CABLE TALK??

motorstereo

ptrooper wrote: »

They will be replaced with shotguns in the future

Now you're talking. These MH750's just arrived yesterday to replace my Terminator 4's. To me it's money well spent on yet another upgrade.

ptrooper

Noice,you should hear a big difference there.Please let me know what you think during and after burn in!
Im going to replace my transparent reference mm2 rca with reference xl mm2 balanced to the main rig in the very near future...exciting stuff,gets the heart rate up and a little woody always.

kharp1

HAHAHAHAHA, WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS!!! Wire is wire is wire. I bought my Wirewirld SIlver Equinox because I thought the outside casing thing was cool. Plus, if times get tight I can melt the wire down and sell the silver. SUCKERS!!!

halo

Upstatemax wrote: »

The whole cable debate will never go away. It's simply not in the human condition for everyone to see eye to eye on this, or even discuss it in a civil manner most of the time.

Between; ignorance, jealousy, personal economic standing, value perception and flat out refusal to learn this will always be a circular event.

So, the chances for world peace are looking pretty slim

https://youtu.be/3st-Hai1y54

kharp1

halo wrote: »

Upstatemax wrote: »

The whole cable debate will never go away. It's simply not in the human condition for everyone to see eye to eye on this, or even discuss it in a civil manner most of the time.

Between; ignorance, jealousy, personal economic standing, value perception and flat out refusal to learn this will always be a circular event.

So, the chances for world peace are looking pretty slim

https://youtu.be/3st-Hai1y54

God, I want to be punished by her!

mhardy6647

lightman1 wrote: »

I spent about $16 on cables....all of them.

Many of mine were from the swap pile at the Harvard (MA) town dump.
In fact, I decommissioned my foundling Monstrous cables some time back 'cause all y'all made fun of them.



DSC_0586 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

mhardy6647

Say, I just had a wry thought -- as hifi moves inexorably to wireless technologies, are their going to be high-end aether providers to improve the transmission of wifi signals?

tonyp063

Mark, that's a can o' worms you do *not* want to open.

TNTsTunes

What a way to screw up a good thread I was following for the discussion and debates that were occurring about the thread topic.

jeremymarcinko wrote: »

You see I haven’t debated cables at all, only what provokes one to argue. I am not seeing where my thinking is delusional at all. All I see is support for my original claim.

As a global moderator on a different forum this is what I would have to say about your above post and your previous posts.

Based upon your posting history in this thread, it seems like the goal was to start an Internet pissing match vs. good discussion/debate. We're not asking you to walk on egg shells when you post, just be mindful of why you're posting. Our goal is to foster fun, interesting, and sincere discussion, even if a little "spirited". Thanks for your cooperation.

jeremymarcinko wrote: »

Please I am not trolling at all. I don’t think I have been anything but respectful. Jesse is a big boy and it was his choice to respond to my post.

Right....

Nice try with your edit below you added to the above post, it doesn't change the picture you painted of yourself in your previous posts.... It didn't even make it prettier.

The original question was what makes a cable thread go south, was it not?

I answered that question. Jesse disagreed and commented that it’s always the naysayers. I think I was able to demonstrate that that isn’t always the case, we haven’t heard from the naysayers, and that my original post is more true than false.

And for the record I am in the camp who has heard differences in cable and believe that cables can and will tune ones system to their liking.

Nice avatar by the way it seems fitting for some reason.



Is it only me or is there a resemblance???




Can we please try to stay on topic some of us actually are interested in it.

I for one would like to see this thread continue without the bs. Thanks.

heiney9

Reminds me of the DSG vs. Manual transmission threads on a Volkswagen forum I frequent.

Electronically controlled dual clutch manual vs. a human controlled single clutch manual. Exactly the same type of attitudes and responses as the cable debates. I found it quite interesting how the template can be layed over either debate and it lines up pretty well.

