Oh no....

steveinaz

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100428/ts_csm/297622

Oh darn. Maybe "Kali" should focus a little more on its own massive internal problems, and worry a little less about how other states do business.

I'd personally recommend that any former Californians, now living in Arizona, show their solidarity by moving back to California. Afterall, we do a silly thing here; we enforce the law, and who of you wants that?

If the Fed wants to clean this up, lighten up on the criteria to become a citizen---SIMPLE. But quit doing the "look the other way" crap, and grow a pair.

"Illegal" and "against the law" mean the same thing to those with common sense.

F1nut

I think the rest of the nation should boycott California.

nooshinjohn

Maybe you could start asking Kalifornians to show their ID's...


I agree 110% with the good people of Arizona.

steveinaz

2 words in response to California's boycott of Arizona---THANK YOU!

Darn shame that it takes a woman, Governer Jan Brewer to display the cajones to force the Fed to act. Bravo Gov Brewer!

nooshinjohn

steveinaz wrote: »

2 words in response to California's boycott of Arizona---THANK YOU!

Somehow Steve, I doubt your voracity here. I think you wanted to say something very different here...:rolleyes::D

steveinaz

No, sincerely California---THANK YOU. THEN, have the courage of your convictions and sell any land you own here in Arizona back to an Arizonan. Be committed to your cause!

Jstas

If I could speak for the state, I would thumb my nose at California and pledge undying support to Arizona.

But alas, I don't speak for the state, just myself, but the pledge stays the same.

I'm glad to see Arizona taking a tougher stance on illegal immigration that the last three administrations (including the current one) said they would do and failed miserably at it.

For those that don't understand the implications, current laws in other states basically provide for illegal immigrants to be rounded up and deported back to Mexico or where ever they came from. By outlawing being an illegal immigrant, it turns it from a civil penalty into a criminal penalty. Those who violate the law can now be held and penalized with fines and/or jailtime. Granted, jail life would probably be preferrable to how some of them live but it is still a deterrent.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to enforce and if they do try to enforce it, some ACLU pro-bono lawyerin' dude is going to step up for the high-profile case to make a career for himself by fighting it.

comfortablycurt

If it comes down to it, I'm on Cali's side of this one. No real reason. I just am.

Chalk that up to the fact that I'm moving there in a few years though.:) I can't wait to hit that SDA goldmine that seems to exist on the west coast...:cool:

nooshinjohn

comfortablycurt wrote: »

If it comes down to it, I'm on Cali's side of this one. No real reason. I just am.

Chalk that up to the fact that I'm moving there in a few years though.:) I can't wait to hit that SDA goldmine that seems to exist on the west coast...:cool:

When you get there and see the sespool that southern Cali has become due to illegals everywhere, you will absolutely change your mind.

steveinaz

I just don't care for their style of political blackmail---"be like us, or we'll ram it down your throat" approach. F them, you got nothing we need. This is how the disease spreads...

comfortablycurt

nooshinjohn wrote: »

When you get there and see the sespool that southern Cali has become due to illegals everywhere, you will absolutely change your mind.

I highly doubt that.

Anyway, I'm not going to SoCal(aside from visiting there). I'm going to northern Cali in Humboldt County...I've got a lot of friends out that way...and I've visited there several times. I couldn't think of anywhere I'd rather be.

I don't let politics influence my decisions in these respects.



Besides, if I want to see a bunch of illegal immigrants, all I've gotta do is go to Sterling, the next town over from me. They have a very high percentage of people there that can't even speak English. Most grocery store workers there are required to be bilingual, so they can help out the customers. It's pretty bad.

If you're gonna come to America, learn how to freakin speak English!!!

nooshinjohn

comfortablycurt wrote: »

I highly doubt that.

Anyway, I'm not going to SoCal(aside from visiting there). I'm going to northern Cali in Humboldt County...I've got a lot of friends out that way...and I've visited there several times. I couldn't think of anywhere I'd rather be.

