TSA is sure classy

kevhed72

What is it going to take to stop all the bitching about the TSA in the media....oh, I know. Another a@@hole to take down an aircraft over American soil...that should do it. If you don't like it, don't fly. Getting on an airplane is like driving a car...its not a right, its a privledge. Yes, as to be expected, a government agency did a terrible job of communicating the new procedures before the fact, and explaining why they were implemented. Funny how the largest, by far, Governement Agency (Dept. of Homeland Security, which includes the TSA) was created overnight after 9/11, and nobody bitched about the size and scope of this multi-billion dollar agency at the time.

bobman1235

kevhed72 wrote: »

What is it going to take to stop all the bitching about the TSA in the media....oh, I know. Another a@@hole to take down an aircraft over American soil...that should do it. If you don't like it, don't fly.

Actually, that should INCREASE the bitching, sinc eit means all these "safety procedures" accomplish exactly NOTHING.

Since its inception, the TSA has spent roughly 40 BILLION dollars. After a recent audit of security procedures, Homeland Security's Inspector General, Richard Skinner, said "The ability of TSA screeners to stop prohibited items from being carried through the sterile areas of the airports fared no better than the performance of screeners prior to September 11, 2001."

Reactionary and simple-minded people see a need for increased security, and just assume that EVERYTHING done in the name of that is fair game. People who actually have the capacity for rational thought understand that there are effective ways to do things, and then there are just gross injustices that accomplish nothing but placating the aforementioned group of morons.

Demiurge

kevhed72 wrote: »

What is it going to take to stop all the bitching about the TSA in the media....oh, I know. Another a@@hole to take down an aircraft over American soil...that should do it. If you don't like it, don't fly. Getting on an airplane is like driving a car...its not a right, its a privledge. Yes, as to be expected, a government agency did a terrible job of communicating the new procedures before the fact, and explaining why they were implemented. Funny how the largest, by far, Governement Agency (Dept. of Homeland Security, which includes the TSA) was created overnight after 9/11, and nobody bitched about the size and scope of this multi-billion dollar agency at the time.

Umm, that would mean all of this theater wasn't working.

Furthermore, if airlines want to have their own private security and do all of these things, fine. Alas, its the federal government. Private companies would never be pulling this crap. They'd be efficient and practical.

nooshinjohn

bobman1235 wrote: »

I'd say when it comes to a point of not even understanding what "****" means, whether you accept it or not? Probably.

The idea that "conservative beliefs rooted in founding principles" would somehow include exclusion and persecution of a group is pretty backwards in my mind, honestly.

My post has nothing to do with the comments about how ****'s percieve the new screenings. True conservative principles must be and are accepting of the way others choose to exercise their individual liberties, and exclude nobody. If someone says they are a conservative and person "A" is going to hell for "blablablah" they are not a true conservative and are as much a part of the problem as any progressive I have ever known.

bobman1235

nooshinjohn wrote: »

My post has nothing to do with the comments about how ****'s percieve the new screenings. True conservative principles must be and are accepting of the way others choose to exercise their individual liberties, and exclude nobody. If someone says they are a conservative and person "A" is going to hell for "blablablah" they are not a true conservative and are as much a part of the problem as any progressive I have ever known.

I missed that in your post; unfortunately message boards aren't the perfect communication medium. Apologies for misunderstandings.

Demiurge

Young male Muslims carry box cutters on to planes -- Everyone needs to be searched for sharp objects.

Young male Muslims carry liquid explosive on to planes -- Everyone needs to be limited to 3oz of liquids, such as shampoo.

Young male Muslims pack bombs in their dookie drawers and on to planes -- Everyone needs to be groped to get on a plane (or go through invasive scanners).

Seems we're missing the obvious common denominator. Young male Muslims.

Of course, in our hypersensitive society we're not going to employ any brainpower here. We're going to make sure we don't potentially hurt the feelings of any young male Muslims who are fine, upstanding citizens...or catch the ones that aren't!

nooshinjohn

Demiurge wrote: »

Of course, in our hypersensitive society we're not going to employ any brainpower here. We're going to make sure we don't potentially hurt the feelings of any young male Muslims who are fine, upstanding citizens...or catch the ones that aren't!