TNTsTunes

heiney9 wrote: »

Reminds me of the DSG vs. Manual transmission threads on a Volkswagen forum I frequent.

Electronically controlled dual clutch manual vs. a human controlled single clutch manual. Exactly the same type of attitudes and responses as the cable debates. I found it quite interesting how the template can be layed over either debate and it lines up pretty well.

I'll pick an electronically shifted dual clutch manual transmission that requires a floor mounted clutch pedal for use in first gear personally.

TNTsTunes

I just want to figure out a good economical speaker cable to use. I agree that cable makes a difference but it seems the cost factor increases dramatically and the improvement doesn't change as exponentially.

heiney9

That's a fair question and most of us have found our sweet spot in cables by experimenting.

What do you feel comfortable paying? Not that wire quality is strictly dictated by $$. It follows for the most part, but like anything else there are excellent performers that punch higher than their typical price point.

Something on the cheaper side that is excellent for it's price is Canare Star Quad 4S11. Typically bare, unterminated wire. But if you go to the Blue Jeans Cable website they will sell it terminated with whatever.

Signal Cable has a couple great speaker cables as well as I/C's that perform well at their price point.

Check out our own Heliptodoug (Douglas Cables) he makes some great cables too at a variety of price points.

I personally have found my cables for life in MIT. They are spendy but are very much worth it (to the point I'm willing to pay), IMO.

kharp1

TNTsTunes wrote: »

I just want to figure out a good economical speaker cable to use. I agree that cable makes a difference but it seems the cost factor increases dramatically and the improvement doesn't change as exponentially.

Good points, not all wire/cables are proportional to price paid, and as Brock mentioned, they can get costly. Perhaps you could post area where you live and see if there is a member nearby. Maybe you could get together for a little wire sampling. Sometimes members have extra sets laying around that they may be willing to loan out to "well qualified individuals" as they say.

TNTsTunes

heiney9 wrote: »

That's a fair question and most of us have found our sweet spot in cables by experimenting.

What do you feel comfortable paying? Not that wire quality is strictly dictated by $$. It follows for the most part, but like anything else there are excellent performers that punch higher than their typical price point.

Something on the cheaper side that is excellent for it's price is Canare Star Quad 4S11. Typically bare, unterminated wire. But if you go to the Blue Jeans Cable website they will sell it terminated with whatever.

Signal Cable has a couple great speaker cables as well as I/C's that perform well at their price point.

Check out our own Heliptodoug (Douglas Cables) he makes some great cables too at a variety of price points.

I personally have found my cables for life in MIT. They are spendy but are very much worth it (to the point I'm willing to pay), IMO.

I recently added two more systems so now I have two 2.1 channel systems and two 2 channel systems. I have some lower end MIT interconnects in 2 of them the other two are a mixture of interconnects that I've acquired over the years. For speaker wires I have some Blue Jeans Canare 4S11 Cables and Belden 5000 cables, the others are using some twisted wires that came with some speakers and an unknown brand.

I do like the sound of MIT cables, I was one of the members who did the MIT cable exchange a few years ago. They were nice. My budget won't allow much higher end cables then what I have. Basically I will upgrade them one or two cables at a time and rotate the ones I have around as I replace the unknown ones. It's just going to take time.

Three of the systems have B&K amps, one has a Halo 5 pre w/2.3's, another has Parasound 2100 pre w/SRS 2's the third uses either CRS+'s, M7 series II's or SDA 2A's speakers along with a Sherbourn pre. The forth system has a Yamaha AVR and Energy speakers.

I still need room treatments too...

Tony M

I used to be a skeptic too. But when I switched my main speaker wire on a very nice system, I heard the difference. The newer ones brought out the mids and highs. I'm a little hard of hearing in the high tweeter range, but I heard it and those wires are still being used. I wanted to switch back to the old ones just to do it before I buy some RD194's but things have been sidetracked for a long time. But that's on the list for this year.