I don't let politics influence my decisions in these respects.

Does the rule of law come into play anywhere? Illegal means just that... You are breaking the LAW. One look at Mexico's policy with regard to illegals will make you cringe, and it involves JAIL TIME. We on the other hand have devalued what citizenship means so much that we don't even care where are elected officials come from anymore. I could care less if Mork from Ork were to show up and want to come live in the U.Sof A. All it takes is to knock on the door of a U.S. Embasy and ask for the proper forms, and wait your turn. If he just shows up one day looking for work without doing it the right way, then detain and deport, period.

It took my wife and her family TWENTY YEARS to come here legally, and that too is wrong, but they waited their turn and did it the right way. I expect the law of the land to be respected by anyone that wants to be here. If the first action taken by someone wanting to come here is to BREAK our laws, they should be sent back and never allowed here again.

AsSiMiLaTeD

"I don't let politics influence my decisions in these respects."

Politics plays a big part in how much of your money you have to hand over to the state. Have fun...

steveinaz

I have absolutely nothing against the Mexican people. I love the culture they provide to the southwest and Arizona, as the vast majority of Arizonans do. But come here legally. Our BIG concern isn't your typical migrant worker, these are usually very fine/wonderful people, trying to make a life for themselves--and I respect that--but it's the criminal (and terrorist) element that worries border states. You have to have uniform law--much as many of us would like to make exceptions--you just can't govern that way. That's why I suggest that naturalization procedures be re-looked. We can't have millions of people using US/Arizona resources and not paying taxes, not paying into SS, and getting free health care; on the rest of us (U.S.).

hearingimpared

I heard about this on the talk radio station I listen to today and couldn't believe my ears. It seems it is coming out of San Fran correct?

I was gonna say right instead of correct but that would wrong hehehe!!!!

exalted512

OMG. You mean they want to make doing something illegal a crime?!?!?

Another reason why CA is the **** of America.

"“This is a draconian enforcement approach that, if expanded [to] other states, would have a crippling effect on the entire national economy,” says Raul Hinjosa-Ojeda, an associate professor of Chicana/Chicano studies at UCLA"

Since when does CA know anything about economics? I know my state on the higher end of state debts, but no where near what CA is.

I wish they it would fall into the ocean already.
-Cody

hearingimpared

exalted512 wrote: »

OMG. You mean they want to make doing something illegal a crime?!?!?

Another reason why CA is the **** of America.

"“This is a draconian enforcement approach that, if expanded [to] other states, would have a crippling effect on the entire national economy,” says Raul Hinjosa-Ojeda, an associate professor of Chicana/Chicano studies at UCLA"

Since when does CA know anything about economics? I know my state on the higher end of state debts, but no where near what CA is.

I wish they it would fall into the ocean already.
-Cody

It's already a crime on the federal books, it's just not enforced. Cheers to Arizona for having the guts to enforce the existing law!

steveinaz

For those who don't live in a border state, you see about .5% of what actually goes on, on the news. It's getting seriously dangerous as border town drug wars get more and more intense---this violence is spilling into southern Arizona, as witnessed by the rancher gunned down on his property. This use to be very rare, not anymore. The cartels are feeling more and more pressure as we continue to seal the cracks, so they are beginning to push back, at it's going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better.

nooshinjohn

Mexico's Governmenty policies with regards to Illegals... Just some FYI. How are these for "Draconian".

– The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?

– If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

– Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment.

– Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

– Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

- Among other things, you will never OWN property (ie. your own home) even if you were to renounce your citizenship and bleed the colors of Mexico.

steveinaz

California better start focusing on making friends, they are quickly losing corporations to cheaper locations such as Nevada, Utah, and Arizona because of excessive costs and extremely high tax rates.

