Emotiva bad business practise thread

mrbigbluelight

It's a little known fact that Emotiva is shipping amps that won't accept bananna plugs.
It's part of a marketing campaign to gain market share by designing amps that LOOK like they'll accept a plug, but won't.

I can see where Parasound, Hafler, Krell, etc will soon adopt this sound business practice.

I like plugs vs spades because I'm lazy.

heiney9

leroyjr1 wrote: »

Interesting read. Emotiva VS Parasound Halo. Didn't realize how clueless these folks are over there.

http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amps&action=display&thread=18933

Wow................just WOW! Some of the people are clueless beyond belief. I am all for people liking what they like, but some of the conclusions drawn over there are some of the most absurd things I've read.

Prefer one thing over another because you've actually spent time critically listening and have some experience with gear not because of some wack-brain logic that has nothing to do with anything.

I love the one about how the Parasound has better internal parts and is built better and has better specs than Emotiva, but that doesn't mean it is better. WTF

I dunno, I feel dirty after reading all the nonsense in that thread.

H9

H9

Sherardp

heiney9 wrote: »

Wow................just WOW! Some of the people are clueless beyond belief. I am all for people liking what they like, but some of the conclusions drawn over there are some of the most absurd things I've read.

Prefer one thing over another because you've actually spent time critically listening and have some experience with gear not because of some wack-brain logic that has nothing to do with anything.

I love the one about how the Parasound has better internal parts and is built better and has better specs than Emotiva, but that doesn't mean it is better. WTF

I dunno, I feel dirty after reading all the nonsense in that thread.

H9

H9

Agreed. I read it earlier and could not make sense of the responses. Very interesting read though. HA!!

heiney9

heiney9 wrote: »

Wow................just WOW! Some of the people are clueless beyond belief. I am all for people liking what they like, but some of the conclusions drawn over there are some of the most absurd things I've read.

Prefer one thing over another because you've actually spent time critically listening and have some experience with gear not because of some wack-brain logic that has nothing to do with anything.

I love the one about how the Parasound has better internal parts and is built better and has better specs than Emotiva, but that doesn't mean it is better. WTF

I dunno, I feel dirty after reading all the nonsense in that thread.

H9

H9

Oh yeah, I have to add the response from the "math major" guy about longevity of the amps had me ROFLMA, tears were running down my face. Reading that thread was like being transported to another dimension. I hope to GOD this is not the future of audio.

Sorry to belabor this, but I am just dumbfounded by the responses in that Emo thread.

H9

sucks2beme

heiney9 wrote: »

Oh yeah, I have to add the response from the "math major" guy about longevity of the amps had me ROFLMA, tears were running down my face. Reading that thread was like being transported to another dimension. I hope to GOD this is not the future of audio.

Sorry to belabor this, but I am just dumbfounded by the responses in that Emo thread.

H9

There was a thread over at head-fi where some young punks were
spewing nonsense about how tubes couldn't sound good.
They'd never heard any, but they were pencil whipping the snot out of
the concept.

cfrizz

polkfarmboy wrote: »

Dam I cant belive you just said that :biggrin:

Being serious though this thread has turned to crapola and my intension was just for consumers to be enlightened to what may happen if you find yourself in a similar situation

For most people, this situation wouldn't happen because most people would utilize common sense and NOT try to for something that won't fit.

To be clear; you were wrong for trying to force it, you are wrong about the shipping.

I have never returned anything that didn't require me to pay for the shipping costs back to the company, this is just standard operating procedure.

So either send it back on your dime like everyone else, or replace them yourself.

Systems

lol...check this out..well Chttp://www.amazon.com/GFA7805-Watt-Channel-Power-Amplifer/product-reviews/B000BIZWB8/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1rap happen's..even to the big boys..oh well..lol

Systems

heiney9 wrote: »

Wow................just WOW! Some of the people are clueless beyond belief. I am all for people liking what they like, but some of the conclusions drawn over there are some of the most absurd things I've read.

Prefer one thing over another because you've actually spent time critically listening and have some experience with gear not because of some wack-brain logic that has nothing to do with anything.

I love the one about how the Parasound has better internal parts and is built better and has better specs than Emotiva, but that doesn't mean it is better. WTF

I dunno, I feel dirty after reading all the nonsense in that thread.

H9

H9

..heres a link for you..read this and see how much more you are confused..lol..http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-1025083.html

Systems

I see now some of the people in here just like to bash...not good...not good at all...

Systems

Sherardp wrote: »

Agreed. I read it earlier and could not make sense of the responses. Very interesting read though. HA!!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-1025083.html...and this is from the President of that Parasound company..lol...Da Big Boys!!..LMAO!!

