Looking forward to L800 but have concerns, what are your thoughts?

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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,679
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    TopperDude wrote: »
    Audiholics L800 SDA Speaker Unboxing & Setup

    Interesting as he touches on the type of amp you SHOULDNT be using with this.

    Looking forward to his actual review.

    Why does she keep saying "Poke Audio"?
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,029
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  • mhardy6647
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    Clipdat wrote: »
    TopperDude wrote: »
    Audiholics L800 SDA Speaker Unboxing & Setup

    Pretty good video until he suggested using unused channels on your AVR to bi-amp them for "more power". After that he lost most of his credibility.

    There's only one thing to add to this...

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  • Viking64
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    I bi-amped my home theater system with my mother's old Panasonic cassette recorder.

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  • ZLTFUL
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    Viking64 wrote: »
    I bi-amped my home theater system with my mother's old Panasonic cassette recorder.

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    Does every single post you make have to be completely and utterly useless?
    That is a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,679
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    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Does every single post you make have to be completely and utterly useless?
    That is a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.

    Some people find my humor and nonsense amusing. If you don't, simply move along. Or put me on ignore.
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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,640
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    Viking64 wrote: »
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Does every single post you make have to be completely and utterly useless?
    That is a rhetorical question. We already know the answer.

    Almost no one finds my humor and nonsense amusing. If you don't, I will simply move along since I provide absolutely zero benefit to the forum.

    Fixed to be a more accurate statement.

    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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  • Viking64
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    Clipdat wrote: »
    Jimmy you're a toxic troll that hoped for genocide on a country. Do us all a favor and GTFO.

    Quoted.
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
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    Completely agree.
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  • Hermitism
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,679
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    joecoulson wrote: »
    Completely agree.

    With what?
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  • F1nut
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    Clipdat wrote: »
    Jimmy you're a toxic troll that hoped for genocide on a country. Do us all a favor and GTFO.

    Agreed
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,094
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    la2vegas wrote: »
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    We do... until you and Viking show up and start your BS.
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  • Viking64
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    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    la2vegas wrote: »
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    We do... until you and Viking show up and start your BS.

    Quoted.
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  • dromunds
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    C'mon guys, let's get back to audio, this is a L800 thread
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  • mpitogo
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    I am currently bi-amping my L800 to take advantage of the SDA with a single ended treble amplifier 160W@4ohms with a voltage gain matched quad-balanced bass amplifier 450W@4ohms.

    I am about to setup my L800 with active Bi-Amp with the crossover set at 370Hz. Is it ok to remove the woofer low pass filter?

    And on another note, the active crossover is a 3-way balanced crossover but currently only using it as a 2-way with High Pass and Low Pass filters, switchable to include a midband filter. Obviously the crossover network will need to stay for the treble section since there are necessary SDA components in there. For this crossover can I also create a schematic and perform component upgrades similar to what VRF has done for the older SDA?

    If I keep the crossovers in there 5yr factory warranty will still be intact. Weighing the risk/rewards
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  • Clipdat
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    Is there an audible performance benefit to bi-amping the L800s? If so, what process/testing methods did you use to determine this?
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
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    Congrats @ptrooper on acquiring a set of L800's! I'm still coveting a set myself! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Antique Sound Labs AV8 Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
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  • dromunds
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    mpitogo: is that your photo of your rig I saw on Polk’s ad for the L800? If so, very cool
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  • mpitogo
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    @Clipdat for me there are two benefits to active bi-amping.

    1) treble gets single ended power amplificatIon needed to get the full benefits of the SDA channels
    2) power needed can be delivered to the speaker where it counts

    For testing I used my ears. I ran them for a month on a single McIntosh MC452 and it was lacking on the SDA magic I heard at the demo. I had burned in and tested with a McIntosh MC452 and a Marantz PM-10.

    Knowing about the deficiencies of SDA pulling a signal from differential balanced amplifiers, decided to try two non-balanced amplifiers a Rotel RA-1570 and a McIntosh MA5200. And immediately, I can hear the soundstage transform. I am now using an MA5200 for treble SDA and an MC452 for bass where power is needed.

    Hope that helps you.

    @dromunds yes it is.
    • Living Room Music-2.0 Polk Legend L800 | McIntosh C70 | McIntosh MA5200 (Treble) | McIntosh MC452 (Bass) | Sublimeacoustic K231 Active xover | Denon DP-2500A | Denafrips Ares II | Belkin Soundform Connect | iPad Air USB to DAC
    • Media Room Ht-7.2.6/13.1 (Atmos/Auro-3D) Polk LSiM707, LSiM706c, LSiM702 F/X [x4], height LSiM703 [x6], HSU VTF-15H MK2 Dual | Marantz AV8805A | Rotel RB-1590 (L/R) | Appollon NC500 11ch | Sony UBP-X800 | AppleTV 4K | JVC RS2100 | 150” Elite Screen Acoustic Pro UHD
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    • Office-2.0 Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX, DSW microPRO3000 | Rotel RA-1570 | Marantz HD-CD1
    • Daughter's Bedroom 1-2.0 TBD Martin Logan Forte
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  • F1nut
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    I heard the SDA magic when they were run off a Marantz pre pro and amp. Maybe it's the Mac that's lacking.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • BlueFox
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    How the stereo separation with them close together?
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • nooshinjohn
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    ptrooper wrote: »
    20 hrs running ❤️ They certainly like power 38wa1swwh5ji.jpeg

    Toss the back out setting them up, or are you a recovering knuckle-dragger like me?


