Had to share.......

concealer404

TroyD wrote: »

Regarless, the window licker said that he had a 'divergent' path or some such that was supposed to be enlightened or what not (I'd have to go back and look at the post)...but the jist was that his way of setting up a 2ch rig was so much better...yada yada. When pressed, the only idea he could really come up with was active crossovers....which is not a controversial idea really. I'd argue that using a sub in a 2ch rig is controversial.....the crossover is irrelevant.

BDT

I believe it's dj equipment driving kit speakers.

jinjuku

concealer404 wrote: »

So... you want to put a rig up against another rig in a highly subjective listening "test" in which one person has a rig that they built for their ears, against another rig built by the other for their ears? That seems... scientific. But where are the numbers? This is not scientific testing. :rolleyes:

I didn't knock anyones sub setup however. So it's ok to bash what I put together with out ever hearing it? HOW open minded of you:rolleyes:

concealer404

jinjuku wrote: »

I didn't knock anyones sub setup however. So it's ok to bash what I put together with out ever hearing it? HOW open minded of you:rolleyes:

I'm sorry... Whose setup was a bashing, again? Once again, i have no idea what you're talking about.

I haven't made any such comments. Rather, i was commenting on the utterly well... DUMB "challenge" thrown out. I don't even have to bring my rig, chances are that mine sounds better to my ears, and i'm cool with that "assumption."

jinjuku

concealer404 wrote: »

I'm sorry... Whose setup was a bashing, again? Once again, i have no idea what you're talking about.

I haven't made any such comments. Rather, i was commenting on the utterly well... DUMB "challenge" thrown out. I don't even have to bring my rig, chances are that mine sounds better to my ears, and i'm cool with that "assumption."

I wasn't issuing it as a challenge. If you had a bit of an open mind I think you would be surprised with what you could do for $1K DIY. If you're not into rolling your own that is fine.

I believe the dj/kit speakers jab you made was bashing however:

concealer404 wrote: »

I believe it's dj equipment driving kit speakers.

tonyb

"Window licker" LOL!! Yeah, in a strip club.

Avtive crossovers would be relevant in a bi-amp configuration. In general though,I fall in the camp of 2 channel/no sub myself though seemless intergration I'm sure can be done. Those who have heard Phil's dual velo's seem to think so anyway. I could never get a sub to play well with music, once dialed in to where I thought it sounded good, I found myself constantly adjusting because one song sounded good,another not so much. Also the reason I gave up on powered towers. Maybe a natural evolution, who knows, we're all different. For me, it's go big or go home, with good amplification.

halo71

concealer404

jinjuku wrote: »

I wasn't issuing it as a challenge. If you had a bit of an open mind I think you would be surprised with what you could do for $1K DIY. If you're not into rolling your own that is fine.

I believe the dj/kit speakers jab you made was bashing however:

Or a joke, whatever. I really have no idea what's in your rig besides some speakers that you built i think? I was just poking good natured fun based on your "obsession" with pro amps, that's all.

nooshinjohn

Come on guys... Juju is a famous TV star, so cut him some slack.

tonyb

Looks like we need some Holy water splashed on this thread.

nooshinjohn

tonyb wrote: »

Looks like we need some Holy water splashed on this thread.

There ya go.... thanks for bringing religion into this.:biggrin:

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

Any time you want to take your $1K in sub and put it up against my $1k setup let me know.

jinjuku wrote:

I wasn't issuing it as a challenge.

Looks like a challenge to me.

tonyb

nooshinjohn wrote: »

There ya go.... thanks for bringing religion into this.:biggrin:

Yeah big guy, seems of late we need a good exorcist on staff. Too many threads going to hell in a handbasket pretty quick.

jinjuku

heiney9 wrote: »

Looks like a challenge to me.

He was just having some good natured fun and I just meant as a simple comparison.

And yes I do believe in pro audio equipment used in a correct manner. Subs can be integrated into a 2.0 environment properly. That is why I run with a sealed alignment for starters.

thsmith

H9, admit to only have read the first page.

