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heiney9
heiney9 Posts: 25,165
edited January 2011 in 2 Channel Audio
Some people don't get higher end audiophilia.

This is a quote from the comments section of a professional on-line review of the Pass Labs INT-30A. After receiving a raving professional review this is what someone comments.

"written by kevon manuel , August 31, 2010

Lets see. for $7000 I can get 7 Emotiva XPA 1's over this audiophile crap."

I wish I had room in my sig for this :tongue:

Some people aren't meant nor will they ever get what this hobby is about.

H9
"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited January 2011
    Now that's funny lol. Pass Labs is from a different universe compared to Emo.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2011
    For some of us it truly is a "hobby", for others..... it can be a blinding obsession. (not that there's anything wrong with that ! :biggrin:)

    A hobby is an activity or interest that is undertaken for pleasure or relaxation, typically done during one's leisure time.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2011
    Let's see...

    For 7 grand I can get 21 Carver TFM-35's, or 7000 Kraco 8track players.:tongue:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    organ wrote: »
    Now that's funny lol. Pass Labs is from a different universe compared to Emo.

    It struck me as comical, and no that's not just an excerpt from that person's comment.............that's the entire comment. :tongue:

    I understand we are all at different levels and some of us persue it more passionately and some of us care more about the end experience. But it seems this dude has no clue whatsoever.

    It just made me LOL at my desk so I thought I'd post it.

    Really ("audiophile crap")

    H9

    "I can buy 1000 Ford Fiesta's over that Italian Ferrari Automobile crap"
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited January 2011
    For 7 grand I can get 3500 taco supreme from Taco Bell.
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  • rdb2001
    rdb2001 Posts: 791
    edited January 2011
    Some don't get it. I was able to get my ears on a pass X250. A friend recently got it from his dealer that had someone trade it in. All I can say is wow. It definitely has me looking into the X series because he got an amazing deal on it. He now has 5 channals of pass amplification. I was envious. The X250 is huge and weighs well over 100 lbs.
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited January 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    It struck me as comical, and no that's not just an excerpt from that person's comment.............that's the entire comment. :tongue:

    I understand we are all at different levels and some of us persue it more passionately and some of us care more about the end experience. But it seems this dude has no clue whatsoever.

    It just made me LOL at my desk so I thought I'd post it.

    H9

    LMFAO:biggrin: I thought it was an excerpt. Now it's alot funnier ha ha.
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  • JuanR
    JuanR Posts: 718
    edited January 2011
    organ wrote: »
    For 7 grand I can get 3500 taco supreme from Taco Bell.

    Save some of that 7 grand for the Pepto
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited January 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Some people don't get higher end audiophilia.

    Some people aren't meant nor will they ever get what this hobby is about.

    H9

    It's hard to get a true perspective on what higher end audiophilia is about due to some people's unwillingness to investigate, listen and learn for themselves AND due to all those wonderful and seemingly credible websites that keep telling people that all amplifiers, cables and source components sound alike.

    So, since the Pass INT-30A and the Emo XPA-1 sound exactly alike, why should one fork over 7X as much cash just for a prettier sculpted aluminum case and prestige brand name?:smile::wink:
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited January 2011
    That Pass Labs only has 30W/ch and the EMO has 500W, The XPA is OBVIOUSLY 13.3x better at 1/7th the cost!
    :wink:
    design is where science and art break even.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    It's not so much that the Emo was mentioned (he could have inserted any more entry level piece from any manufacturer) it's just the phrasing and calling the higher end audio components "audiophile crap", that struck my funny bone.

    H9

    P.s. My intent is NOT to start bashing Emo. Look beyond the brand and just soak in the "idea" of the comment.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,205
    edited January 2011
    Different strokes for different folks I guess.
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
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  • rdb2001
    rdb2001 Posts: 791
    edited January 2011
    decal wrote: »
    Different strokes for different folks I guess.

    Agreed. I have a friend who is quiet happy with his emo's and doesnt want anything else. He is content. Me on the other hand, tries to get my ear on as many pieces as I can in my rig. He always says, I will just wait til you buy something else to hear something different. It is what it is. As said earlier, for some its just a hobby and a way to pass time and for some its a passion, a sickness to find that little bit more. I so happen to be in the latter part.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    decal wrote: »
    Different strokes for different folks I guess.

    I would agree, but I bet the author of that comment has never heard anything beyond entry level components or he was simply flabbegasted at the cost of a single piece of audio gear. Either way..........that's a far stretch to call it "different strokes for different folks", IMO. It show absolute ignorance.