You forget that hurting their feelings is why they are "lashing out" at us in the first place. Perhaps if we bow to them and humbly submit ourselves to their will... maybe they won't hurt us anymore.

Sometimes I feel as if I live in Nambi-Pamby Land(thanks Geico) instead of the U.S.A.

Demiurge

If any one should be offended it is definitely the ones who fit the profile -- however that anger ought to be directed at those who caused the profile to exist in the first place. Before I bought my current home I leased a condo from one such gentlemen...it was refreshing to hear him speak out with more ferocity at those people than I have ever mustered. Unfortunately, he's an anomaly in that he actually used his voice. He lost 2 loved ones on 9/11.

The only land lord I ever had give me a Christmas (used the word, even!) card and nice bottle of wine every year, too.

bobman1235

Demiurge wrote: »

If any one should be offended it is definitely the ones who fit the profile -- however that anger ought to be directed at those who caused the profile to exist in the first place. Before I bought my current home I leased a condo from one such gentlemen...it was refreshing to hear him speak out with more ferocity at those people than I have ever mustered. Unfortunately, he's an anomaly in that he actually used his voice. He lost 2 loved ones on 9/11.

The only land lord I ever had give me a Christmas (used the word, even!) card and nice bottle of wine every year, too.

You can actually relate this to trying to rent an apartment as a college-aged kid. I remember me and all of my nerdy, but mostly well-behaved friends trying to find off-campus housing during college, and having to deal with being "profiled" because we fit the outline of the type of people who would DESTROY an apartment. We weren't pissed at the landlords for trying to get ridiculous security deposits, we were pissed at all the stereotypical douchebag frat boys who came before us.

PhantomOG

Who pays for the TSA? It should be directly added to the ticket cost. If flying is not a right, no one should have to pay not to fly.

PhantomOG

Pilots and now flight attendants can skip scanners.
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory?id=12226452

Next it will be the janitors and the fast food employees. How hard do you think it is to get one of these jobs? How hard is it to become a TSA agent even??

Ah... the sweet sweet illusion of safety.

Demiurge

In the state of Arizona they give their police officers the discretion to ask the legal status of someone they pull over. Our federal government has had an absolute conniption fit over that.

However, the very same federal government says its more than OK for the TSA to take scans showing you in the buff or fondle you in order to get on an airplane.

Huh....

messiah

Demiurge wrote: »

In the state of Arizona they give their police officers the discretion to ask the legal status of someone they pull over. Our federal government has had an absolute conniption fit over that.

However, the very same federal government says its more than OK for the TSA to take scans showing you in the buff or fondle you in order to get on an airplane.

Huh....

It's the whiny sniveling special interest groups with their stupid "but it's not fair" argument going to Washington to beg the liberals to do something about it that causes many of these problems, like the one in Arizona. Our constitution makes no provision for illegal aliens in this country, but if we if we profile for hispanic individuals that don't speak english it's profiling and "it's not fair". If we kick them out "it's not fair". If we screen young Muslim males more carefully than some red haired freckled girl from Iowa, It's profiling, and "it's not fair".

I don't normally ask for anything from Santa for Christmas. If I want something, I just go buy it. This year is different. I want something that money can't buy:

Common sense to be common.


I'm also not holding my breath.

madmax

It always comes down to liberals and their lack of insite... However I do ask Santa for stuff.

inspiredsports

bobman1235 wrote: »

Actually, that should INCREASE the bitching, sinc eit means all these "safety procedures" accomplish exactly NOTHING.

Since its inception, the TSA has spent roughly 40 BILLION dollars. After a recent audit of security procedures, Homeland Security's Inspector General, Richard Skinner, said "The ability of TSA screeners to stop prohibited items from being carried through the sterile areas of the airports fared no better than the performance of screeners prior to September 11, 2001."

Reactionary and simple-minded people see a need for increased security, and just assume that EVERYTHING done in the name of that is fair game. People who actually have the capacity for rational thought understand that there are effective ways to do things, and then there are just gross injustices that accomplish nothing but placating the aforementioned group of morons.

Exactly. How many freedoms will we give up to be PRECISELY as safe/unsafe as we were prior to 9/11?

inspiredsports

nooshinjohn wrote: »

You forget that hurting their feelings is why they are "lashing out" at us in the first place. Perhaps if we bow to them and humbly submit ourselves to their will... maybe they won't hurt us anymore.