    Nice rig! B)
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

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  • ptrooper
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    @nooshinjohn Definitely a recovering knuckle dragger here ,i use to be able to lift very heavy things. B)
    These are boxed very well , a trolly and instruction booklet made a very easy install.
    Much easier than the big boys!
    Isoacoustic GAIA are on the next wish list.
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  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 477
    edited March 2020
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    F1Nut. Please call Scott Orth or Stu Lumdnsen. Scott personally told me of the SDA power amp recommendations after I bought them. They can’t pull a proper signal from a balanced amplifier. Its likely also why they demo with Marantz single ended amps or the PM-KI Ruby because they are not balanced. My Marantz PM-10 also did not produce the SDA effect to its fullest. But the PM-10/SA-10 is absolutely rocking on my older 707s?

    If the PM/SA stack worked with the L800 i would have run with them. The combo is amazing.

    F1nut wrote: »
    I heard the SDA magic when they were run off a Marantz pre pro and amp. Maybe it's the Mac that's lacking.

    What is your proper amp recommendation for the L800? Maybe Parasound Halo A21+? I heard good things about parasound.
    • Living Room Music-2.0 Polk Legend L800 | McIntosh C70 | McIntosh MA5200 (Treble) | McIntosh MC452 (Bass) | Sublimeacoustic K231 Active xover | Denon DP-2500A | Denafrips Ares II | Belkin Soundform Connect | iPad Air USB to DAC
    • Media Room Ht-7.2.6/13.1 (Atmos/Auro-3D) Polk LSiM707, LSiM706c, LSiM702 F/X [x4], height LSiM703 [x6], HSU VTF-15H MK2 Dual | Marantz AV8805A | Rotel RB-1590 (L/R) | Appollon NC500 11ch | Sony UBP-X800 | AppleTV 4K | JVC RS2100 | 150” Elite Screen Acoustic Pro UHD
    • Game Room-5.1 Polk LSi25, LSiC, LSiF/X | Marantz SR7009 | AppleTV 4K | Xbox One S | Sony PS2, PS3 | Nintendo Wii | Gaming PC | Sony 75" LCD
    • Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Marantz PM-10 | Marantz SA-10 | SONY PS-HX500
    • Office-2.0 Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX, DSW microPRO3000 | Rotel RA-1570 | Marantz HD-CD1
    • Daughter's Bedroom 1-2.0 TBD Martin Logan Forte
    • Guest Room 2-2.0 Klipsch RP-600M | Martin Logan Forte
    • Guest Room 3-3.0 Martin Logan Motion 40, 50XT | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Apple TV | Samsung 55" TV
    • Guest Room 4-2.0 QAcoustics 3030i | Sansui AU-6900 | Topping DX7s | Sansui FR-1080 | TV
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  • ptrooper
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    verb wrote: »
    Congrats @ptrooper on acquiring a set of L800's! I'm still coveting a set myself! :smile:


    Come on buddy, you can do it. Don't let the team down :p

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  • mpitogo
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    @ptrooper very nice color. I love that gloss black front. I wonder why they made the Walnut a matte black.
    • Living Room Music-2.0 Polk Legend L800 | McIntosh C70 | McIntosh MA5200 (Treble) | McIntosh MC452 (Bass) | Sublimeacoustic K231 Active xover | Denon DP-2500A | Denafrips Ares II | Belkin Soundform Connect | iPad Air USB to DAC
    • Media Room Ht-7.2.6/13.1 (Atmos/Auro-3D) Polk LSiM707, LSiM706c, LSiM702 F/X [x4], height LSiM703 [x6], HSU VTF-15H MK2 Dual | Marantz AV8805A | Rotel RB-1590 (L/R) | Appollon NC500 11ch | Sony UBP-X800 | AppleTV 4K | JVC RS2100 | 150” Elite Screen Acoustic Pro UHD
    • Game Room-5.1 Polk LSi25, LSiC, LSiF/X | Marantz SR7009 | AppleTV 4K | Xbox One S | Sony PS2, PS3 | Nintendo Wii | Gaming PC | Sony 75" LCD
    • Master Bedroom Music-2.0 Totem Hawk | Marantz PM-10 | Marantz SA-10 | SONY PS-HX500
    • Office-2.0 Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX, DSW microPRO3000 | Rotel RA-1570 | Marantz HD-CD1
    • Daughter's Bedroom 1-2.0 TBD Martin Logan Forte
    • Guest Room 2-2.0 Klipsch RP-600M | Martin Logan Forte
    • Guest Room 3-3.0 Martin Logan Motion 40, 50XT | Onkyo TX-SR705 | Apple TV | Samsung 55" TV
    • Guest Room 4-2.0 QAcoustics 3030i | Sansui AU-6900 | Topping DX7s | Sansui FR-1080 | TV
    • Maintenance: Pro-Ject VC-S Record Cleaning Machine
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