Dreadnaught Avel-Lindberg 1000VA Transformer Group Buy?
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Oh whats all the worry? He'll be fine e with the stock 800 ... the only difference between the 1000 and the 800 is a 200 placebo effect. What a thread read. Thanks for helping everyone else.
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Here are the facts, I paid in full and brought this group buy to the 15 unit price, at which point several others determined it was worth it for them to join in. The one mistake I made was allowing you to be a middleman in this transaction. If I had paid avel-lindberg directly we wouldn't be here right now. When you took it upon yourself to decide who is worthy and who is not you crossed the line. Your desperate need to justify to yourself the money you have spent on magical audio cables drove you to vilify me for disagreeing with you. Yes I called avel-lindberg and requested that they honor the original purchase group. First come first serve. You don't work for avel-lindberg and you don't dictate to whom they sell to.
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cincycat13 wrote: »Oh whats all the worry? He'll be fine e with the stock 800 ... the only difference between the 1000 and the 800 is a 200 placebo effect. What a thread read. Thanks for helping everyone else.
You don't understand much about electrical theory do you? The extra 200va allows the use of a higher wpc amplifier due to the extra headroom. Its about transformer saturation not magic audio fairies in the wires -
As for the refund issue I guess she misunderstood, the refund shows on paypal but has yet to clear my card.
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scubasteve4sq wrote: »You don't understand much about electrical theory do you? The extra 200va allows the use of a higher wpc amplifier due to the extra headroom. Its about transformer saturation not magic audio fairies in the wires
I may understand more than you think, or I may think I understand more than I do. You seem like an articulate, educated person with diverse interests based on what you have posted.
What I do understand is that this board allows for and encourages opposing opinions as different levels of people travel their personal audio journey when expressed in a respectful manner. I understand that I have a 1000va transformer to build my unit by doing just that. You are probably a successful person. This is not a time to throw a fit, but a time for you to reflect. If you do, you may find something more valuable than a piece of wound copper. -
scubasteve4sq wrote: »You don't understand much about electrical theory do you? The extra 200va allows the use of a higher wpc amplifier due to the extra headroom. Its about transformer saturation not magic audio fairies in the wires
I guess it sucks for you then that you won't be able to use a higher powered amp. Go away.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
scubasteve4sq wrote: »Here are the facts, I paid in full and brought this group buy to the 15 unit price, at which point several others determined it was worth it for them to join in. The one mistake I made was allowing you to be a middleman in this transaction. If I had paid avel-lindberg directly we wouldn't be here right now. When you took it upon yourself to decide who is worthy and who is not you crossed the line. Your desperate need to justify to yourself the money you have spent on magical audio cables drove you to vilify me for disagreeing with you. Yes I called avel-lindberg and requested that they honor the original purchase group. First come first serve. You don't work for avel-lindberg and you don't dictate to whom they sell to.
Here are the facts:
Those of us on the Forum who treat each other with civility, dignity, and respect, enjoy both the camaraderie of the Club and the considerable benefits of belonging to it.
You did not behave with civility, dignity or respect toward others on the Forum. Their tolerance wore out, and you have paid a price -- largely a price that amounts to inconvenience.
Consider this experience a valuable lesson and move on.Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
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Why has this idiot not been banned yet?--Gary--
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He's like the psycho ex-girlfriend that just won't shut up or go away. He insulted one of our best senior members, and the guy who was doing all the leg work for the group buy. He was warned numerous times to tone it down. Just pack up your toys and leave.Home Theater/2 Channel:
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Moose68Bash wrote: »Here are the facts:
Those of us on the Forum who treat each other with civility, dignity, and respect, enjoy both the camaraderie of the Club and the considerable benefits of belonging to it.
You did not behave with civility, dignity or respect toward others on the Forum. Their tolerance wore out, and you have paid a price -- largely a price that amounts to inconvenience.
Consider this experience a valuable lesson and move on.
Your absolutely correct, I already demonstrated that I have learned my lesson from this unfortunate experience, and that lesson is, always deal directly with the manufacturer, never give your money to a useless intermediary trying to rack up airline miles on your dime.
Because really in the end all Neil did was save you guys a 5 minute phone call. -
Wow, what a selfish little girl you are. Go away, you're not welcome here.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Neil did a hell of a lot more than make a phone callscubasteve4sq wrote: »Your absolutely correct, I already demonstrated that I have learned my lesson from this unfortunate experience, and that lesson is, always deal directly with the manufacturer, never give your money to a useless intermediary trying to rack up airline miles on your dime.
Because really in the end all Neil did was save you guys a 5 minute phone call.Home Theater/2 Channel:
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Center: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/150760/my-center-channel-project/p1
Surrounds & Rears: Custom Built forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/151647/my-surround-project/p1
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cincycat13 wrote: »
I may understand more than you think, or I may think I understand more than I do. You seem like an articulate, educated person with diverse interests based on what you have posted.
What I do understand is that this board allows for and encourages opposing opinions as different levels of people travel their personal audio journey when expressed in a respectful manner. I understand that I have a 1000va transformer to build my unit by doing just that. You are probably a successful person. This is not a time to throw a fit, but a time for you to reflect. If you do, you may find something more valuable than a piece of wound copper.