The original comment does not surprise me. When I was really into Harleys I finally understood "If I have to explain it you won't understand".

Appears that comment applies to audio.

Personally I think it comes down to first what you can afford, how passionate you are and how good your ears are.

vc69

Cripple Fight!

steveinaz

Lol!

cstmar01

In regards to the OP, I have to say I had a guy once tell me that there was no point in ever upgrading my Adcom 5802 to anything else. I said I wanted to try out a BAT amp and he told me that it was a waste of my time because it would sound the same. Same with the CDP (Pioneer DV-47AI) I was using at the time would sound the same as the Esoteric I bought.

We don't speak much anymore

inspiredsports

jinjuku wrote: »

Hey, you will have to wait as long as I am waiting. Don't let that selective memory bite you in the ****. I know where the threads are...

Any time you want to take your $1K in sub and put it up against my $1k setup let me know.

. . . my dad can beat up your dad :rolleyes:

concealer404

cstmar01 wrote: »

In regards to the OP, I have to say I had a guy once tell me that there was no point in ever upgrading my Adcom 5802 to anything else. I said I wanted to try out a BAT amp and he told me that it was a waste of my time because it would sound the same. Same with the CDP (Pioneer DV-47AI) I was using at the time would sound the same as the Esoteric I bought.

We don't speak much anymore

... So that's why you haven't called....

dkg999

"sealed alignment" - tell us more?

newrival

thsmith wrote: »

H9, admit to only have read the first page.

The original comment does not surprise me. When I was really into Harleys I finally understood "If I have to explain it you won't understand".

Appears that comment applies to audio.

Personally I think it comes down to first what you can afford, how passionate you are and how good your ears are.

Your point is a poignant one.

Hobbies seem to be that way. Whether it's audio, skydiving, motorcycles, or stamp collecting, it's about finding a personal connection with what you're doing. It's ther feeling you get from doing it, and that can't be taught, nor is it likely to be experienced identically by 2 different people.

In a subjective field such as audio (or any hobby I can think of) relative qualifiers (ie. better, worse, crappy, good, bad) are used to describe our experience of them. You'll never convince me that jumping out of a plane is more fun than jumping off a cliff with a snowboard strapped to my feet. I've tried both, and although two people may experience the identical situations, the perceived experience is often quite different.

H9's initial post was him just finding the irony in the persons statement. To the audiophile elite, the Emotiva may be chided as "crap." (This isn't me making an opinion) H9 tried to rein in the conversation away from bashing Emotiva because that wasn't his goal, even explaining to think of it generally.

While I know brand bashing was not you're intention, H9, your thread has brought an interesting sense of irony itself, through others' posts. What is the difference between the person calling $7k gear "crap," and the people calling Emotiva or pro audio gear crap? Furthermore, what makes one OPINION more correct, or incorrect, than another? H9 gave us a humorous example of one side of baseless, inflammatory commentary. CP members provided it from the other perspective.

newrival

Troy, out of curiosity, why is it your assertion that subs are not good for a 2ch system? It seems that many of the most lauded (and expensive) of systems have separate subwoofers.

ps, i'm asking in earnest

heiney9

In my opinion's and many other's opinion's here we can pass judgement on certain pieces of gear or pehaps make a general statement (although I dislike general statements most of the time) based on huge amounts of experience. Most of the really dedicated people in this hobby have been doing it a long time. Myself, for about 25-30 years. It doesn't make our (collective) opinion correct, but atleast we have a framework to make that opinion and hopefully it has some weight even if there are those that disagree.

What I cannot tolerate are people who are just into the very tip of this hobby with almost no experience making blanket statements about how high end gear is "crap", "a waste of money", "high priced cables don't matter", etc,etc,etc. I respect any person's opinion who has done the due diligence and given a solid effort to try new things, new ideas and be open minded, but has a different opinion than mine.

