SDA-2B-TL & Recap Completed
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inspiredsports wrote: »:biggrin: . . . I'm grinning (and nobody came right out and wrote it at the time) but I'm guessing I provided some entertainment value a few years ago when I was churning and burning through mods and gear myself
Hell,, we all have.
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reported post #183 narbarkod22 as spam for removalVTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
NAD SS rigs w/mods
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No, but I'll help you return the Emo........that's too bad you bought it. Not really a musical amp for serious 2ch listening at all. It's as far as possible from the way you describe your Marantz.
*shrug*, I have no idea what you were thinking, but it's your rig and your money.
H9
P.s. The rookie move was buying Emotiva. I say that based on everything you've posted on CP since you joined. It's as far from what you describe you want as can be. Then again, I get the distinct impression you have no idea what you want. Sorry, I gotta call 'em like I see 'em.
You also need to slow down and evaluate incrementally all the changes you've made. Right now you don't seem to know if you are coming or going. It makes it difficult when you ask questions for us (me) to take you seriously and spend time trying to help if you just do whatever. Not that you have to follow anyone's advice to the letter.
I understand dude. I just have to hear it. It's more about satisfying a 2 year long curiosity (you can't tell me you don't relate). At this point, the combo of the Marantz and the 2B's is something I've never achieved in my system. I know you guys roll in the dough so I challenge you to find one and prove me wrong!
Also, I don't know why you'd not take me seriously. I've performed every mod to my speakers based on your (and others) advice!
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Dude, I understand curiosity, but that doesn't mean you have to try everything under the sun to know.
I don't do receivers anymore, vintage or otherwise. I've heard all that vintage gear before and it's nostalgic and there are some nice pieces for their day. It doesn't compare to today higher end separates.
You want to keep both amps when the Carver sounds like **** and you haven't even heard the Emo yet and yet you want to keep both.............lol. I don't get it.
Have fun"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Dude, I understand curiosity, but that doesn't mean you have to try everything under the sun to know.
I don't do receivers anymore, vintage or otherwise. I've heard all that vintage gear before and it's nostalgic and there are some nice pieces for their day. It doesn't compare to today higher end separates.
You want to keep both amps when the Carver sounds like **** and you haven't even heard the Emo yet and yet you want to keep both.............lol. I don't get it.
Have fun
I never said the Carver sounded like ****! lol It sounds great. It's just not drawing me in. What you're not getting, and what I've already repeated is that I bought the Emo amp when the Carver was in for repair. I'm content with the Marantz so I'm swapping amps because their is nothing to lose. Even if the Emo sounds like a coyote in a trash compactor, I'm content with my Marantz.
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Can I assume this is based on an extended listen within a quality 2ch setup?:biggrin:No, but I'll help you return the Emo........that's too bad you bought it. Not really a musical amp for serious 2ch listening at all. .
I have yet to hear anything from the ever popular EMO stable so can't comment one way or the other.
Well according to some that might not be far from reallity.audiocr381ve wrote: »even if the Emo sounds like a coyote in a trash compactor,:eek: -
Can I assume this is based on an extended listen within a quality 2ch setup?:biggrin:
I have yet to hear anything from the ever popular EMO stable so can't comment one way or the other.
Well according to some that might not be far from reallity.:eek:
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I don't get something. You seem thrilled with the Marantz. So.... Why not just use the Marantz. If you like it, then take a breather and get to know your new speakers. I don't understand why you're playing around with amps at all right now. You have something that you already like, so spend some time with it and then the hours you invest listening to it will guide you towards your next tweak, to address some facet of the overall presentation. But you need to get to that point slowly, with your ears.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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I don't get something. You seem thrilled with the Marantz. So.... Why not just use the Marantz. If you like it, then take a breather and get to know your new speakers. I don't understand why you're playing around with amps at all right now. You have something that you already like, so spend some time with it and then the hours you invest listening to it will guide you towards your next tweak, to address some facet of the overall presentation. But you need to get to that point slowly, with your ears.
I agree bro. The Emo amp is the last of my indulgences.
Buying this stuff is a temporary stress reliever. I've been stressin' lately. This is my way of disappearing sometimes. But I'll save that for another forum. -
Can I assume this is based on an extended listen within a quality 2ch setup?:biggrin:
I have yet to hear anything from the ever popular EMO stable so can't comment one way or the other.
Well according to some that might not be far from reallity.:eek:
Yes, a fairly long demo. One afternoon using 2 or 3 different pre-amps. Nakamichi CA5 and Adcom GFP 750.
Rotel 1072 cdp.
Emotiva
Monarchy SM70's
Pass Aleph 30
Carver 1.0
Sunfire TGA???
Adcom 555
Marsh A200
Speakers were LSi 15's
To be fair the owner of the Emotiva said it doesn't sound the way it did during our demo at his house in his rig.
H9
P.s.
The Pass Aleph 30 and Monarchy SM70 mono's really were great sounding out of the bunch. Next the Adcom followed by the Marsh with the Sunfire and Carver bringing up the rear. All subjective, all opinion of course "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Yes, a fairly long demo. One afternoon using 2 or 3 different pre-amps. Nakamichi CA5 and Adcom GFP 750.
Rotel 1072 cdp.
Emotiva
Monarchy SM70's
Pass Aleph 30
Carver 1.0
Sunfire TGA???
Adcom 555
Marsh A200
Speakers were LSi 15's
To be fair the owner of the Emotiva said it doesn't sound the way it did during our demo at his house in his rig.
H9
P.s.
The Pass Aleph 30 and Monarchy SM70 mono's really were great sounding out of the bunch. Next the Adcom followed by the Marsh with the Sunfire and Carver bringing up the rear. All subjective, all opinion of course
That is one suggestive smiley face there buddy.