    Generalize my comments over all higher end gear not just the 2 pieces the original comment is about.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    rdb2001 wrote: »
    Agreed. I have a friend who is quiet happy with his emo's and doesnt want anything else. He is content.

    I think that's fine.............as long as he doesn't go around making ignorant comments about the gear he has no interest in persuing.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    The original comment is so absurd it's not even offensive............it's comical. :tongue:

    It's one thing to have doubt or be apprehensive about a certain level of gear...........but to dismiss it, slam it so uneqivocally is just simply crazy.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2011
    That would be like me bashing the dCS triple stack without ever hearing it.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2011
    Well, that Pass Labs stuff is probably the same inside as Emotiva, just with a nicer case. Put a nice meter and a blue light up thingy on the front and all the audiophiles will rave about it and want to own it.




















    :eek::biggrin::wink:
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    If I hadn't joined this forum I would consider EMO an upgrade from my crappy system and I'd be quite happy with it.
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  • ecod123
    ecod123 Posts: 379
    edited January 2011
    dkg999 wrote: »
    Well, that Pass Labs stuff is probably the same inside as Emotiva, just with a nicer case.

    Not sure it it's a tongue in cheek comment. :confused:

    Pass labs guts have many different components than Emotiva, for sure.
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited January 2011
    Dude whatever, the UPA-2 can run circles around any of that stupid over priced Pass Labs stuff. I mean come on, there's not a difference between A/B and class A or different amps.

    :rolleyes::wink::tongue:

    Sounds like a typical person who doesn't want to try anything else. Its funny to note that people always say everything is the same when it comes to an amp, yet fail to understand the difference between A, A/B, H, D, etc and then what that can result in the final product and listening environment.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited January 2011
    Face wrote: »
    That would be like me bashing the dCS triple stack without ever hearing it.

    You shouldn't need to hear it because all CD and SACD players sound alike. You should feel free to bash dCS for charging a king's ransom for a player that does not sound any better than what you can get for $299.95 at Best Buy.

    Audiophiles are so gullible.


    mad.gifBy the way, what cables would you recommend using with the $80K dCS Scarlatti CD/SACD system?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2011
    DarqueKnight wrote: »

    mad.gifBy the way, what cables would you recommend using with the $80K dCS Scarlatti CD/SACD system?


    I prefer the cables that come out of the box with a 10 buck cd player myself. Just as gear makes no difference, cables make no difference either.:wink::biggrin:
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  • ecod123
    ecod123 Posts: 379
    edited January 2011
    Sorry OT,

    H6, could you clean up your inbox. My PM re the tubes is not getting thru. Thanks.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2011
    I just recommend Emo to a friend who is looking for high powered amps for his 9.1 HT at a low price, but to dismiss any piece of audio equipment or otherwise based on specs and price alone is just silly.

    I was just reading Motor Trend "Best of 2010" yesterday and one of the considerations was how well does it work for it's intended purpose. This is something that many people forget when comparing equipment, but another good consideration is also intended market and buyer. Pass and Emotive know they don't have the same market and I would assume that both are okay with that and both are happy with their products; just as are their buyers.
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  • grimmace19
    grimmace19 Posts: 1,429
    edited January 2011
    In my opinion everything in this hobby increases at a decreasing rate. That guy obviously has no intentions of traveling up the totem pole of gear and experience things from a different angle.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    zingo wrote: »
    to dismiss any piece of audio equipment or otherwise based on specs and price alone is just silly.

    Agreed. It is about the performance. Period. You purchase what performance you can at the price level you can and try to maximize the performance for the dollar spent.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited January 2011
    The Emotiva gear has a niche; I think it's a good value given its cost/build quality ratio. Is it a Mark Levinson or Pass product? no; and niether is my Parasound HCA, but I'm satisfied with it given my pickyness, and its price/performance ratio.

    I would recommend the Emotiva line to non-audiophile, yet someone looking for something a notch above the average gear for home theater, without reservation.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    grimmace19 wrote: »
    That guy obviously has no intentions of traveling up the totem pole of gear and experience things from a different angle.

    Which is perfectly fine.
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  • grimmace19
    grimmace19 Posts: 1,429
    edited January 2011
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Which is perfectly fine.

    I wasn't implying it's not. Just another addition to the increasing at a decreasing rate theory. It's just like how I'm satisfied with the cables I have and don't plan to go further up the pole to the mit oracles because I wouldn't feel like I'd get 30k of improvements from them...
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