Okay, a completely new discovery for me - Music Server - Questions...
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*sigh*
Now I am even more confused than I was before. I thought I had read earlier in this thread that the CDP didn't matter when doing a rip. It's just reading the 1's and 0's. Then their were a couple of programs (one in particular) that offered pretty much a guaranty that it was bit for bit perfect....and that this file went into an SSD, computer or server bit for bit perfect, with no degradation to the sound.
I can return the CD drive, no worries there.
Let me ask you guys this......since they apparently DO make a difference. What is the difference between CD readers/drives that I would need to concern myself with? Is it the quality of the laser? Quality of the circuit that sends the signal? What's the difference and how could this possibly affect things, since all it is doing is reading the disc and transferring the data?
I mean, if I want a decent CD player to play CD's, I still do have my Jolida CDP. Could that be used instead? What about using the Marantz?
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Let me ask you guys this......since they apparently DO make a difference. What is the difference between CD readers/drives that I would need to concern myself with? Is it the quality of the laser? Quality of the circuit that sends the signal? What's the difference and how could this possibly affect things, since all it is doing is reading the disc and transferring the data?
The difference isn't in the rip. It's reliability and speed. In my experience with computer drives. LG's are slow and don't last very long. Same with slim drives.
And if you are ripping a collection, a difference of 10 minutes a disc can add up to hours very quickly.
As stated before, I have only seen LG or Lite-on made drives for the last decade or more. I bought a few in 2017 or 2018, when I noticed availability declining, and prices rising. You used to be able to get retail versions of Asus or Lite-On branded drives for $12 at Newegg. No more.
Asus seems the most widely available.
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Tom, I think I said any decent drive, and I said specifically to avoid slimline drives. That Amazon product is some abomination of a USB hub, card reader and disc reader. I doubt it excels at anything.
Your solution it to follow my links. Don't overthink it.
There is no way to really compare the lasers etc these days.
For the software to work correctly the drive has to support Secure Rip. Pretty much all the current 5.25" internal style drives will meet that criteria. Other than that it is like WilliamM2 said above. Speed and reliability. Slimline drives are typically much slower and the mechanism is not as durable.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
I should probably buy an extra for my computer.
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I got rid of a nice old LiteOn drive last week when I scrapped a Compaq 4505 minitower (Win95 and all).
I did think about saving it, but even I have my limits. The 'pute had been sitting around for a couple of decades in its original packaging.
As an interesting aside, the 14" CRT Compaq monitor that came bundled with it also came with a couple of slip-on, side-mount "Polk Audio" speakers.
The monitor & speakers are long gone, though (I am pleased to report).
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mhardy6647 wrote: »I got rid of a nice old LiteOn drive last week when I scrapped a Compaq 4505 minitower (Win95 and all). I did think about saving it, but even I have my limits. The 'pute had been sitting around for a couple of decades in its original packaging.
As an interesting aside, the 14" CRT Compaq monitor that came bundled with it also came with a couple of slip-on, side-mount "Polk Audio" speakers. The monitor & speakers are long gone, though (I am pleased to report).
Those early IDE/PATA drives were not great at ripping. I had a lot of jittery rips in the early days. Software wasn't great back then either. Once SATA took over, reliable rips became the norm. I think by 2005, I never had a bad rip.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
IMO, Tom would save himself a lot of time, money, and space if he just contacted Aurender, or used their online tool to get a recommendation on the most suitable server/streamer.