Sometimes I feel as if I live in Nambi-Pamby Land(thanks Geico) instead of the U.S.A.

I think actually it may be more a case of vocal progressive minority nambi-pamby, and mostly silent-majority "normal".

zombie boy 2000

And which "group" just happens to be the most vocal in this thread???

inspiredsports

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

And which "group" just happens to be the most vocal in this thread???

Hopefully, in uncharacteristic form, the majority. That would really be nice . . . and sensible.

nooshinjohn

inspiredsports wrote: »

Hopefully, in uncharacteristic form, the majority. That would really be nice.

Plus 1 to this. The silent MAJORITY is silent no more. We are mad as hell and we aren't taking it anymore!:cool:

inspiredsports

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Plus 1 to this. The silent MAJORITY is silent no more. We are mad as hell and we aren't taking it anymore!:cool:

Yep . . . I just hope it isn't too late.

madmax

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Plus 1 to this. The silent MAJORITY is silent no more. We are mad as hell and we aren't taking it anymore!:cool:

I hear Twisted Sister in the background.

inspiredsports

madmax wrote: »

I hear Twisted Sister in the background.

Except they were writing those lyrics from the exact OPPOSITE perspective of your example

tonyb

Demiurge wrote: »

Young male Muslims carry box cutters on to planes -- Everyone needs to be searched for sharp objects.

Young male Muslims carry liquid explosive on to planes -- Everyone needs to be limited to 3oz of liquids, such as shampoo.

Young male Muslims pack bombs in their dookie drawers and on to planes -- Everyone needs to be groped to get on a plane (or go through invasive scanners).

Seems we're missing the obvious common denominator. Young male Muslims.

Of course, in our hypersensitive society we're not going to employ any brainpower here. We're going to make sure we don't potentially hurt the feelings of any young male Muslims who are fine, upstanding citizens...or catch the ones that aren't!

Exactly bro. The lack of common sense and problem solving skills is nowhere to be found. If I suspect someone who might do harm to my family, the last thing I'm worried about is hurting their feelings.

FTGV

Save the world,hug a terrorist.

messiah

FTGV wrote: »

Save the world, kill a terrorist.

Fixed :biggrin:

wuz_maximillian

FTGV wrote: »

Save the world,hug a terrorist.

A big bear hug with a real bear. These scumbags don't deserve compassion.

tonyb

FTGV wrote: »

Save the world,hug a terrorist.

....and then press that red button on his belt ?

nooshinjohn

Demiurge wrote: »

Security FAIL: Mythbuster Says He Passed TSA Scan With 12-Inch Razor Blades

Since airport security horror stories seem to be the prevalent news item at the moment, Eyeblast released this video Tuesday which shows Adam Savage speaking to an audience at an event called wOOtstock 2.0 in Seattle last May. Savage, of Mythbusters fame, claims that he accidentally passed through one of the new controversial full-body scanners carrying two “12-inch razor blades.”

Content warning: contains some graphic language.

he should have been...




wait for it....




just a second more....













BUSTED!!!:biggrin

messiah

LOL

kevhed72

bobman1235 wrote: »

Actually, that should INCREASE the bitching, sinc eit means all these "safety procedures" accomplish exactly NOTHING.

Since its inception, the TSA has spent roughly 40 BILLION dollars. After a recent audit of security procedures, Homeland Security's Inspector General, Richard Skinner, said "The ability of TSA screeners to stop prohibited items from being carried through the sterile areas of the airports fared no better than the performance of screeners prior to September 11, 2001."

Reactionary and simple-minded people see a need for increased security, and just assume that EVERYTHING done in the name of that is fair game. People who actually have the capacity for rational thought understand that there are effective ways to do things, and then there are just gross injustices that accomplish nothing but placating the aforementioned group of morons.

My point was...do people actually want NO screening before getting on an airplane??? And if there was no screening, and then another plane went down, then everyone would be too SCARED to do any bitching about the screening, just as FEAR played such a huge role on the public mindset post 9/11....now we are stuck with the largest government agency ever.
I guess the common sense solution to all these terrible infringements on my rights as an American is to not allow young Muslims to fly at all. Just think of the cost savings alone!