Carver amps - can someone explain this?

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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited December 2010
    .02

    Snow, I really don't see anyone with an agenda in this thread besides yourself.
    Lot's of people on this forum make slanderous or otherwise negative comments about specific products regularly. Even though, in this case, I happen to agree with the OP I fail to see where he did anything worthy your incessant posting. If you disagree, say so and why. Otherwise, you have become that which you accuse him of being.

    I have never seen you acting like this before, so I am hoping that all is well with you and yours. It seems this has hit a personal cord with you and I really don't see why.

    /.02
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,603
    edited December 2010
    Grown men find the dumbest s@#t to argue over.

    Although I would like to compare a Carver to my Integra M504 some day.:biggrin:
    --Gary--
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited December 2010
    Lasareath wrote: »
    That's why I am getting the Video re-recorded by a Professional that works with a major film company. He's coming to my house sometime in January.

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110844

    Sal, I hope you understood that this is a reflection of you tube and the limitations of recording a performance of a recording of another performance, and not a reflection or "dig" towards you, your, work, or your speakers.

    look forward to that video though!
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2010
    halo71 wrote: »
    Grown men find the dumbest **** to argue over.

    Although I would like to compare a Carver to my Integra M504 some day.:biggrin:

    Can i put money on the Oinker Teggy?
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited December 2010
    vc69 wrote: »
    .02

    Snow, I really don't see anyone with an agenda in this thread besides yourself.
    Lot's of people on this forum make slanderous or otherwise negative comments about specific products regularly. Even though, in this case, I happen to agree with the OP I fail to see where he did anything worthy your incessant posting. If you disagree, say so and why. Otherwise, you have become that which you accuse him of being.

    I have never seen you acting like this before, so I am hoping that all is well with you and yours. It seems this has hit a personal cord with you and I really don't see why.

    /.02
    We obviously see two different things then. Thanks for your concern all is well with me, BTW my last post was in response to Ernie not the OP I am finished with him. This post is in regards to your inquiry not the OP also :biggrin:



    REGARDS SNOW
    Well, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all :D
  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited December 2010
    halo71 wrote: »
    Grown men find the dumbest **** to argue over.

    Although I would like to compare a Carver to my Integra M504 some day.:biggrin:


    the M504 is a great warm sounding amp.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited December 2010
    halo71 wrote: »
    Although I would like to compare a Carver to my Integra M504 some day.:biggrin:

    No need, they both suck!! :wink::biggrin::smile::tongue:














    I kid, I kid.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited December 2010
    H9 now are you comparing the amps to a Hoover?

    LOL
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited December 2010
    snow wrote: »
    We obviously see two different things then. Thanks for your concern all is well with me, BTW my last post was in response to Ernie not the OP I am finished with him. This post is in regards to your inquiry not the OP also :biggrin:



    REGARDS SNOW

    Good deal, glad to hear it man. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited December 2010
    snow wrote: »
    Wow Newrival the verbal diarrhea that spills forth from your mouth is amazing and the fact that you think people will actully buy into your lies and BS is incredibile, you really need to think a lttle bit before you run your mouth.

    Do you really think thay anyone in their right mind belives that you are going to borrow a TFM-55 from your friend to use on your SRS's after you said earlier that you had one for 8 months and you didnt like it? What do you think has changed since that time?

    And why are you so desperate to retry things that hasnt worked in the past? it makes no sense. You say you know of many better amps, fine then use them. Why even bring up Carver gear unless your looking to stir up the crap?

    The way you worded your opening statement says it all. If you truly were looking to understand why so many Polk owners like Carver gear and you actually had an experemint in mind you would have said so then.

    You are simply making up s@#t as you go along.

    Sorry I call BS your a liar and a troll.