There should be zero concern about noise with Aurender. I have only ever heard raves about sound quality with them as well.CD Players: Sony CDP-211; Sony DVP-S9000ES; Sony UDP-X800M2 (x2); Cambridge Audio CXC
DACs: Jolida Glass FX Tube DAC III (x2); Denafrips Ares II (x2)
Streamers: ROKU (x3); Bluesound Node 2i and Node N130 w/LHY LPS // Receivers: Yamaha RX-V775BT; Yamaha RX-V777
Preamps: B&K Ref 50; B&K Ref 5 S2; Classe CP-800 MkII; Audio Research SP16L (soon)
Amps: Niles SI-275; B&K ST125.7; B&K ST125.2; Classe CA-2300; Butler Audio TDB-5150
Speakers: Boston Acoustics CR55; Focal Chorus 705v; Wharfedale Diamond 10.2; Monitor Audio Silver-1; Def Tech Mythos One (x4)/Mythos Three Center (x2)/Mythos Two pr.; Martin Logan Electromotion ESL; Legacy Audio Victoria/Silverscreen Center; Gallo Acoustics Reference 3.1; SVS SB-1000 Pro; REL HT-1003; B&W ASW610; HifiMan HE400i
Turntable: Dual 721 Direct-Drive w/Audio Technica AT-VM95e cart
Cables: Tripp-lite 14ga. PCs, Blue Jeans Cable ICs, Philips PXT1000 ICs; Kimber Kable DV30 coaxial ICs; Canare L-4E6S XLR ICs; Kimber Kable 8PR & 8TC speaker cables. -
The Aurender app is also excellent.
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IMO, Tom would save himself a lot of time, money, and space if he just contacted Aurender, or used their online tool to get a recommendation on the most suitable server/streamer.
There should be zero concern about noise with Aurender. I have only ever heard raves about sound quality with them as well.
Hmmmm....
I took you off of ignore, as this is a new year and folks need another chance. Yet, here you ares....doing the same thing you always do. While I always appreciate recommendations? I'd like to hear it from folks who have ACTUAL experience. Not "experience" with what they read online. Anybody can do that. It amounts to.......doesn't matter.
You were put on ignore by me because you were telling me what I heard in MY OWN SYSTEM, with you never hearing it!!! I gave you a second chance and this is the first post I read from you since your release? Damn, man. Really?
I gave you a second chance because Ron (respected member and good friend) had mentioned you in another thread. Unfortunately? I do not need to read any more from you. Sad.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
That said? I am abandoning the server thing for now and improving on the digital side of the reproductive effort again. Eh? We shall see how it goes...
At this point? I am looking long term/picture.
Justin? I'll give you a few more posts. That's all I will say about that.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
That said? I am abandoning the server thing for now and improving on the digital side of the reproductive effort again. Eh? We shall see how it goes...
At this point? I am looking long term/picture.
Justin? I'll give you a few more posts. That's all I will say about that.
Tom
Server or not, I still think you should at least take a little time to rip some of your favorite 'special version' redbook CDs and get them into FLAC or WAV. Whether you host them on a server or play them from a portable SSD/thumbdrive by USB connection to the Lumin, I think you will appreciate the sound quality and the ability to play back some of those recordings that are not available on Qobuz.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore... -
I'd like to hear it from folks who have ACTUAL experience. Not "experience" with what they read online.
I've reviewed two Aurender units, you can take a read here if you're interested:
https://theaudiobeatnik.com/review-aurender-a100-network-music-server-and-streamer/
https://theaudiobeatnik.com/aurender-a200-caching-music-server-review/
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IMO, Tom would save himself a lot of time, money, and space if he just contacted Aurender, or used their online tool to get a recommendation on the most suitable server/streamer.
There should be zero concern about noise with Aurender. I have only ever heard raves about sound quality with them as well.
Hmmmm....
I took you off of ignore, as this is a new year and folks need another chance. Yet, here you ares....doing the same thing you always do. While I always appreciate recommendations? I'd like to hear it from folks who have ACTUAL experience. Not "experience" with what they read online. Anybody can do that. It amounts to.......doesn't matter.
You were put on ignore by me because you were telling me what I heard in MY OWN SYSTEM, with you never hearing it!!! I gave you a second chance and this is the first post I read from you since your release? Damn, man. Really?
I gave you a second chance because Ron (respected member and good friend) had mentioned you in another thread. Unfortunately? I do not need to read any more from you. Sad.
TomThat said? I am abandoning the server thing for now and improving on the digital side of the reproductive effort again. Eh? We shall see how it goes...