I don't have much money in these either. I also need to seriously upgrade my interconnects.

Now the "Interconnects" world of cables will explode nowadays. More than it's already been.

TNTsTunes

Tony M wrote: »

I used to be a skeptic too. But when I switched my main speaker wire on a very nice system, I heard the difference. The newer ones brought out the mids and highs. I'm a little hard of hearing in the high tweeter range, but I heard it and those wires are still being used. I wanted to switch back to the old ones just to do it before I buy some RD194's but things have been sidetracked for a long time. But that's on the list for this year.

I don't have much money in these either. I also need to seriously upgrade my interconnects.

Now the "Interconnects" world of cables will explode nowadays. More than it's already been.

I'm a little hard of hearing in the high tweeter range also. I like RDO's but I use somewhere between a .22ohm resistor to a jumper to replace the tweeter polyswitch. That way the tweeter runs a little more forward. It helps offset my hearing issue nicely, 198's sound great to me, some female voices just make me melt. 194's are still a nice improvement also.

tonyb

TNTsTunes wrote: »

I just want to figure out a good economical speaker cable to use. I agree that cable makes a difference but it seems the cost factor increases dramatically and the improvement doesn't change as exponentially.

Valid point Tim. Same can be said for speakers too or any other piece of gear. However, the cabling has to match up with the level of gear you have to get maximum results.

In other words, having 5k speaker cables on a set of Monitor 7's isn't going to net you great results. Extreme example but you get the point. The same works in the opposite direction, signal cable on 5k speakers won't grant you the ability to hear what those speakers can do.....everything is relative.

For the same reasons too that we upgrade cdp's or any other piece. There's always a perception of that weak link in ones system until you achieve the sound you like. Cabling is just another component, a piece of the puzzle, to get where you want to be sound wise.

Tony M

TNTsTunes wrote: »

Tony M wrote: »

I used to be a skeptic too. But when I switched my main speaker wire on a very nice system, I heard the difference. The newer ones brought out the mids and highs. I'm a little hard of hearing in the high tweeter range, but I heard it and those wires are still being used. I wanted to switch back to the old ones just to do it before I buy some RD194's but things have been sidetracked for a long time. But that's on the list for this year.

I don't have much money in these either. I also need to seriously upgrade my interconnects.

Now the "Interconnects" world of cables will explode nowadays. More than it's already been.

I'm a little hard of hearing in the high tweeter range also. I like RDO's but I use somewhere between a .22ohm resistor to a jumper to replace the tweeter polyswitch. That way the tweeter runs a little more forward. It helps offset my hearing issue nicely, 198's sound great to me, some female voices just make me melt. 194's are still a nice improvement also.

I've heard the RD-198's are the better tweeter but,

I've also read on here that I can't use them on my Blade-Blade SDA-SRS2's.

I've read where some guys wanted to try them anyway but never heard back from them on their threads. I missed a few years here, so maybe somebody has tried it anyway and left a response.

Maybe some more advice from some veterans on which ones to get. I have a feeling I'm going to hear get the RD-194's again. I replaced one pr. of SDA-SRS2's with RD-194's and after 40+ hours, they seems to sound better and brighter. Not as bright as the sl-2000's though. Female voices were a lot better though. Sibilance was greatly reduced!

Still, I'd love to try those RD-198's sometime in my life.

pitdogg2

RDO194 for the B/b. I believe inspiredsports did do the mod to use rdo198 but two board B/b speakers can be a lot of work to get it done.

Tony M

pitdogg2 wrote: »

RDO194 for the B/b. I believe inspiredsports did do the mod to use rdo198 but two board B/b speakers can be a lot of work to get it done.

Thanks.

That's what I was afraid of.

I don't want to invest a lot more than the tweeters and maybe the terminals on these. I have a pr. of Newform research R-645's that could use a cross-over upgrade for sure. They would be the ones I would do first if I get to that stage of getting back to spaciousness in the cave in a year or two.