I think your viewing this situation through rose colored glasses. I too thought you could have opposing opinions here. But that is clearly not the case when it comes to refusing to drink the cable coolaid, As this whole fiasco has demonstrated. -
scubasteve4sq wrote: »Here are the facts, I paid in full and brought this group buy to the 15 unit price, at which point several others determined it was worth it for them to join in. The one mistake I made was allowing you to be a middleman in this transaction. If I had paid avel-lindberg directly we wouldn't be here right now. When you took it upon yourself to decide who is worthy and who is not you crossed the line. Your desperate need to justify to yourself the money you have spent on magical audio cables drove you to vilify me for disagreeing with you. Yes I called avel-lindberg and requested that they honor the original purchase group. First come first serve. You don't work for avel-lindberg and you don't dictate to whom they sell to.
No, here are the facts:
This tranny was discovered by Darque Knight when doing some research on how to build a better Dreadnaught. Avel-Lindberg had made a production run of these special audio grade transformers for an audiophile amp manufacturer and had a couple left over, one of which DK purchased and built a Dreadnaught with. Turned out to be a marked improvement over what he had been using, and he reported his findings to the forum.
When others wanted to buy one we were informed that it was not a stock item, but that A-L would make a production run for a minimum of 10 units, with price breaks if the quantity increased. A group buy was organized and everyone who participated received their tranny and was happy. Then others wanted one so another group buy was organized; that one went well too. This is the third group buy and, except for you, everyone understands how to participate in order to make it work.
A-L will not make these for individual customers. They require a guaranteed quantity, with payment up front, to make it worth their while to fire up the production line. They are, however, willing to ship to individual addresses.
BTW, an 800VA A-L tranny will work quite well with higher powered amps due to the fact that almost no current is passing through it. It's just that the 1000VA sounds better. I don't have the knowledge of circuit design or electrical engineering to explain it, though other forum members could. However, you'd have to give them a reason to want to.
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Hopefully, Scooby Doo just learned a very valuable life lesson. When everyone around you is an a$$ hole, you're the a$$ hole.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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scubasteve4sq wrote: »Your absolutely correct, I already demonstrated that I have learned my lesson from this unfortunate experience, and that lesson is, always deal directly with the manufacturer, never give your money to a useless intermediary trying to rack up airline miles on your dime.
Because really in the end all Neil did was save you guys a 5 minute phone call.
Anyone know how to calculate the cash value of air miles? At least one good thing will come out of this jerk making a fool out of himself here. I'm going to donate the cash value of the air miles I get from this purchase to the Githens Center.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
Neil, thanks for doing this again and I'm sorry that one individual tried to make a mess of it.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Like I said, there's one in every crowd.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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scubasteve4sq wrote: »Your absolutely correct, I already demonstrated that I have learned my lesson from this unfortunate experience, and that lesson is, always deal directly with the manufacturer, never give your money to a useless intermediary trying to rack up airline miles on your dime.
Because really in the end all Neil did was save you guys a 5 minute phone call.
"Where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise."
Alexander Pope
On the other hand, while you may have learned something from this experience, your reactions do not suggest that you are in any thing like a blissful state.Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
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I just hope he finds happiness with his $2900 Dreadnought along with 9 free A/L paperweight/doorstops.HT Optoma HD25 LV on 80" DIY Screen, Anthem MRX 300 Receiver, Pioneer Elite BDP 51FD Polk CS350LS, Polk SDA1C, Polk FX300, Polk RT55, Dual EBS Adire Shiva 320watt tuned to 17hz, ICs-DIY Twisted Prs, Speaker-Raymond Cable
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Order total was $5212.80. A bit of googling tells me that air miles are worth about a penny a mile. Knowing that Scooby Doo is certainly still watching this thread even after he's been BANNED, I wouldn't want him thinking I did all this so I could pocket $52.12. And if I donate $52.12 to the Githens Center he'd probably just accuse me of doing all this for the $52.12 tax deduction. So I'm going to donate $100. George Grand, check coming your way!Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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Hopefully, Scooby Doo just learned a very valuable life lesson. When everyone around you is an a$$ hole, you're the a$$ hole.
EXACTLY! There is a guy at work that is just like Scubadouche. Thinks he knows everything and everyone else is stupid and uninformed about just about everything in life. Yet he is to stupid to realize he is the idiot. Nobody can stand this guy either. lol--Gary--
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Order total was $5212.80. A bit of googling tells me that air miles are worth about a penny a mile. Knowing that Scooby Doo is certainly still watching this thread even after he's been BANNED, I wouldn't want him thinking I did all this so I could pocket $52.12. And if I donate $52.12 to the Githens Center he'd probably just accuse me of doing all this for the $52.12 tax deduction. So I'm going to donate $100. George Grand, check coming your way!
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Classy move nevertheless, and will serve as a reminder to anyone who thinks otherwise.
* Read this on a packet of sugar in the Sayville Diner about 30 years ago, the things you remember! LOLSo, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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Order total was $5212.80. A bit of googling tells me that air miles are worth about a penny a mile. Knowing that Scooby Doo is certainly still watching this thread even after he's been BANNED, I wouldn't want him thinking I did all this so I could pocket $52.12. And if I donate $52.12 to the Githens Center he'd probably just accuse me of doing all this for the $52.12 tax deduction. So I'm going to donate $100. George Grand, check coming your way!
I can't say I understand the guy, but think we are better off without him.
As far as the cost I would not have been upset if had not refunded me. I willingly paid the price before the quantity increased. I think the rest of us appreciate what you have done for us!
Looking forward to having this, thanks a lot-and to tool fan for the cases!!Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎
SVS SB16 X2
Cary SLP-05/Ultimate Upgrade.
Cary SA-500.1 ES Amps
Cary DMS 800PV Network
OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
VPI Scout TT / Dynavector 20x2
Jolida JD9 Fully Modified
VPI MW-1 Cyclone RCM
MIT Shotgun 3 cables throughout / Except TT, and PC’s -
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