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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited January 2011
    When I was in Tokyo last summer I got to play around with 100s of thousands of dollars of pre-s/amps/speakers/sources, etc. on an entire floor of a fairly well known Japanese electronics store that sold just about 'everything' and stuff I'd never heard of. I'd still be there today if my wife didn't pulled me out--it was like an audio-sink-hole...always something more to see/hear. What a rush.

    sherardp probably remembers the name, I forgot..too many shiny, pretty sounding things in there.

    I didn't see an Emotiva in there though. No bashing intended.

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2011
    cnh wrote: »
    When I was in Tokyo last summer I got to play around with 100s of thousands of dollars of pre-s/amps/speakers/sources, etc. on an entire floor of a fairly well known Japanese electronics store that sold just about 'everything' and stuff I'd never heard of. I'd still be there today if my wife didn't pull me out--it was like an audio-sink-hole in there...always something more to see. What a rush.

    I didn't see an Emotiva in there though. No bashing intended.

    cnh

    I think the Emo gear was in the children's play area sitting right next to the Lego's and the animatronic Godzilla with the kung-fu grip.:tongue::biggrin:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • dcoil
    dcoil Posts: 153
    edited January 2011
    Some people just don't have an 'audiophile' ear. Take my wife, who generously lets me enjoy this hobby. She isn't so concerned about the quality of the music, she just enjoys the music. Give her an iPod and she's perfectly content. I on the other hand have a real appreciation for 'good sound'. I will probably go up the audiophile chain as far as my budget will allow - until the law of ‘diminishing returns’ kicks in. At some point, unless you have unlimited resources, you have to say OK. It's just not worth the degree of improvement for the $$ required to 'move up'. So what I think is special about this hobby, and I'm just really starting into this, is to maximize the sound quality for my comfort level of economic investment (upgrading caps, making cables, swapping gear, etc. And sharing ideas and successes on the forum for the benefit of other members is really pretty cool! And the differences in opinion just makes the forum a bit more fun to read:wink:
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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited January 2011
    rdb2001 wrote: »
    Some don't get it. I was able to get my ears on a pass X250. A friend recently got it from his dealer that had someone trade it in. All I can say is wow. It definitely has me looking into the X series because he got an amazing deal on it. He now has 5 channals of pass amplification. I was envious. The X250 is huge and weighs well over 100 lbs.

    Yes, weight is an indicator of performance... :tongue::wink:

    & as we learned from the scum-bag lawyer on Jurassic Park, if it's heavy, it's expensive~

    :biggrin:
    TNRabbit
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited January 2011
    $7000.00 for an amplifier?? That's ridiculous. If I had $7000.00, I'd save up $5000.00 more and get myself a pair of Audioquest Everest interconnect wires.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 1,225
    edited January 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I think the Emo gear was in the children's play area sitting right next to the Lego's and the animatronic Godzilla with the kung-fu grip.:tongue::biggrin:

    Ouch, that is going to leave a mark. :cool:
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  • ESavinon
    ESavinon Posts: 3,066
    edited January 2011
    It's their loss really.
    SRT For Life; SDA Forever!

    The SRT SEISMIC System:
    Four main satellite speakers, six powered subs, two dedicated for LFE channel, two center speakers for over/under screen placement and three Control Centers. Amaze your friends, terrorize your neighbors, seize the audio bragging rights for your state. Go ahead, buy it; you only go around once.
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  • Loud & Clear
    Loud & Clear Posts: 1,538
    edited January 2011
    It's certainly debatable as to who has taken the loss. The audio world, not unlike the world of magical potions formulated to cure what ails you, is full of rather dubious concoctions. Five-figure runs of wire, magical treatments, etc. Sometimes you wonder who's making audio gear; engineers or witch doctors. No bashing intended, and people are certainly entitled to place their money wherever they feel as though it can be best utilized. Happy listening.

    Two Channel Setup:

    Speakers: Wharfedale Opus 2-3
    Integrated Amp: Krell S-300i
    DAC: Arcam irDac
    Source: iMac
    Remote Control: iPad Mini

    3.2 Home Theater Setup:

    Fronts: Klipsch RP-160M
    Center: Klipsch RP-160M
    Subwoofer: SVS PB12NSD (X 2)
    AVR: Yamaha Aventage RX-A2030
    Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S790
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,287
    edited January 2011
    Look its dollars and cent's (since) if you can afford to tinker the high end then so be it, if you can't, then you tinker with the best you can afford.