Their "threats" are laughable, and Gov Brewer knows it. Anytime you piss Cali politicans off, it's a clear sign you're on the right track.

steveinaz

Gotta love this:

Exerpt from the article:

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California wields a big stick when it threatens Arizona with sanctions such as these, says Hinjosa-Ojeda. “They are trying to do an economic recovery and this will hopefully get them to reconsider this legislation,” he says.
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So, destroy Arizona's economy because we choose to enforce the law. Nice Kali, real nice--who side are you on MORONS? Let the law-abiding US citizens of Arizona suffer, because you don't like our approach to securing the country. That's just so "California" isn't it?

Face

I wish the rest of the country would follow AZ's example.

steveinaz

I ask that those of you who support this, send Gov Brewer a message from her website, showing support:

http://www.azgovernor.gov/Contact.asp

steveinaz

Here you go, just today:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/92244c78-53c8-11df-97fa-001cc4c03286.html

Barefoot

I think there is going to be some constitutional problems with the bill. But California telling Arizona how to govern is like pot/kettle/black.

Comprehensive immigration reform is needed. The borders are broken. But do it within the constraints of the law.

steveinaz

Exactly:

1. Secure the border (both structurally, and with more Border agents)
2. Possible limited amnesty for illegals that can demonstrate a good working history in the US, and who pass background checks and would otherwise qualify under (3) below.
3. Re-visit the requirements to become a US citizen. Keep the laws that ensure safety/security, but reacess other "administrative" requirements.
4. Monetarily punish businesses that hire illegals (already the law in Arizona).

ryanjoachim

Get rid of the illegals and you have a HUGE employment boom (which at first no one will want to fill).

You always hear people saying "but (illegal) mexicans do the jobs no one else wants to do!". I can guarantee you those jobs would be filled by someone, be it legal immigrant or good 'ole white boys. If I needed a job to support my family, i'd go pick cherries. I'd hate it, and wouldn't be very good at all, but I'd do it.

ryanjoachim

steveinaz wrote: »

Exactly:

1. Secure the border (both structurally, and with more Border agents)
2. Possible limited amnesty for illegals that can demonstrate a good working history in the US, and who pass background checks and would otherwise qualify under (3) below.
3. Re-visit the requirements to become a US citizen. Keep the laws that ensure safety/security, but reacess other requirements.
4. Monetarily punish businesses that hire illegals (already the law in Arizona).

I say take out the required "knowledge" of the US history as part of the test. Some of the information they're forced to learn is stuff that I don't remember anymore. Is it OK that I don't remember?...not really.

But it just goes to show that we should focus on more important requirements than them knowing who the 24th President was.

Huck344

It's an election year. AZ passes the immigration law. Pols such as McCain reverse previous course to get votes. CA Pols call for economic boycotts to get their own votes.

It doesn't surprise me that AZ did this. They are the same state that refused to recognize MLK day until they lost the Super Bowl.

Danny Tse

The City of San Francisco should really look after its own "backyard", instead of butting into whatever AZ is doing.

How about repaving some of the pothole-ridden streets? Or protecting citizens from being attacked at the bus stops by teenage thugs? Or how about not having one of its buses run over someone each and everyday?

steveinaz

This whole racial profiling thing gets on my nerves too. Of course it's racial profiling, here's an example of racial profiling:

A murder has been committed, a witness reports seeing a tall, slim, white male near the area when the crime occurred. A slim, tall white male is seen walking the streets a few blocks over, and is questioned by police. Is this illegal? Is this racially motivated? No, it's called using common sense. "Racial Profiling" is a "duh" phrase. If you're looking for white male, would you bother questioning a black male? The PC police love this phrase, it sounds really, really intelligent ya know.

Profiling is a method of criminal investigation, IT IS NOT A BAD WORD. You may be profiled as a race, certain height/weight, complexion, motive, cultural clothing cues, etc.

Don't ask me how the Border Patrol does it, but I work with many Mexican/Amercian employees on the Fort. When I asked a few of my friends if they ever catch any flak at our border check-point, they all say "nope." The BP does a very good job of trying not to offend, and they are damn good at knowing who to ask the right questions to.