SDA-2B-TL & Recap Completed

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Hey Mike, you have the 2270 right? It doesn't do your SDA's justice?

    No reciever will, not even vintage.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited May 2011
    I say get rid of the staircase :tongue:
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited May 2011
    cnh wrote: »
    You mean you don't have enough space under that mirror and between the SDA's? Because it looks like a fit to me? Don't understand why you chose to put the TV on the 'other' wall. Am I missing something?

    Is it because you can't fit the full sized sofa where the love-seat is?

    cnh

    I would LOVE some suggestions.
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited May 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Hey Mike, you have the 2270 right? It doesn't do your SDA's justice?

    i still have it...it's not driving my polks...when i moved to a bigger house, i got my adcom gfa555...justice was being served at that point...now i have a tube pre and the 2270 works in the mbr..

    in my condo, the marantz was great...in the bigger house the beast was outta breath


    mike
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited May 2011
    sda2mike wrote: »
    i still have it...it's not driving my polks...when i moved to a bigger house, i got my adcom gfa555...justice was being served at that point...now i have a tube pre and the 2270 works in the mbr..

    in my condo, the marantz was great...in the bigger house the beast was outta breath


    mike

    Well, I'm in the market for a new used amp. Can't wait to hear what these things sound like with more power.

    BTW, those other pics didn't show the entrance. Yep, it's a problematic little space.
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited May 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Well, I'm in the market for a new used amp. Can't wait to hear what these things sound like with more power.

    BTW, those other pics didn't show the entrance. Yep, it's a problematic little space.

    keep in mind you can use the marantz as a pre...btw, it does look good in your room, but i'm biased
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited May 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    No reciever will, not even vintage.

    A vintage NAD 7600 Receiver will.

    All day. Any day. Even original 4 ohm SRS's are not a problem.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2011
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    A vintage NAD 7600 Receiver will.

    All day. Any day. Even original 4 ohm SRS's are not a problem.

    Not like nice seperates, but yes, if one has to have a reciever this is among a handful that atleast is a cut above average.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited May 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Not like nice seperates, but yes, if one has to have a reciever this is among a handful that at least is a cut above average.

    H9

    Well in 1987-1990, yes, if your separates were the top of the line 1300 preamp, 4300 tuner and 2600A power amp.

    The 7600 combined those 3 exact top of the line components in a single chassis (and I actually have the separates too).

    I'm listening to my 7600 right now driving my TL'd SDA SRS 2's just minutes after my tube rig driving the TL'd 2B's. The 7600 can run with some serious big boys without embarrassment.

    specs http://www.inspiredsports.com/images/nad%2D7600/NAD-7600-Receiver-Brochure.pdf
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited May 2011
    that's some good-looking 80s stuff...similar in appearance to adcom
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2011
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Well in 1987-1990, yes

    Guess I missed the part where we were talking about 2 decade old comparisons. :biggrin::smile:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited May 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Well, I'm in the market for a new used amp. Can't wait to hear what these things sound like with more power.

    BTW, those other pics didn't show the entrance. Yep, it's a problematic little space.

    looking at this pic..i wonder if it would be better to have your polks on either side of that window and have a couch in front? it is a unique configuration
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited May 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Guess I missed the part where we were talking about 2 decade old comparisons. :biggrin::smile:

    H9

    My best sounding gear came from that era or older (although the new caps/diodes/resistors/op amps/etc. are state-of-the-art), and my best tubes are way older. The only gear I've needed to go modern on are naturally CDPs and DACs.

    Back to the OP. His gear, no matter what it is, will not improve the situation so we are now at an impasse with this thread.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited May 2011
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    My best sounding gear came from that era or older (although the new caps/diodes/resistors/op amps/etc. are state-of-the-art), and my best tubes are way older. The only gear I've needed to go modern on are naturally CDPs and DACs.

    Back to the OP. His gear, no matter what it is, will not improve the situation so we are now at an impasse with this thread.

    Don't write about me like I didn't start this thread smart guy.

    What exactly is my situation? Re-read the post were I said I pull out the couch for critical listening? I even posted a picture for the not so imaginative. :rolleyes:

    I'll get a nice amp and it WILL help my situation, you just watch :cool:
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited May 2011
    If it was me, and this is just my opinion, I know it would be hard to get rid of the SDA's but I would get some nice bookshelf speakers and a nice sub for that room and call it a day. Keep the SDA's till you have the space for them or sell them.. a little room treatments would also be keen..

    I think you would have better sound and it would also look better in that room.

    Again just my .02
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited May 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    If it was me, and this is just my opinion, I know it would be hard to get rid of the SDA's but I would get some nice bookshelf speakers and a nice sub for that room and call it a day. Keep the SDA's till you have the space for them or sell them.. a little room treatments would also be keen..