At this point? I am looking long term/picture.
Justin? I'll give you a few more posts. That's all I will say about that.
Tom
Self-aware much, Tom?
First of all, I don’t need a second chance from you (as though I’m at your mercy; LOL).
For the record, you put me on ignore, b/c I called out your bullSchiit, and you couldn’t handle it.
It’s the same “I’m up here, and you’re down there.” attitude reflected in your above posts.
If you need your ego stroked, you won’t get that from me.
CD Players: Sony CDP-211; Sony DVP-S9000ES; Sony UDP-X800M2 (x2); Cambridge Audio CXC
DACs: Jolida Glass FX Tube DAC III (x2); Denafrips Ares II (x2)
Streamers: ROKU (x3); Bluesound Node 2i and Node N130 w/LHY LPS // Receivers: Yamaha RX-V775BT; Yamaha RX-V777
Preamps: B&K Ref 50; B&K Ref 5 S2; Classe CP-800 MkII; Audio Research SP16L (soon)
Amps: Niles SI-275; B&K ST125.7; B&K ST125.2; Classe CA-2300; Butler Audio TDB-5150
Speakers: Boston Acoustics CR55; Focal Chorus 705v; Wharfedale Diamond 10.2; Monitor Audio Silver-1; Def Tech Mythos One (x4)/Mythos Three Center (x2)/Mythos Two pr.; Martin Logan Electromotion ESL; Legacy Audio Victoria/Silverscreen Center; Gallo Acoustics Reference 3.1; SVS SB-1000 Pro; REL HT-1003; B&W ASW610; HifiMan HE400i
Turntable: Dual 721 Direct-Drive w/Audio Technica AT-VM95e cart
Cables: Tripp-lite 14ga. PCs, Blue Jeans Cable ICs, Philips PXT1000 ICs; Kimber Kable DV30 coaxial ICs; Canare L-4E6S XLR ICs; Kimber Kable 8PR & 8TC speaker cables. -
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Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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No, you seem to forget. You were telling me what I was hearing. Not calling me on any BS.
Since you have stereotyped me under false pretenses and I have better things to do with my time than argue, back to ignore you go.
Have a great life.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
No, you seem to forget. You were telling me what I was hearing. Not calling me on any BS.
Since you have stereotyped me under false pretenses and I have better things to do with my time than argue, back to ignore you go.
Have a great life.
Tom
Full context can be seen under:
“Streaming....better than physical? I think so...”
https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/198493/streaming-better-than-physical-i-think-so/p1
It’s unthinkable that one can eisegete communication at such an extreme level.
Goodbye Tom.
CD Players: Sony CDP-211; Sony DVP-S9000ES; Sony UDP-X800M2 (x2); Cambridge Audio CXC
DACs: Jolida Glass FX Tube DAC III (x2); Denafrips Ares II (x2)
Streamers: ROKU (x3); Bluesound Node 2i and Node N130 w/LHY LPS // Receivers: Yamaha RX-V775BT; Yamaha RX-V777
Preamps: B&K Ref 50; B&K Ref 5 S2; Classe CP-800 MkII; Audio Research SP16L (soon)
Amps: Niles SI-275; B&K ST125.7; B&K ST125.2; Classe CA-2300; Butler Audio TDB-5150
Speakers: Boston Acoustics CR55; Focal Chorus 705v; Wharfedale Diamond 10.2; Monitor Audio Silver-1; Def Tech Mythos One (x4)/Mythos Three Center (x2)/Mythos Two pr.; Martin Logan Electromotion ESL; Legacy Audio Victoria/Silverscreen Center; Gallo Acoustics Reference 3.1; SVS SB-1000 Pro; REL HT-1003; B&W ASW610; HifiMan HE400i
Turntable: Dual 721 Direct-Drive w/Audio Technica AT-VM95e cart
Cables: Tripp-lite 14ga. PCs, Blue Jeans Cable ICs, Philips PXT1000 ICs; Kimber Kable DV30 coaxial ICs; Canare L-4E6S XLR ICs; Kimber Kable 8PR & 8TC speaker cables. -
Wtf. This thread just needs to be purged. Tom, when you are ready, start a new one in the Going Digital sub.For rig details, see my profile. Nothing here anymore...
