SDA-2B-TL & Recap Completed

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    It won't, believe me, you're better off with a nicer amp. There are no short cuts or band aids in this hobby. You can't polish a **** no matter how hard you try.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited June 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    It won't, believe me, you're better off with a nicer amp. There are no short cuts or band aids in this hobby. You can't polish a **** no matter how hard you try.

    H9

    But you can put makeup on a pig and make her beautiful!
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    I estimate about 315 hours, give or take 20. Did you continue to experience change past the 300 mark other than the refinement mentioned earlier?

    No. Just a thought...
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I predict your plan will be to sell the Emo and get a different amp and nice tube pre-amp. Don;t use the tube pre-amp as a band aid for a mediocre amp, I'm just saying............I can see the wheels spinning in your head about keeping a very average amp and trying to will it to sound like you want with tubes.

    H9

    Totally. I don't know anything about Emo. But I know that the only reason I love my tube pre-amp so much is that it's paired with an awesome amp in my Krell. Spend all the money you want on the best tubes money can buy for your pre. Won't help a bit if your amp doesn't cut it.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    *shrug*, whatever.....it's your rig, your money, your journey. I'll watch from the sidelines. We have ALL been exactly where you're at, so we do know a little (not that you don't). Just trying to impart some of the things I learned along the way.

    Good luck

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited June 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    *shrug*, whatever.....it's your rig, your money, your journey. I'll watch from the sidelines. We have ALL been exactly where you're at, so we do know a little (not that you don't). Just trying to impart some of the things I learned along the way.

    Good luck

    H9

    Yea I'm only joking with ya. I'll assess the amp when it gets here and report back.
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited June 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Ha ha, after 14 months! :biggrin:

    So you get the sound of the Marantz. Have you tried to implement her into the main system lately? I decided I'm going to go the direction you went even though I love this receiver. The 2245 will go to a second system.

    My plan after I get the Emo, is to find a nice tube pre.

    i did last year, i think...at first i thought: wow! this old marantz is sweet! but then i started to miss the talents my adcom 555 amp brings to the party..
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Yea I'm only joking with ya. I'll assess the amp when it gets here and report back.

    the best advice I could offer,,is to listen to the older guys here,who have taken the time to respond to your questions,,they know what they speak of,,based upon experience,, don't pay me any attention,,I'm the crazy old guy with the white labcoat,,,mad I tell ya' utterly mad,,,isolated,insulated,and soundproofed--may your journey be a fruitful and happy one.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited June 2011
    george daniel wrote: »
    the best advice I could offer,,is to listen to the older guys here,who have taken the time to respond to your questions,,they know what they speak of,,based upon experience,, don't pay me any attention,,I'm the crazy old guy with the white labcoat,,,mad I tell ya' utterly mad,,,isolated,insulated,and soundproofed--may your journey be a fruitful and happy one.

    I have and do :) I have freshly rebuilt speakers that I thoroughly enjoy thanks to all the help around here.

    The amp situation is not me not taking advice. I certainly have, just not from here. I would have never thought of buying the Carver TFM without the recommendations I got here at CP. I regret having to sell it, I was just starting to fall in love with her.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    So let me get this straight. You have not one but two amps that you are happy with, the Marantz and the Carver. You have yet a third, the Emo, which you haven't even received yet. People here are telling you to stick with the Carver. But you have already made the choice to sell the Carver and keep the Emo, even though the same people who guided you through the process of rebuilding your speakers are telling you that it won't be a good match. And you're making that decision based on different people's opinions than the ones on this forum, who know as much about matching amps to your speakers as they do about rebuilding your crossovers?

    Why not just sell the Emo, keep the Carver, and then start zero'ing in on a tube preamp?
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited June 2011
    nspindel wrote: »
    So let me get this straight. You have not one but two amps that you are happy with, the Marantz and the Carver. You have yet a third, the Emo, which you haven't even received yet. People here are telling you to stick with the Carver. But you have already made the choice to sell the Carver and keep the Emo, even though the same people who guided you through the process of rebuilding your speakers are telling you that it won't be a good match. And you're making that decision based on different people's opinions than the ones on this forum, who know as much about matching amps to your speakers as they do about rebuilding your crossovers?

    Why not just sell the Emo, keep the Carver, and then start zero'ing in on a tube preamp?

    1. I think the Emo will sound better.
    2. I committed to buying the Emo, the Carver sale will pay for it.
    3. Can't have both right now.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2011
    Place the SDA's 3 feet from the side walls--12-18 inches from the rear,,hook up an amp--get your listen on,,,after a week or so--decide what you like,,always remember,,source,source and source,,take care of that,,then start moving down the chain.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    1. I think the Emo will sound better.

    Sound better than what? A refurbed Carver that you barely have spent anytime with and really don't have a good pre-amp to run an amp?

    So the Emo pre sounds terrible but somehow the amp will be magical? Probably not going to happen if you are truly looking for the sound you have been describing since you started the x-over upgrade.

    I have a suspicion that's not nec the sound you want.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    george daniel wrote: »
    Place the SDA's 3 feet from the side walls--12-18 inches from the rear,,hook up an amp--get your listen on,,,after a week or so--decide what you like,,always remember,,source,source and source,,take care of that,,then start moving down the chain.

    He can't position the SDA's properly in his room, he has little patience to listen to something, he hasn't got a decent pre-amp to run either amp.

    Chasing tail

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited June 2011
    Goodness man, I'm done with this thread.
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited June 2011
    nah.poor taste.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Goodness man, I'm done with this thread.
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    I thought we were entertaining you? Ok, I'll stop busting your balls, they seem to be turning blue.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited June 2011
    AudioC, I understand your limitations especially with the placement issue. I also understand funds are limited. Just stick with something for awhile and see how it turns out. Your Emo xd-a1 probably isn't even broken in yet enough to evaluate it.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited June 2011
    yep-- we all started somewhere--and not at the top--slow down,, the hunt is half the fun,,no such thing as instant gratification,,unless you have deep pockets,,which most of us do not.
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited June 2011
    How can you decide to sell the Carver and keep the Emo before you've even heard it?

    Can you not swing the cash to hold on to both long enough to at least hear the Emo first and then decide? I'm not telling you to renig on your purchase of the Emo. You committed to buy it, you absolutely need to complete the transaction. But at least get a listen in before you go selling the Carver.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited June 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    1. I think the Emo will sound better.
    2. I committed to buying the Emo, the Carver sale will pay for it.
    3. Can't have both right now.

    I am just baffled as to how you came to the conclusion that the Emo will sound good (or even fair).
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited June 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Goodness man, I'm done with this thread.
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    gentlemen start yer timers:tongue:
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited June 2011
    If I trusted the sale I would buy the Carver!!!
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited June 2011
    I am not even sure how you guyz managed to boot the OP from his own thread. :tongue:
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited June 2011
    megasat16 wrote: »
    I am not even sure how you guyz managed to boot the OP from his own thread. :tongue:

    Where just that good!!! :tongue: He'll be back.

    AudioC, For your sake I hope you like the Emo, I really doubt it since you didn't like there pre but who knows.
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