    If you go to Vegas with $100 you wouldn't go play in high stakes...well, you know what I mean
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    ecod123 wrote: »
    Sorry OT,

    H6, could you clean up your inbox. My PM re the tubes is not getting thru. Thanks.

    Sorry, I got home last night and my computer died!!! Oh the horror of not having 24/7 internet access. I have a new computer sitting in the box at home. So for now I just have access at work. I'll get it cleaned out shortly after I catch up on some threads.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    zingo wrote: »
    Pass and Emotive know they don't have the same market and I would assume that both are okay with that and both are happy with their products; just as are their buyers.

    Absolutely, but apparently the person making the flippant comment hasn't a clue. Emo is geared towards those with HT coming from a modest receiver and dipping their toes in separates. The problem is many Emo users are new to the audiophile game and they think it's better than anything else out there or atleast as good. Plain and simple, it's not. Is it better than typical budget receiver, sure.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    This apparently turned into another Emo thread. I really wanted to hear more discussion about the absurdity of that person's comments about higher edn gear vs. entry level gear. I just posted it because it made me LOL.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    grimmace19 wrote: »
    In my opinion everything in this hobby increases at a decreasing rate. That guy obviously has no intentions of traveling up the totem pole of gear and experience things from a different angle.
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Which is perfectly fine.

    It is fine, except he's calling expensive high end gear crap. It reeks of **** envy.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    dcoil wrote: »
    Some people just don't have an 'audiophile' ear. Take my wife, who generously lets me enjoy this hobby. She isn't so concerned about the quality of the music, she just enjoys the music. Give her an iPod and she's perfectly content. I on the other hand have a real appreciation for 'good sound'. I will probably go up the audiophile chain as far as my budget will allow - until the law of ‘diminishing returns’ kicks in. At some point, unless you have unlimited resources, you have to say OK. It's just not worth the degree of improvement for the $$ required to 'move up'. So what I think is special about this hobby, and I'm just really starting into this, is to maximize the sound quality for my comfort level of economic investment (upgrading caps, making cables, swapping gear, etc. And sharing ideas and successes on the forum for the benefit of other members is really pretty cool! And the differences in opinion just makes the forum a bit more fun to read:wink:

    But would she say her iPod is better than that "audiophile crap"?
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I think the Emo gear was in the children's play area sitting right next to the Lego's and the animatronic Godzilla with the kung-fu grip.:tongue::biggrin:

    Last time I was through Akihabara I didn't see any Carver either. Must have all been on the repair bench for their bi-annual re-cap and transformer swap.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    nap wrote: »
    Ouch, that is going to leave a mark. :cool:

    NAP as a Mod I thought you would have known (cfrizz said it best):


    Gear bashing is against the rules, but this rule gets broken over & over again when it should be reinforced. If that started happening all this other foolishness would also come to an end.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2011
    And you wonder why no one wants you here.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    Here we go.................sprialing down the drain like a **** being flushed. Everything was somewhat intelligent until JuJu shows up. John surely didn't help with his troll-like comment. Is there any way to have a somewhat coherent discussion?

    I didn't post the comment to be inflammatory, but it just really struck a chord with me.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    Gear bashing is against the rules, but this rule gets broken over & over again when it should be reinforced. If that started happening all this other foolishness would also come to an end

    Hmmmmm....well, I don't know that your reference comment was really gear bashing any more than this one:
    Last time I was through Akihabara I didn't see any Carver either. Must have all been on the repair bench for their bi-annual re-cap and transformer swap.

    Crackpot.

    BTW, your list of claims that you can't factually or even rationally support is growing....still waiting for that list of hifi pro-gear studios, or your revolutionary vision of 2ch....your non-response speaks VOLUMES. General Tire and subwoofer crossovers.....big bag, no contents.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Here we go.................sprialing down the drain like a **** being flushed. Everything was somewhat intelligent until JuJu shows up. John surely didn't help with his troll-like comment. Is there any way to have a somewhat coherent discussion?

