CABLE TALK??
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Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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Because you were implying both sides equally, when that isn't true.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
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This is how it usually goes. Someone asks about cables, something other than zip cord and receives suggestions on cables to try. Then a naysayer comes in not to answer the original question, but to proclaim anything other than zip cord is snake oil. That's when it starts.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
This is how it usually goes. Someone asks about cables, something other than zip cord and receives suggestions on cables to try. Then a naysayer comes in not to answer the original question, but to proclaim anything other than zip cord is snake oil. That's when it starts.
The world around.
Probably a good thing I can only really read English -- I'm sure there are nigh-on identical threads in Chinese, Russian, Hebrew & Arabic.
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So you would say your response was motivated by my comment which isn’t inline what you believe?Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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You got it wrong to start with, but that's ok no one is perfect.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Perhaps...but the “naysayers” haven’t yet been motivated to respond. One could argue based on this little experiment it is the validity of group a’s argument that is feeling threatened enough to defend.
But thanks for playing along.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
And you are free to continue to be delusional in your thinking...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Ladies and gentlemen may I present exhibit B.
Attacking the person rather than the argument...you can do better than that.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
jeremymarcinko wrote: »Ladies and gentlemen may I present exhibit B.
Attacking the person rather than the argument...you can do better than that.
He attacked your thoughts that you posted by saying they were delusional not you...."Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light
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Not attacking you Jeremy, just stating that your opinion is not fact, I don’t know why you want to pick at getting Jesse to respond to this drivel. Looks to me like you are trying to turn a good thread south by trolling Jesse.
It won’t work.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Thats fine and all man but I have found audioquest to build wires right from the bottom of the line to be quality and pass along the signal better then anything else on the market. Cardas and Kimber also do a fantastic job and thats it. Other companies might do a good job here and there but none of them are as consistent as these top 3.
Well, I know that this isn't true, but it isn't worth arguing over, since it is all opinion.
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Another cable thread gone to h e l l
Mojo Audio Illuminati v3>>Quantum Byte w/LMS>>Rpi/PiCoreplayer>> Starlight 7 USB >> Mojo Audio Mystique v2 SE>>ModWright SWL 9.0 SE Signature>>Hafler DH-500 Amp+ (Musical Concepts Fully Modded)>>
SRS 2.3TL (Fully Modded)...Velodyne Optimum 8 subwoofer
1KVA Dreadnought
Marantz SA 8005
Pioneer PLX-1000 Turntable - Shure SC35C/N35X - V15III/VN35HE
Yamaha TX-540 Tuner...Sony BDP-S570
Sony PS4
Separate subpanel with four dedicated 20 amp circuits.
1. Amplification 2. Analog 3. Digital 4. Video
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Perhaps...but the “naysayers” haven’t yet been motivated to respond. One could argue based on this little experiment it is the validity of group a’s argument that is feeling threatened enough to defend.
But thanks for playing along.
Whatever you are trying to convey simply isn't working.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
You see I haven’t debated cables at all, only what provokes one to argue. I am not seeing where my thinking is delusional at all. All I see is support for my original claim.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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Well, this has changed quickly.
Funny, I just put some MIT's I have had stored back in and am loving them so far.
Not that I understand it but I put them in another system and didn't like the results, seemed to have less bass.
Not the case this time. Glad I didn't sell them.Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
"Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light
a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -
Please I am not trolling at all. I don’t think I have been anything but respectful. Jesse is a big boy and it was his choice to respond to my post.
The original question was what makes a cable thread go south, was it not?
I answered that question. Jesse disagreed and commented that it’s always the naysayers. I think I was able to demonstrate that that isn’t always the case, we haven’t heard from the naysayers, and that my original post is more true than false.
And for the record I am in the camp who has heard differences in cable and believe that cables can and will tune ones system to their liking.
Post edited by jeremymarcinko onOh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
The whole cable debate will never go away. It's simply not in the human condition for everyone to see eye to eye on this, or even discuss it in a civil manner most of the time.