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The Aleph and Monarchy were pretty far out front by most people's account. But all in all the differences were subtle and mostly had to do with presentation, location, depth and bottom end extension between all but the Emo.
The Aleph and the Monarchy's were the most open and natural sounding and the soundstage was realistically huge, the space around instruments, especially vocals was excellent. The rest were lesser degree's of those two, with the Emo failing miserably. The Emo was an unrefined brute force, slightly forward and pretty flat sounding. Not fun after listening to the others.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
audiocr381ve a high current amplifier is what you need.I like speakers that are bigger than a small refrigerator but smaller than a big refrigerator:D
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I never said the Carver sounded like ****! lol It sounds great. It's just not drawing me in.
Frankly, I don't know how you can say it sounds great, yet it's not drawing you in as you've had it back, what 2 days? Burn in...hello!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Frankly, I don't know how you can say it sounds great, yet it's not drawing you in as you've had it back, what 2 days? Burn in...hello!
It's almost like watching a technically great band but not "feeling" the music. It's a synergy thing. Then again, I need a better preamp badly.
So maybe it's not such a synergy thing. Maybe I'm just crazy, I'm really beginning to think that O.o -
audiocr381ve wrote: »I agree bro. The Emo amp is the last of my indulgences.
Buying this stuff is a temporary stress reliever. I've been stressin' lately. This is my way of disappearing sometimes. But I'll save that for another forum.
You're causing yourself stress, not relieving it. Relieving stress is sitting down listening to music through gear you already own and enjoy a lot.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
You're causing yourself stress, not relieving it. Relieving stress is sitting down listening to music through gear you already own and enjoy a lot.
Thank you Dr. Phil. Easier said than done. -
audiocr381ve wrote: »It's almost like watching a technically great band but not "feeling" the music. It's a synergy thing. Then again, I need a better preamp badly.
So maybe it's not such a synergy thing. Maybe I'm just crazy, I'm really beginning to think that O.o
You missed my point entirely. The amp has NOT burned in yet, therefore any opinion you have formed in the last 2 days is completely without merit.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Definitely easier than you're making it.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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You missed my point entirely. The amp has NOT burned in yet, therefore any opinion you have formed in the last 2 days is completely without merit.
Yea I did miss that, sorry.
I'm burning it in now. -
May I ask what work was done to the Carver?audiocr381ve wrote: »Yea I did miss that, sorry.
I'm burning it in now. -
OK fair enough,some nice pieces there for comparison.Yes, a fairly long demo. One afternoon using 2 or 3 different pre-amps. Nakamichi CA5 and Adcom GFP 750.
Rotel 1072 cdp.
Emotiva
Monarchy SM70's
Pass Aleph 30
Carver 1.0
Sunfire TGA???
Adcom 555
Marsh A200
Speakers were LSi 15's
To be fair the owner of the Emotiva said it doesn't sound the way it did during our demo at his house in his rig.
H9
P.s.
The Pass Aleph 30 and Monarchy SM70 mono's really were great sounding out of the bunch. Next the Adcom followed by the Marsh with the Sunfire and Carver bringing up the rear. All subjective, all opinion of course -
OK fair enough,some nice pieces there for comparison.
To even be more fair the Emo was probably out of it's league since it's really not designed or positioned to compete directly with most of those amps, despite what most owners say. I have no beef with Emo as an entry level, good bang for the buck separate amp for mostly HT duty.
Great way to break into separates or really revvvv up your HT experience.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
May I ask what work was done to the Carver?
Yep. You can find all the info here.
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Two words: Acoustic treatments.
If the music isnt drawing you in, take a look and measure your setup to ensure your not getting reflections, in a null, ect.
Its not hard at all to move a couple things around and see if it improves the sound. And its possible to DIY your own panels for quite cheap if you need to...."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
audiocr381ve wrote: »
Well if it was just the filter caps that were replaced IMO there won't be much "burning in" experienced.However it could be that an acclimatization period be needed to get used to it's different sonic flavour,or a just synergy thing.As others have mentioned a good preamp would serve you better. -
Well if it was just the filter caps that were replaced IMO there won't be much "burning in" experienced.However it could be that an acclimatization period be needed to get used to it's different sonic flavour,or a just synergy thing.As others have mentioned a good preamp would serve you better.
Yep, I know for a fact it's the preamp. The XDA-1 DAC/Preamp doesn't do the preamp part all that well. The Marantz 2245 as a standalone preamp is sloppy. I'm really hoping I can pick up that Dared in the for sale section. I may have a bonus on this next paycheck... :eek: -
Well if it was just the filter caps that were replaced IMO there won't be much "burning in" experienced.
Agreed!audiocr381ve wrote: »Yep, I know for a fact it's the preamp. The XDA-1 DAC/Preamp doesn't do the preamp part all that well. The Marantz 2245 as a standalone preamp is sloppy. I'm really hoping I can pick up that Dared in the for sale section. I may have a bonus on this next paycheck... :eek:
I bought a couple of nice amps from Troy (fishbone) and I can't be happier. I can totally recommend him.
Now about the preamp, you won't likely have one shot hit in this hobby.
You'll likely need to try out at least half a dozen preamp before you settle on the one you like. And sell off the ones you don't like. It's a costly hobby but worth it, IMO.Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
If you can get that Dared you will be extremely happy(had one shouldn't have let it go). That tube pre and the Carver or maybe the Emo will sound so much better. It will give you that Marantz warmth with better clarity and non of the sloppiness you are hearing now.
Total immersion.
I hope your happy with the Emo, I doubt it considering what you have said here but hopeful for your sake.