I might spring for the rod-194's and switch out that part mentioned above to get back a little more high range for my semi-thick eardrum issues.

teekay0007

tonyb wrote: »

In other words, having 5k speaker cables on a set of Monitor 7's isn't going to net you great results.

Jeez, Tony, FIVE PAGES in and you tell me now? -calling the Cable Co. to cancel that Shunyata order!

ptrooper

Have you tried upgrading your components?

kharp1 wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHA, WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS!!! Wire is wire is wire. I bought my Wirewirld SIlver Equinox because I thought the outside casing thing was cool. Plus, if times get tight I can melt the wire down and sell the silver. SUCKERS!!!

kharp1

You think I'm kidding? I brought the wires in here to work and put them in a old dutch oven and ran them through the paint ovens till they were separated...looks like I'm getting about $50 for the metal. Who's the fool now???

kharp1

On a more serious, back on track note, I recently picked up a pair of Silnote Morpheus Reference II on the cheap off Audio Circle and was pleasantly and very surprised. I put them in place of the Wireworld Silver Equinox between the Joule and the Butler and felt they were at least equal to the Wireworld. I don't see them often pre owned, but, will keep an eye out in hopes of doing a complete secondary rig setup with them.

vmaxer

kharp1 wrote: »

On a more serious, back on track note, I recently picked up a pair of Silnote Morpheus Reference II on the cheap off Audio Circle and was pleasantly and very surprised. I put them in place of the Wireworld Silver Equinox between the Joule and the Butler and felt they were at least equal to the Wireworld. I don't see them often pre owned, but, will keep an eye out in hopes of doing a complete secondary rig setup with them.

I am using a couple osi myself and like then.

Joey_V

tonyb wrote: »

TNTsTunes wrote: »

I just want to figure out a good economical speaker cable to use. I agree that cable makes a difference but it seems the cost factor increases dramatically and the improvement doesn't change as exponentially.

Valid point Tim. Same can be said for speakers too or any other piece of gear. However, the cabling has to match up with the level of gear you have to get maximum results.

In other words, having 5k speaker cables on a set of Monitor 7's isn't going to net you great results. Extreme example but you get the point. The same works in the opposite direction, signal cable on 5k speakers won't grant you the ability to hear what those speakers can do.....everything is relative.

For the same reasons too that we upgrade cdp's or any other piece. There's always a perception of that weak link in ones system until you achieve the sound you like. Cabling is just another component, a piece of the puzzle, to get where you want to be sound wise.

Just my2 cents

I believe a $5000 speaker with signal cable will sound better than a $250 speaker with $5000 speaker cable.

mhardy6647

September 1979.

Smoglifters.

In retrospect, I remember those...

marvda1

kharp1 wrote: »

On a more serious, back on track note, I recently picked up a pair of Silnote Morpheus Reference II on the cheap off Audio Circle and was pleasantly and very surprised. I put them in place of the Wireworld Silver Equinox between the Joule and the Butler and felt they were at least equal to the Wireworld. I don't see them often pre owned, but, will keep an eye out in hopes of doing a complete secondary rig setup with them.

i had a pair of the silnotes and had to think long and hard before i sold them.
i got them when they were cheap.

Airplay355

I’ve never been into cables. Mostly because I didn’t have money for nice stuff and also because I didn’t think it mattered. When I setup my HT I bought some Belden wire from Blue jeans cable. I only used it for the surrounds and center because I had monster cable and thought that was good enough. Got bored tonight and cut some new runs to replace the monster cable. I’m hooked. It definitely makes a difference. I don’t even know how much of an upgrade this really is but it sounds better, definitely better.

Where I struggle is to know what’s an upgrade and what’s just paying more money. With speakers it’s easy, there are model groups and you know what will be an upgrade. Here, I just started out with the cheapest wire blue jeans had.

This is a slippery slope