Between; ignorance, jealousy, personal economic standing, value perception and flat out refusal to learn this will always be a circular event.
I personally have not invested a large amount in wiring, I have good quality wire but it's nothing over the top. I HAVE heard differences in wires, I feel that the law of diminishing returns starts to hit pretty early. But, I would never impose my value ideals on anyone else.
My butt clenches pretty hard when I see wire pricing coming in at the thousands of dollars. For me, I get the "but I can buy THIS for that kind of money!" feeling. I know there are many on this board that would think that I'm insane for spending north of $10k on cycling gear this year and honestly I don't care to hear their negative opinion if they have one. I don't care if you think my carbon frames are stupid because you can get a perfectly good aluminum frame for way less. I enjoy them, I WANT them so I decided to spend MY money on them.
So, I try to stay out of other peoples purchase decisions if it's something they truly wanted and enjoy.
Like everything, I encourage people to get out there and TRY stuff. If you notice a difference and think it's worth it, then buy it and who cares what other people think. If you don't notice a difference and think it's a waste of money, then feel good about not buying it...
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Please I am not trolling at all. I don’t think I have been anything but respectful. Jesse is a big boy and it was his choice to respond to my post.
The original question was what makes a cable thread go south, was it not?
I answered that question. Jesse disagreed and commented that it’s always the naysayers. I think I was able to demonstrate that that isn’t always the case, we haven’t heard from the naysayers, and that my original post is more true than false.
And for the record I am in the camp who has heard differences in cable and believe that cables can and will tune ones system to their liking.
Funny, I was wondering why there wasn't a "Troll" button on this forum. To simply be antagonistic just to try and prove a point is pretty much trolling. Maybe I'm wrong, but, I'd be willing to bet I'm not the only one here feeling this way. -
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some cables laying around got the chop!!!!! 37 feet Kords silver digital for the top end(current) and 35 ft transparent premium s-video for the bottom end (voltage)cut up into 8 feet lengths with seperate individual runs for each + and - weaved by bored me! . Exiting a sunfire 225x5.
Sorry F1 but they killed the Mitt avt1 biwires..
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Whatever floats your boat.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
They will be replaced with shotguns in the future
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If you're happy with what you've got, enjoy the music. It looks like you put a lot of work into them and they do look impressive.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
The rear speaker photo's here were actually connected to my B1'S ,i did this for the last 2 weeks before their new owner picked them up..i miss them : ( .
Everything including the foil shields were used in the connections.
I was seriously impressed with the amount of air in the music from the kordz silver for the top end and i found it didn't matter where i went in my home...there were absolutely no standing waves through out my home. It was Solid.
The actual CRS here are awaiting Treys Abbot build and Daves Dreadnaught ,these have stock plates and are only connected via voltage-premium s-video
I can make more sets for only $12000 each run ,you need two runs for a full set,First in best dressed .....limited edition -
jeremymarcinko wrote: »Perhaps...but the “naysayers” haven’t yet been motivated to respond. One could argue based on this little experiment it is the validity of group a’s argument that is feeling threatened enough to defend.
But thanks for playing along.
Perhaps they have not yet been motivated to respond, because the subject is regarding the "naysayers" themselves and not cables, and their benefits and/or detriment to an audio system.
But, If I were to say that my Cerious Technology Carbon Fiber XLR digital cable made a huge improvement over my $14.99 XLR digital cable because of the improved soundstage width, depth, and height. Plus, the bass was deeper and more solid. The high end has more sparkle without being "digitally harsh". And the image weight of all frequencies of the Cerious Technologies cable was better than my $14.99 XLR cable. Also, the separation of the instruments in the soundstage was better from the Cerious Technologies XLR digital cable.
Then, you may see some "naysyaers" coming out against we "believers".
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
I spent about $16 on cables....all of them.
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I spent about $16 on cables....all of them.
That's more than I have spent on cable TV in the last 10 years.