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmOMc3ji9w
I have the Innuos Thomas makes mention of in tbh bh b by nohis video. I agree with his assessment of the sound on it. I like a little warmer romantic side on the sound of the Innuos and, it has a solid ripper and internal storage. If I leave it on, other things in the house can hit off of it so it can serve as a music server.
I have also heard the Night angel he is originally talking about in the video. I feel he was dead on.
I had have heard the Aurender equipment and enjoyed it quite a bit but, none of the times were on my own rig.
You also mentioned a Jolida. That was my standard ror many years until a Cayin scd-50,,,,tĝ ftKlipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's. -
Oh, crud! Am I having a stroke?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmOMc3ji9w
I have the Innuos Thomas makes mention of in tbh bh b by nohis video. ...
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No, you seem to forget. You were telling me what I was hearing. Not calling me on any BS.
Since you have stereotyped me under false pretenses and I have better things to do with my time than argue, back to ignore you go.
Have a great life.
Tom
Full context can be seen under:
“Streaming....better than physical? I think so...”
https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/198493/streaming-better-than-physical-i-think-so/p1
It’s unthinkable that one can eisegete communication at such an extreme level.
Goodbye Tom.
If I'm correct, Tom is expressing there being less noise in streaming than with his CD player? That makes perfect sense to me, honestly.
Analog cables will pick up noise, streaming is much more resistant to this. The second your CD player outputs it's audio through the RCA jacks, it can pick up noise. Speaking from a technical perspective, you'd want to reduce/delay the first analog point in the system. For a streaming setup it'd be the pre-amp.
I've personally found that I have less noise (I still need to sort this out, it's due to a ground loop) when I stream than when I use my CD player on RCA for this reason. Toslink doesn't introduce this noise.
Of course Tom's setup to my understanding is something I'll only ever be able to dream of having, but one can always theorize. Personally I'd just use Toslink but if he doesn't like the sound of it then I get that.
Streaming is lossless now, it sends 100% of the data to your device. Your goal is simply to have a setup which allows this data to be processed correctly so the sound that comes out of the system accurately represents the sound being sent to your device. -
A valiant effort, Chris, but you still have a few things to sort out in your knowledge base.
This is actually no different than the last leg from an external DAC into a preamp, when streaming.ChrisD06 wrote:Analog cables will pick up noise, streaming is much more resistant to this. The second your CD player outputs it's audio through the RCA jacks, it can pick up noise. Speaking from a technical perspective, you'd want to reduce/delay the first analog point in the system. For a streaming setup it'd be the pre-amp.
The CD player noise is more likely due to the mechanical parts of the player...not the cabling. I think this is the crux of what Tom is trying to determine: Does a player introduce unwanted noise, compared to pure streaming, or using a music server?ChrisD06 wrote:I've personally found that I have less noise (I still need to sort this out, it's due to a ground loop) when I stream than when I use my CD player on RCA for this reason. Toslink doesn't introduce this noise.
You might want to read-up on what 'lossless' truly means. The majority of streaming done across the globe is still lossy. Spotify, for example, is still lossy, and has the biggest market share. Qobuz and Tidal, to my understanding, are lossless, but not nearly as popular as Spotify...overall.ChrisD06 wrote:Streaming is lossless now, it sends 100% of the data to your device. Your goal is simply to have a setup which allows this data to be processed correctly so the sound that comes out of the system accurately represents the sound being sent to your device.
"This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
"Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon -
If I'm correct, Tom is expressing there being less noise in streaming than with his CD player? That makes perfect sense to me, honestly.
Analog cables will pick up noise, streaming is much more resistant to this. The second your CD player outputs it's audio through the RCA jacks, it can pick up noise. Speaking from a technical perspective, you'd want to reduce/delay the first analog point in the system. For a streaming setup it'd be the pre-amp.
