Baltimore Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport, on Flickr
I enjoyed these photos, from BWI (Baltimore-Washington/Thurgood Marshall International Airport) on Flikr... they moved an old Sabreliner jet from the airport (or nearby, maybe from Northrop-Grumman, the old Westinghouse) to the nearby Electronics Museum (a place I wouldn't mind seeing someday)...
here's the 'album' from which the photo above was borrowed:
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These are another nice rebrand.
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Old and new NSX. Drool.
afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
Village Idiot of Club Polk -
afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »yes, all sorts of skulduggery in the electronics 'aftermarket', then as now.
The funny thing is, the off-brands can work both ways. One of the local gurus told of picking up some NOS, NIB "International Servicemaster" branded 2A3s for chump change... in the box? Rebranded RCAs.
(random, borrowed image for illustrative purposes only)
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Mullard made some for servicemaster as well
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Wow. This thing works.
Amazing.
Here's my three word review of the Audioquest Niagara 1200:
Worth every penny. -
Yep^
All you naysayers out there, AQ power is legit **** -
Walter got a new outfit today!
Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Antique Sound Labs AV8 Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Garage #1: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
Garage #2: Cambridge Audio EVO150 Integrated Amplifier, Polk L200's, Analysis Plus Silver Oval 2 Speaker Cables, IC's TBD. -
I finished! Kind of...
Built the upper, lower, and installed traditional shiplap. Painted the walls today. Just need hooks. Then I start framing for my 1,200sqft basement. Yay!Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!! -
I finished! Kind of...
Built the upper, lower, and installed traditional shiplap. Painted the walls today. Just need hooks. Then I start framing for my 1,200sqft basement. Yay!
Nice! The "Frogtape" really makes it pop.
No, in all seriousness -- looks fantastic! Deserving of a better class of mud than are most folks' mudrooms.
I am envious.
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I'm curious how the EMI meter reads the before and after with your new toy! Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Antique Sound Labs AV8 Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Garage #1: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
Garage #2: Cambridge Audio EVO150 Integrated Amplifier, Polk L200's, Analysis Plus Silver Oval 2 Speaker Cables, IC's TBD. -
My son's African mantis having lunch . -
I finished! Kind of...
Built the upper, lower, and installed traditional shiplap. Painted the walls today. Just need hooks. Then I start framing for my 1,200sqft basement. Yay!
Great job - close to the kind of stuff we do -
I'm curious how the EMI meter reads the before and after with your new toy!
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Tell that to my ex-wife. :'( -
EDIT:
1) this is not a response to any of the previous posts (not even @Viking64's)
2) the image might make a good badge*; @hermitism?
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* even if it would might be impractical to photoshop in @lightman1's... umm... puss... onto that puss's puss.
(we'll see how Vanilla feels about the word p-u-ss. None too sanguine, I suspect.)
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Kool picture done entirely with matchbooks!
MIT Magnum MH-750, Monster HTS 5100MKII, Sony 77" Class - A80CJ Series - 4K UHD OLED,PS4, Def Tech 15” sub,LSIM 706c, Sunfire Signature Grand 425 x 4,Parasound hca 120, LSiM 702 x 4, Oppo 103D, SDA SRS 1.2, Pioneer Elite SC63 , Pioneer Elite BDP-05 “Why did you get married if you wanted big speakers?” -
Neat-o.Kool picture done entirely with matchbooks!
Whoever made that should display it with a copy of the cover art from Pete Townshend & Ronnie Lane's album, Rough Mix -- the cover of which was a montage of cigarette cards from the England of days gone by.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »
Don't remember cigarette cards in England - maybe were before I started the evil habit. I think a lot of the cards on the Rough Mix cover are "tea cards", which came in, errr, packets of tea. Trading cards came with other things as well like bubble gum and various sweets (candy).
The other theme on this cover is that the "Rough Mix" title in the top left hand corner is in pretty much the same font as Rizla rolling papers, and the yellow area the same shape as the pack. -
All I can say (bein' a Yank and all) is that I remember a reference to the cover's being a collage of "cigarette cards" in a contemporary review (which I am still seeking in the annals of https://www.americanradiohistory.com/index.htm).
I did find this -- but it's a modern reference and can't really be fact-checked for accuracy
https://www.collectorsmusicreviews.com/clapton-eric/pete-townshend-and-ronnie-lane-unsurpassed-masters-rough-mixes-audiofon-af19/The covers are rather splendid – featuring the original, unadorned U.K. sleeve featuring various vintage cigarette cards of the kind that might be framed & displayed in a local hostelry. With Audiofon’s newly used casual font adorning the track listing on the back along with the familial picture of Pete & Ronnie sat back to back on a tree stump – this also appears in a larger size in the case back. Liner notes are amended & uncredited from the excellent Lostgrooves blog adding a small addendum at the end for the specific details of this disk. The only gripe would be the spelling of the ‘Stones drummers name – Who is ‘Charly Watts’?
I also note a reference to cigarette cards in Tom Robinson's song 1967 (So Long Ago) as performed on The Secret Policeman's Ball (The Music) -- an album dating from about the same era as Rough Mix and also featuring a trio of absolutely superb, gossamer Pete Townshend acoustic performances.
https://youtu.be/eplo-8F1el8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_card
Oh, and... finally... Rough Mix is a magnificent album, in a way that one would never have expected from Big T (unless one were very familiar with his other early solo work and the influence of Meher Baba in his life, especially in those days). It sounds really good, too.
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Don't break your fingers Googling - it is very likely to be my memory, And yes, Rough Mix is an excellent album - one of my favourites. I think it may be one of the few albums I have on vinyl, cassette and CD!
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So I did the Googling. Turns out that British cigarette cards died out after WWII, which is why I don't remember them. Looking at the age of some of the images, they probably are pre-war cigarette cards. I guess I just grew up knowing those little cards as tea cards.
cigarettecards.co.uk/intro.htm