These types of threads always spiral dwonhill not with those of us who debate about our experiences but amongst those that feel they know everything there is to know, have all the answers and basically are trolling to push buttons when they have never tried anything in question.

I never have said Emo gear was crap.........what I have said is it's great along the lines of entry level gear moving up from a modest receiver and that it's more for HT use than serious music use. The people who want to argue are those who think it's just as good as many other popular higher priced pieces, that's certainly debateable but the debate is based on not even have tried the more popular, higher priced gear. But dismissing it as "snake oil", or all gear sounds the same, or it's a scam or why should this cost that much when it's the same components and you're paying for the name, etc, etc, etc.

H9

Fongolio

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
Albert Einstein

heiney9

The thing is I, not too long ago, was much like some of the newer members here. I only recently got into tubes, MIT cables, DAC's, etc. I was invested in the hobby but skeptical as hell about the impressive difference MIT cables would make. I was DEAD wrong.

I also had preconceived notions about tubes and what I remember them sounding like. I was DEAD, DEAD wrong and have become one of the biggest tube guru's on here.

Point being, unless I was willing to go out over the past 5 years are set aside my biases about certain things in this hobby as far as moving up the audio ladder I would never have the enjoyment I have now................never.

H9

shack

heiney9 wrote:

I never have said Emo gear was crap.........what I have said is it's great along the lines of entry level gear moving up from a modest receiver and that it's more for HT use than serious music use. The people who want to argue are those who think it's just as good as many other popular higher priced pieces, that's certainly debateable but the debate is based on not even have tried the more popular, higher priced gear. But dismissing it as "snake oil", or all gear sounds the same, or it's a scam or why should this cost that much when it's the same components and you're paying for the name, etc, etc, etc.

H9

As a general rule emo gear is rarely made fun of or bashed here (Bose is a different story and justifiably so). It's the emo fanboys that think emo is their be all end all pinnacle of the audio world...and as H9 says...without ever hearing anything better that are made fun of and bashed. The reference in the OP is an example.

I doubt I will ever own any emo gear. I've heard a couple of their amps...and quite frankly...IMO what I have now is better...and I'm not moving backward.

Ricardo

shack wrote: »

I doubt I will ever own any emo gear.

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Fine. But you need to let them know that. I still receive daily calls from them asking for you. They say they miss your calls/letters. You have to do something about this!!!

heiney9

Also to add to Shack's post, if someone here asks specifically about opinions on Emo gear then they are going to get an honest opinion. So many threads spiral downhill and mudslinging when the OP asked a specific question. The comments/opinions are NOT unsolicited like some here who are always crying foul allude to.

Are we all guilty of making over-inflammitory statements sometimes to get a point across? Sure, we all are but that should never be the crux of one's debate. There is a lot of brutal honesty on this forum and calling out of BS, that's the way it should be.

H9

shack

Ricardo wrote: »

Fine. But you need to let them know that. I still receive daily calls from them asking for you. They say they miss your calls/letters. You have to do something about this!!!

I called just yesterday to let them know...but they must have a new person answering the phone...because she hung up on me!

It's not my fault!

halo71

heiney9 wrote: »

The thing is I, not too long ago, was much like some of the newer members here. I only recently got into tubes, MIT cables, DAC's, etc. I was invested in the hobby but skeptical as hell about the impressive difference MIT cables would make. I was DEAD wrong.

I also had preconceived notions about tubes and what I remember them sounding like. I was DEAD, DEAD wrong and have become one of the biggest tube guru's on here.

Point being, unless I was willing to go out over the past 5 years are set aside my biases about certain things in this hobby as far as moving up the audio ladder I would never have the enjoyment I have now................never.

H9

+1 I have no tube gear in the 2 channel/HT rig, never had. But I have had many tube amps (and hybrids) in the guitar world from Bogner, Hughs & Kettner, Marshall to Mesa. I know how much better they sounded than SS, so I know I will like them in my stereo rig. But that was back before the lay-offs happened. lol Wish now I had put more into home audio than guitars/amps.

Preconceived notions...what is that?