I've personally found that I have less noise (I still need to sort this out, it's due to a ground loop) when I stream than when I use my CD player on RCA for this reason. Toslink doesn't introduce this noise.
Of course Tom's setup to my understanding is something I'll only ever be able to dream of having, but one can always theorize. Personally I'd just use Toslink but if he doesn't like the sound of it then I get that.
Streaming is lossless now, it sends 100% of the data to your device. Your goal is simply to have a setup which allows this data to be processed correctly so the sound that comes out of the system accurately represents the sound being sent to your device.
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This thread motivated me to start this process. To that end I spent my holiday down time ripping all of my CD's to WAV files and saving them to my internal SSD hard drive on my desktop PC. I can move them to an external network drive in the future. I shared the folder on my network and was able to access those files with the newly acquired Oppo UDP-203 that I am currently using in my main rig as a CD transport, and the older Oppo BDP-103 that is now connected to my home theater system. I like that I can access all of the music files from various locations in my house! That's pretty cool! I listened to the WAV file and compared it to the CD playing in the UDP-203 on my main system, and I like the WAV file better. TBH that surprised me. I didn't anticipate hearing anything different, but the WAV file is without a doubt more detailed and clear. I will do the same experiment and ask my son to listen with his younger ears the next time he visits and get his feedback.Sources: Technics SL1200MKII | SME3009 Tonearm | Monster Alpha 1 MC cartridge | Oppo UDP203 disk player | Nikko NT-790 analog tuner | Musical Fidelity Trivista 21 DAC | Preamp: Threshold SL-10 | Amplifier: Threshold Stasis 2 | Speakers: Snell Acoustics C/V | Kimber 12-TC bi wire speakers | Analysis plus Oval 1 preamp to amp | Wireworld Eclipse 7 DAC to Preamp | Wireworld eclipse digital IC Oppo to DAC | Audioquest Quartz tuner to preamp |
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A valiant effort, Chris, but you still have a few things to sort out in your knowledge base.
This is actually no different than the last leg from an external DAC into a preamp, when streaming.ChrisD06 wrote:Analog cables will pick up noise, streaming is much more resistant to this. The second your CD player outputs it's audio through the RCA jacks, it can pick up noise. Speaking from a technical perspective, you'd want to reduce/delay the first analog point in the system. For a streaming setup it'd be the pre-amp.
The CD player noise is more likely due to the mechanical parts of the player...not the cabling. I think this is the crux of what Tom is trying to determine: Does a player introduce unwanted noise, compared to pure streaming, or using a music server?ChrisD06 wrote:I've personally found that I have less noise (I still need to sort this out, it's due to a ground loop) when I stream than when I use my CD player on RCA for this reason. Toslink doesn't introduce this noise.
You might want to read-up on what 'lossless' truly means. The majority of streaming done across the globe is still lossy. Spotify, for example, is still lossy, and has the biggest market share. Qobuz and Tidal, to my understanding, are lossless, but not nearly as popular as Spotify...overall.ChrisD06 wrote:Streaming is lossless now, it sends 100% of the data to your device. Your goal is simply to have a setup which allows this data to be processed correctly so the sound that comes out of the system accurately represents the sound being sent to your device.
Thank you for the corrections and pointing those things out. You have indeed added to my knowledge base, sir!
I should have worded the last part better, yes I was referring to Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer etc. Spotify, if I recall correctly, streams at a maximum of 320Kbps using the M4A codec. Far from lossless.
In other news, if anyone knows how I can sort ou my noise issues, ground loop, please do. Any RCA cable recommendations would be appreciated, preferably something cheap lol I don't have the cash I'd like to spend on them. -
Happy to help. Actually, most here are happy to help, but it's always best to approach with a sense of humility, especially when you're new. It's tempting (and all too easy) to over-state and over-reach our knowledge base, but in a format like this, you can get your butt handed to you pretty quicklyChrisD06 wrote:Thank you for the corrections and pointing those things out. You have indeed added to my knowledge base, sir!