    SNOW

    Snow, I don't understand where all this hostility is coming from, and seems uncharacteristic of you. I have no idea where you live, but if you are anywhere near me (NW suburbs of Chicago), then come check out for yourself what I've got running. You haven't added one beneficial thing to this thread except attack me and try to discredit me. I imagine you've taken this whole thing a little too close to heart and are upset that I've defended myself logically and reasonably. I'm not going to treat you any different hear than I would in person. I've shown you more respect than you've shown me, which I think is glaringly obvious. I didnt jump into an "I love Carver amps" thread and start bashing them. That would make me "a troll." I started a thread about my bad experience with Carvers, and started bashing me. So I ask, what does that make you? My suspicion is that nothing I do or say will prove anything to you. You've made up your mind and, despite all the concessions I've made to explain or accommodate to you and your demands, you still fight. You've been unable to use thoughtful discussion to refute what I say, and have instead chosen to resort to name calling and ill wishes.

    Consider this my last attempt at civility. I've seen you give good advice other places in the forum, so I know you're capable of it. But the fact is that I'll simply have to ignore you if you can't play nice.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited December 2010
    erniejade wrote: »
    H9 now are you comparing the amps to a Hoover?

    LOL

    No, something with real sucking power...........The Dyson :tongue::biggrin:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2010
    This thread sucks now. No idea what everyone's problem is.

    But i still don't like Carver SS amps in my system. :tongue:
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited December 2010
    I don't think this really needs to be posted because I think everyone else gets it, but the reason I went and picked up the amp is because many things have changed since the first time I had it in the house: different room, different cables, different pre, different source different cartridge, etc. I've said over and over that I am in aggreance with the synergy issue and feel that it just didnt work out. But now, my system is completely different. Why wouldn't I want to try it again? It's not costing me any money and my friends and I swap stuff all the time.
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited December 2010
    This thread sucks now. No idea what everyone's problem is.

    But i still don't like Carver SS amps in my system. :tongue:

    I had hoped it wouldnt get this far. It seemed like everyone was having fun with it for a time. I don't know, maybe I should start a new thread about my experiments over the holidays.

    I think maybe i'll just take my own advice and ignore when someone tries to wreck a thread. I thought if I just supported the issue logically and irrefutably he'd have to stop when faced with the truth, but it appears some people just don't let the truth get in the way of their opinions. I'm more inclined to give people a few extra chances. and amps too :wink:
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  • snow
    snow Posts: 4,337
    edited December 2010
    newrival wrote: »
    I don't think this really needs to be posted because I think everyone else gets it, but the reason I went and picked up the amp is because many things have changed since the first time I had it in the house: different room, different cables, different pre, different source different cartridge, etc. I've said over and over that I am in aggreance with the synergy issue and feel that it just didnt work out. But now, my system is completely different. Why wouldn't I want to try it again? It's not costing me any money and my friends and I swap stuff all the time.
    If it still sucks after you get it hooked up then list your components and I will assist in any way I can to help you achieve the sound your looking for, if it still sucks to your ears after everyone here offers suggestions and you simply dont like the sound thats fine we dont all like the same sound.

    Merry Christmas to you and yours.

    REGARDS SNOW
    Well, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all :D
  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited December 2010
    erniejade - I love the Sunfire amps that I've heard! I've been trying to track down a sinature amp and thats what got me started on this whole subject. I was think, "man, here I am looking for a Sunfire, and I had such terrible results with Carver amp. There's got to be something to this." I've heard the Sunfire Symphonic and The original Sunfire and those were some of the best SS I've ever heard. Which isn't saying a lot I guess because I've never heard any of the ultra-premium SS amps. But I love those Sunfires! I knew you said you had one. But you're dead on, their great. I know we briefly discussed te Carver/Sunfire thing when you stopped out, and you're right they're completely different animals to me.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2010
    newrival wrote: »
    I had hoped it wouldnt get this far. It seemed like everyone was having fun with it for a time. I don't know, maybe I should start a new thread about my experiments over the holidays.

    Please don't. I don't know that the database can handle another crapstorm like this one. :tongue: (i kid, i kid)

    Try all the gear you can and tell us about it. I'll live vicariously through you, since i haven't tried a single piece of new gear in about a year.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited December 2010
    Wow, you know what the great thing about this country is...or at least one of the great things? If you don't like something....you don't have to buy it. You don't have to listen to it.