    I didn't post the comment to be inflammatory, but it just really struck a chord with me.

    H9

    lickmyheiney (since we using pet names like Juju), I'm just agreeing with Cathy. That's all.

    Maybe you guys should take your group bullying and gang up on John...
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    TroyD wrote: »
    Hmmmmm....well, I don't know that your reference comment was really gear bashing any more than this one:



    Crackpot.

    BDT

    Never said it wasn't.

    Sauce that is good on goose is equally good on gander. That and the Mods seem to tolerate it.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    TroyD wrote: »
    Hmmmmm....well, I don't know that your reference comment was really gear bashing any more than this one:



    Crackpot.

    BTW, your list of claims that you can't factually or even rationally support is growing....still waiting for that list of hifi pro-gear studios, or your revolutionary vision of 2ch....your non-response speaks VOLUMES. General Tire and subwoofer crossovers.....big bag, no contents.

    BDT

    Hey, you will have to wait as long as I am waiting. Don't let that selective memory bite you in the ****. I know where the threads are...

    Any time you want to take your $1K in sub and put it up against my $1k setup let me know.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2011
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    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2011
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    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    "Audiophile crap" is a curious phrase, to say the least.



    At the end of the day, the law of diminishing returns gives a different cap of "worth it" to each and every person. That's not a problem. What IS a problem is these morons thinking that just because THEY felt they should stop at a certain point, that it's ok to make ridiculous statements such as "audiophile crap."

    I'll be honest. I'm never going to pay $2000 for an amp. Ever. My threshold due to the law of diminishing returns enforces that. But will i sit here and condemn everything that costs more than my $100 Oinker amp for being overpriced and not worth it? Hell no.


    Jinjuku, give it a rest already. You obviously don't enjoy yourself here. You can't convince anyone here that you enjoy being here for the discussion and subject matter.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    Keiko wrote: »
    Go brush your teeth, juju. Sheesh! H9 is correct. Everything was cool until you showed up.

    No, everything was clique until I showed up. So Emo bashing is fine? but I post something about Carvers being on the repair bench and it's a problem.

    The only thing that equals your boundless stupidity is your hypocrisy.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    JuJu you are an f-tard! I have stated several times in this thread that it's not about Emo bashing. It was about the flippant comment of "audiophile crap". I can't help it if more Emo owners think their gear is the greatest stuff going, when it clearly isn't. FTR, there is better stuff than Pass as well, not sure what it would be, but I'm sure there is, like Burmeister or Meridian are a few that come to mind.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Hey, you will have to wait as long as I am waiting. Don't let that selective memory bite you in the ****. I know where the threads are...

    Any time you want to take your $1K in sub and put it up against my $1k setup let me know.

    Let's start with a sub in a 2ch rig....an active crossover is FAR from 'revolutionary' or divergent.


    Regardless of crossover, a sub in a 2 ch rig is generally bad idea. Taken a bit further, even if you COULD integrate it seamlessly, which I've yet to hear, it still isn't going to mask shortcomings up stream....which was pretty much your original premise and which you STILL haven't addressed.


    Keep trying though.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Hey, you will have to wait as long as I am waiting. Don't let that selective memory bite you in the ****. I know where the threads are...

    Any time you want to take your $1K in sub and put it up against my $1k setup let me know.

    So... you want to put a rig up against another rig in a highly subjective listening "test" in which one person has a rig that they built for their ears, against another rig built by the other for their ears? That seems... scientific. But where are the numbers? This is not scientific testing. :rolleyes:
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    concealer404 wrote: »
    So... you want to put a rig up against another rig in a highly subjective listening "test" in which one person has a rig that they built for their ears, against another rig built by the other for their ears? That seems... scientific. But where are the numbers? This is not scientific testing. :rolleyes:

    Regarless, the window licker said that he had a 'divergent' path or some such that was supposed to be enlightened or what not (I'd have to go back and look at the post)...but the jist was that his way of setting up a 2ch rig was so much better...yada yada. When pressed, the only idea he could really come up with was active crossovers....which is not a controversial idea really. I'd argue that using a sub in a 2ch rig is controversial.....the crossover is irrelevant.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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