I should have worded the last part better, yes I was referring to Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer etc. Spotify, if I recall correctly, streams at a maximum of 320Kbps using the M4A codec. Far from lossless.
In other news, if anyone knows how I can sort ou my noise issues, ground loop, please do. Any RCA cable recommendations would be appreciated, preferably something cheap lol I don't have the cash I'd like to spend on them.
It's always best to state what you KNOW (as fact and/or from personal, first-hand experience), and leave it at that. Speculating, assuming, and stating absolutes is almost always a bad idea, unless done with VERY clearly stated qualifications. If you read between the lines of most posts here (and in other forums), you will start to notice how folks qualify statements.
I believe you are correct about Spotify's streaming rate. They keep 'teasing' about offering a hi-res option, but they've been saying that for years now. I personally keep holding out for it, and IMO, even their current quality is sufficient for my purposes. See what I did there? "In my opinion (IMO)", and "for my purposes". Those are qualifications
Regarding your noise issues, you might want to start a new thread, so that we don't clutter-up Tom's thread here more than already done. Having said that, we have many examples here of folks de-railing threads, but some of them have earned that right
"This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
"Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon -
Happy to help. Actually, most here are happy to help, but it's always best to approach with a sense of humility, especially when you're new. It's tempting (and all too easy) to over-state and over-reach our knowledge base, but in a format like this, you can get your butt handed to you pretty quicklyChrisD06 wrote:Thank you for the corrections and pointing those things out. You have indeed added to my knowledge base, sir!
I should have worded the last part better, yes I was referring to Qobuz, Tidal, Deezer etc. Spotify, if I recall correctly, streams at a maximum of 320Kbps using the M4A codec. Far from lossless.
In other news, if anyone knows how I can sort ou my noise issues, ground loop, please do. Any RCA cable recommendations would be appreciated, preferably something cheap lol I don't have the cash I'd like to spend on them. It's always best to state what you KNOW (as fact and/or from personal, first-hand experience), and leave it at that. Speculating, assuming, and stating absolutes is almost always a bad idea, unless done with VERY clearly stated qualifications. If you read between the lines of most posts here (and in other forums), you will start to notice how folks qualify statements.
I believe you are correct about Spotify's streaming rate. They keep 'teasing' about offering a hi-res option, but they've been saying that for years now. I personally keep holding out for it, and IMO, even their current quality is sufficient for my purposes. See what I did there? "In my opinion (IMO)", and "for my purposes". Those are qualifications
Regarding your noise issues, you might want to start a new thread, so that we don't clutter-up Tom's thread here more than already done. Having said that, we have many examples here of folks de-railing threads, but some of them have earned that right
I'll start a new thread next paycheque (I know I'm gonna need to spend some cash).
As for Spotify, so help me God if they don't stop teasing the HiFi tier I'm going to lose it. To be fair, they don't really need to upgrade the quality because not enough people find it matters. Hell, I use Spotify. My hi-res listening is done through FLAC files and CDs. I find it's just the nicest app to use. -
I agree on Spotify quality, and their user interface. I've built my 'library' there, and don't plan to leave it. And, yes, if I want hi-res, I rip a CD to FLAC, or download a hi-res file from HDTracks, or elsewhere."This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
"Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon -
I agree on Spotify quality, and their user interface. I've built my 'library' there, and don't plan to leave it. And, yes, if I want hi-res, I rip a CD to FLAC, or download a hi-res file from HDTracks, or elsewhere.
Fun fact: Tidal lets you create infinite free trials using the same credit card. I've not paid for Tidal in 2 years but have always had an account lol. -
^^^^^^This sounds like stealing to me. No thanks.
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Fun fact: Tidal lets you create infinite free trials using the same credit card. I've not paid for Tidal in 2 years but have always had an account lol.
Publicly admitting to what amounts as a modern form of music piracy, and knowingly violating the terms of Tidal's EULA? Classy.