    FWIW, I've had a lot of Carver amps....some I've liked better than others but never thought that they sounded bad at all. YMMV. Don't like 'em? Cool, buy another brand.

    BDT
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,603
    edited December 2010
    I'll live vicariously through you, since i haven't tried a single piece of new gear in about a year.

    Sadly I am in the same boat. :frown: Well unless you consider the $4.00 Celestion bookshelves I found at the Goodwill a few weeks back. :tongue:
    --Gary--
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited December 2010
    ......my opinion may have changed if i had different ears....

    There's something very profound in that statement.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2010
    halo71 wrote: »
    Sadly I am in the same boat. :frown: Well unless you include the $4.00 Celestion bookshelves I found at the Goodwill a few weeks back. :tongue:

    Can't decide if it's because i'm happy with what i've got, or because i just haven't had time. I try not to upgrade on a "just cuz" basis, as i'd be broke constantly. :tongue:
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2010
    Ricardo wrote: »
    There's something very profound in that statement.

    Every once in a while something good can be filtered out of the words i usually vomit all over the forum. :redface:
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,603
    edited December 2010
    Can't decide if it's because i'm happy with what i've got, or because i just haven't had time. I try not to upgrade on a "just cuz" basis, as i'd be broke constantly. :tongue:

    I think if I could get my hands on a nice tubed pre or a pair of SDA's I would be happy(er) for a while! Not being broke?? What's that like? :tongue:
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited December 2010
    halo71 wrote: »
    I think if I could get my hands on a nice tubed pre or a pair of SDA's I would be happy(er) for a while! Not being broke?? What's that like? :tongue:

    It's been nice, but i'll leave that status shortly as i build two cars for autox duty over the winter. :frown:
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited December 2010
    @erniejade

    As a side note: I realized something about our McIntosh discussion. The mac amp I had tried was apparently a very early solid state, which my friend told me were notoriously bad (relative to their usual quality baseline. god i'd hate to piss even MORE people off). Based on how you described yours, He told me the one you have likely sounds much better than the one he let me borrow.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited December 2010
    Sunfire is better sounding than the recent Carver amps I;ve heard, but certainly not the best SS I've ever heard, IMO of course.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited December 2010
    I'm still convinced this was a baited thread with a sharp stick and an agenda and a preformed opinion to see who would bite.

    And for what...to brand bash?

    Must be a slow week...

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited December 2010
    Got ya on the McIntosh the 2105 is not a bad sounding amp at all. It is heavy though75+ lbs without the wood! I just like to try out different things. If you want, after I have my sling off and I can actually pick the stuff up, i have no problem bringing the 2105 or the sig II to your place to try out on your rig. BTW i also have a 300x2 now coming ... Im sick LOL. Eventually I need to sell some ( not the sig II or the amazings will have nothing to run them)
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited December 2010
    Please don't. I don't know that the database can handle another crapstorm like this one. :tongue: (i kid, i kid)

    Try all the gear you can and tell us about it. I'll live vicariously through you, since i haven't tried a single piece of new gear in about a year.

    HA! I think you may be right.

    I'll definitely switch out a lot of stuff and report back. My friend even gave me a bunch of tubes for the audible illusions pre, so I can roll those in the mix too. I'm hoping that once I get everything dialed in I'll be able to sit with what I have for a few years. not likely, i guess. :biggrin:
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited December 2010
    erniejade wrote: »
    Got ya on the McIntosh the 2105 is not a bad sounding amp at all. It is heavy though75+ lbs without the wood! I just like to try out different things. If you want, after I have my sling off and I can actually pick the stuff up, i have no problem bringing the 2105 or the sig II to your place to try out on your rig. BTW i also have a 300x2 now coming ... Im sick LOL. Eventually I need to sell some ( not the sig II or the amazings will have nothing to run them)


    Sounds great. I love listening to different gear.

    I thought for certain you'd do that Bryston trade. Change your mind?

    and I think we're all a little sick...
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