    I think you would have better sound and it would also look better in that room.

    Again just my .02

    there ends the madness, hopefully...that is good advice...forward thinking to-boot
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited May 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    If it was me, and this is just my opinion, I know it would be hard to get rid of the SDA's but I would get some nice bookshelf speakers and a nice sub for that room and call it a day. Keep the SDA's till you have the space for them or sell them.. a little room treatments would also be keen..

    I think you would have better sound and it would also look better in that room.

    Again just my .02

    Good thing I'm not you :biggrin: They're staying and being enjoyed :wink: I don't remember saying that I didn't enjoy them :confused:

    Lord willing, we plan on moving into a bigger place within the next year.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited May 2011
    Yet you complain about lack of bass and set-up?? you have no idea what your missing.

    Like I said just my opinion and my .02

    Enjoy.
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited May 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Yet you complain about lack of bass and set-up?? you have no idea what your missing.

    Like I said just my opinion and my .02

    Enjoy.

    Complaining and pointing something out are completely different. I guess it's a bit harder to pick that up through reading text. Then again ****umptions seem to be made a lot around here.

    I love these speakers, I've said it from the start. Just because I want different rims on my car doesn't mean I hate the car :wink:
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited May 2011
    Dude, take it easy. People hear are trying to help. But if you think were making asses of ourselves than it's your loss not ours.
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  • DollarDave
    DollarDave Posts: 2,575
    edited May 2011
    I just encountered something that might help you - last night I had made a speaker cable with bananna plugs and I messed up and had one cable end on the wrong lead. Long story short, one speaker was out of phase and I was getting very little bass output from a pair of ADS 620s. As I was swapping stuff around, I noticed it and whalla! Back to smooth.

    Check your cables, it might surprise you how easy it is to make that mistake.
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  • TennMan
    TennMan Posts: 1,266
    edited May 2011
    DaveMuell wrote: »
    I just encountered something that might help you - last night I had made a speaker cable with bananna plugs and I messed up and had one cable end on the wrong lead. Long story short, one speaker was out of phase and I was getting very little bass output from a pair of ADS 620s. As I was swapping stuff around, I noticed it and whalla! Back to smooth.

    Check your cables, it might surprise you how easy it is to make that mistake.
    That might have happened internally during the crossover update. Testing with a 1.5 volt battery would tell if that is the problem.
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  • DollarDave
    DollarDave Posts: 2,575
    edited May 2011
    TennMan wrote: »
    ...Testing with a 1.5 volt battery would tell if that is the problem.

    Tell me how you do that? I could have used that trick before, particularily if it saves a dis-assembly.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited May 2011
    audiocr381ve wrote: »
    Don't write about me like I didn't start this thread smart guy.

    What exactly is my situation? Re-read the post were I said I pull out the couch for critical listening? I even posted a picture for the not so imaginative. :rolleyes:

    I'll get a nice amp and it WILL help my situation, you just watch :cool:

    Cool. Good luck.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited May 2011
    Well since audionotsocr381ve has is all figured out we can all move on..:rolleyes:

    BTW!!! LISTED!!!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Well since audionotsocr381ve has is all figured out we can all move on..:rolleyes:

    Some guys just have to learn on their own.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,244
    edited May 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Some guys just have to learn on their own.

    H9


    Very True!!! I'm glad I never shut the doors on those of you that help/helped me out...
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  • sda2mike
    sda2mike Posts: 3,131
    edited May 2011
    i'll bet larry's rings will help his bass:wink:
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  • audiocr381ve
    audiocr381ve Posts: 2,588
    edited May 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Very True!!! I'm glad I never shut the doors on those of you that help/helped me out...

    :rolleyes: Not worth my time. Respect is a two way street. Around here it feels like a one way.

    In case I haven't mentioned this already (maybe only a hundred times), I couldn't have done what I did without your help. Even those of you who are asses :wink:

    Seriously, thanks.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited May 2011
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Very True!!! I'm glad I never shut the doors on those of you that help/helped me out...

    Well, I don't think he's shutting the doors. It's hard to convey the entire thought process on a word based b-board. He'll just have to experiment until he finds what he wants.

    Placement and gear is the big issue. He's got to do what he can do or move them along. I just get frustrated when people start blaming the speakers when it's the short comings of the set-up and the proper gear whether it be source, amp, cables, etc. (General statement not nec. directed at the OP).

    TL'd 2B's can sound simply stunning in the right set-up. I will add as another general statement, SDA's are not everyone's cup of tea. I don't understand it, but it's true :wink:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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