Habanero Monk

polkfarmboy wrote: »

I know I may come across rude or an **** and for that I apologise

But lets rewind a little and forget about the binding post breaking

If the binding post did not break then I would have received an amplifier that does not accept banana plugs .I would have to pay the return shipping to get all the binding posts in working order

I do know that the binding posts on any amp I have seen, including my Marantz you plug the banana into the back. Where you trying to plug into the side hole?

Do you have a pick of the post and the plug you were using that you could post. A picture is worth a thousand words.

Systems

I have Never Ever! had a Polk speaker go bad on me..And have been using Polk speakers all the way back to the 80's..Matthew just builds great speakers!..This is why the LSiM707 wil be in my livingroom soon.

heiney9

ctank wrote: »

I see now some of the people in here just like to bash...not good...not good at all...

I see, I imagine you mostly sit around a camp fire singing Kum ba yah. Seriously, this is not bashing. It's a discussion about extremely naive and uninformed people who don't have a clue and some of the conclusions they draw are simply wrong.

Calling a spade a spade is not bashing.

You will know bashing when you see it.

H9

Joe08867

villock wrote: »

Me? I am nobody just a member like you. He made it my business
when he posted this garbage on the only 2 forums that I frequent
I guess this behavior is OK in your world. And because I own and like Emotiva equipment I am drinking the koolaid?....... I'm crushed.

Yes, you drink the Koolaid cause you are so crushed by his post that you had to call him out here.

He was already banned at the other site so you thought it would be cute to be a dick here. He is burying himself you don't need to help.

Jstas

halo71 wrote: »

PFB....how old are you?

I did feel sorry for you in this thread. Until I went back and read some of your other threads. It's rather entertaining to read your replies for sure. But if I were you I would take responsibility for YOUR mistake with this amp. Listen to what others are telling you here. And shut your trap.

He's 32...maybe 33 now. Dunno for sure.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114166

inspiredsports

Jstas wrote: »

He's 32...maybe 33 now. Dunno for sure.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114166

They say "30 is the new 18", so he's really about 20, and still feeling that indestructible feeling of youth.

No cheap binding post is a match for that.

Jstas

inspiredsports wrote: »

They say "30 is the new 18",

When did that happen?

WilliamM2

ctank wrote: »

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-1025083.html...and this is from the President of that Parasound company..lol...Da Big Boys!!..LMAO!!

Parasound was also basing their first HDMI pre on the same Tonewinner platform as the Emotiva UMC-1, at triple the cost. At least they were smart enough to cancel their version. They don't build their own products, they farm it out, just like Emotiva.

inspiredsports

Jstas wrote: »

When did that happen?

I don't know the exact date, but kids who used to move out at 18 now seem to be waiting until they are 30 :biggrin:

heiney9

WilliamM2 wrote: »

They [parasound} don't build their own products, they farm it out, just like Emotiva.

Really? Have any proof? I know times are tough and competative so sharing, borrowing, farming out happens to keep profit, but your post reads like Parasound no longer makes anything.............and that's not true and misleading. Some of their products (lower end, entry level) are probably farmed out to a degree, but the rest of it is developed by Parasound engineers. Where they choose to have assembly done is their choice.

Of course I'm not the consumate expert on all things Parasound so if you have proof on the contrary above what you posted (which has been discussed many times before and is old news) please enlighten us.

H9

Jstas

inspiredsports wrote: »

I don't know the exact date, but kids who used to move out at 18 now seem to be waiting until they are 30 :biggrin:

That's not the kids fault. That's the job market. besides, with college being a much more prevalent option being taken by youngin's they don't get done school until they are 23-25 years old anyway. Tack on 2-3 years of grad school to that and yeah, if you're not done with your learnin' until 28 then you're stuck around home for a while. Add to that the fact that even experienced professionals in their mid 30's can see an unemployment period of 15-18 months then how easy do you think someone with lotsa paper but no experience is going to wait? Most of them are just sitting around hopin' for some change as in "Hey buddy, can you spare a dime for a fella down on his luck?"

There aren't many jobs for an 18 year old kid to make a living off in this country anymore. Yeah, there are jobs but with the way the economy has been, they don't pay nearly enough to be above a survival grade of pay and border on abject poverty. Here in NJ, minimum wage gets you about $1160.00 a month before taxes. To rent a 2 bedroom apartment to have a family in a decent town that isn't run down and falling apart, you're looking at $1200 a month, at least. If you get a house, you're going to be in to a basket case that you won't be able to afford to fix up. If you live by yourself, a single bedroom apartment is going to run you about $800-$850 a month plus utilities and such. A studio averages about $725 a month plus utilities. At even just a 20% tax rate in $1160 a month of income (that's being generous, actual rates for Fed and State combined are more like 30%), you're left with around $900 a month. Subtract $725 and you have $175 a month to put gas in your car, make a car insurance payment, put food on your table and keep the water, lights and heat on. Good luck with that.

Yeah, I can see why kids are staying at home longer.

George Grand

I just dropped in. Okay, who needs help here?

Systems

George Grand wrote: »

I just dropped in. Okay, who needs help here?

...lol...hi-5!

F1nut

ctank wrote: »

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archive/index.php/t-1025083.html...and this is from the President of that Parasound company..lol...Da Big Boys!!..LMAO!!

I'm not sure why you find that humerous, he was right on the money. In 2008 Blu-ray was not up to its potential.

Jstas

Keiko wrote: »

Left the nest when I was 17, bro. Granted, times were different back in the 70's. I went straight into the Army after graduating H.S. Been on my own ever since. I see where you're coming from. It's a little tougher for kids in this day & age and a lot of middle class families are struggling now with this crappy economy. Hell, I don't even know where Janey and I ourselves will be next year if things don't start improving soon.

Dude, even the military is a limited option anymore. There's actually a waiting list for basic training now. Want to know why there's a massive boom in higher education? Because, for a large portion of the country it's the only option outside of poverty wages at McDonald's.

We don't MAKE anything anymore so the jobs in this country are in the service industries where you need an education and, in more than a few cases, apprenticeship before you get a full time, full pay job. It blows. It honestly does. Things have changed and those who think the old standards apply and look down on those who do not fit those standards are pretty out of touch.

SDA1C

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Yawn.....

Jstas wrote: »

That's not the kids fault. That's the job market. besides, with college being a much more prevalent option being taken by youngin's they don't get done school until they are 23-25 years old anyway. Tack on 2-3 years of grad school to that and yeah, if you're not done with your learnin' until 28 then you're stuck around home for a while. Add to that the fact that even experienced professionals in their mid 30's can see an unemployment period of 15-18 months then how easy do you think someone with lotsa paper but no experience is going to wait? Most of them are just sitting around hopin' for some change as in "Hey buddy, can you spare a dime for a fella down on his luck?"

There aren't many jobs for an 18 year old kid to make a living off in this country anymore. Yeah, there are jobs but with the way the economy has been, they don't pay nearly enough to be above a survival grade of pay and border on abject poverty. Here in NJ, minimum wage gets you about $1160.00 a month before taxes. To rent a 2 bedroom apartment to have a family in a decent town that isn't run down and falling apart, you're looking at $1200 a month, at least. If you get a house, you're going to be in to a basket case that you won't be able to afford to fix up. If you live by yourself, a single bedroom apartment is going to run you about $800-$850 a month plus utilities and such. A studio averages about $725 a month plus utilities. At even just a 20% tax rate in $1160 a month of income (that's being generous, actual rates for Fed and State combined are more like 30%), you're left with around $900 a month. Subtract $725 and you have $175 a month to put gas in your car, make a car insurance payment, put food on your table and keep the water, lights and heat on. Good luck with that.

Yeah, I can see why kids are staying at home longer.

So don't live in NJ...Problem solved!

Systems

heiney9 wrote: »

I see, I imagine you mostly sit around a camp fire singing Kum ba yah. Seriously, this is not bashing. It's a discussion about extremely naive and uninformed people who don't have a clue and some of the conclusions they draw are simply wrong.

Calling a spade a spade is not bashing.

You will know bashing when you see it.

H9

.not ..Kum ba yah..lol..but we do have a VooDoo man that can help you out on that..you see down here in da Bayou we like too sit around with some Boudin, some cold beers, crankup the sound and have fun..And you?..

KrazyMofo24

SDA1C wrote: »

So don't live in NJ...Problem solved!

Not really. Rent is cheaper here in DFW, but still the majority of the points Jstas made apply here too.

sucks2beme

ctank wrote: »

.not ..Kum ba yah..lol..but we do have a VooDoo man that can help you out on that..you see down here in da Bayou we like too sit around with some Boudin, some cold beers, crankup the sound and have fun..And you?..

We stay away from drunken cajuns.

Jstas

KrazyMofo24 wrote: »

Not really. Rent is cheaper here in DFW, but still the majority of the points Jstas made apply here too.

Don't feed the troll. He's just being a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.