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  • maximillian
    maximillian Posts: 2,149
    edited March 2020
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    I understand taking precautions, but there's just way too much freaking out. Swine flu (H1N1) killed about 12k in the US alone and an estimated 150k-500k worldwide. I don't recall the hysteria we are having now. I even traveled to Veracruz for work 2 weeks after the news broke.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic
    https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

    I am far more worried about public panic than an actual infection.
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  • tonyb
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    What I haven't heard mentioned yet, is ...are these test kits suppose to detect various strains of the corona virus, or just the more deadly one.

    If they detect all forms of the virus, then the numbers are skewed and irrelevant. If they can only detect the deadly strain, then how is the test accurate if the virus keeps mutating ? Hmmm....
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  • Joey_V
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    This was on another forum, and I assume it is accurate. Basically, it shows exponential growth of the virus infections.

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    I posted the same thing previously
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,603
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    maximillian wrote: »
    I understand taking precautions, but there's just way too much freaking out. Swine flu (H1N1) killed about 12k in the US alone and an estimated 150k-500k worldwide. I don't recall the hysteria we are having now. I even traveled to Veracruz for work 2 weeks after the news broke.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic
    https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

    I am far more worried about public panic than an actual infection.

    From Italian ICU attending.

    Read it and learn that this is real.

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  • Joey_V
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    The thing that stands out is they don’t even staff the moderately sick even if they “arrest” meaning you are about to code and no one is there.

    Wow
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  • BlueFox
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    Joey_V wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    This was on another forum, and I assume it is accurate. Basically, it shows exponential growth of the virus infections.

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    I posted the same thing previously

    Sorry. It’s easy to lose track of all this information. But it’s still relevant. :)
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  • krazypolk
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    Sounds like the Ita Lians are in deep deep doo doo.
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  • tonyb
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    I gotta call b.s. on the supposed under staffing.
    ITALY ON A NORMAL DAY....is understaffed. Welcome to Gov. Run H.C.

    Joey, your hospital has only 7 ICU beds ? That's just crazy. Even hospitals out in the suburbs here have 20 or 30. Some more than that.

    During flu season, hospitals are short on beds to begin with. Throw in an unexpected contagious virus and you have an instant crisis.
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  • Emlyn
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    This article from March 10 has some good up to date coverage of the issues they are having and shows why Italy finally decided to lock things down...

    https://fortune.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-italy-cases-hospitals/
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  • tonyb
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    With the shortage of equipment Italy is facing, and doctors , one has to wonder...
    Isn't this what the U.N. is for ?

    Can we relocate doctors from other organizations like Red cross or Doctors without borders, etc.

    And, this is not something new for Italy that 1500 docs leave the country every year. You think the best and brightest want to work for peanuts ?
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  • BlueFox
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    A thousand cases in the US as of Tuesday night (3/10).
    BlueFox wrote: »
    This was on another forum, and I assume it is accurate. Basically, it shows exponential growth of the virus infections.

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  • Joey_V
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    tonyb wrote: »
    I gotta call b.s. on the supposed under staffing.
    ITALY ON A NORMAL DAY....is understaffed. Welcome to Gov. Run H.C.

    Joey, your hospital has only 7 ICU beds ? That's just crazy. Even hospitals out in the suburbs here have 20 or 30. Some more than that.

    During flu season, hospitals are short on beds to begin with. Throw in an unexpected contagious virus and you have an instant crisis.

    Those are the bigger hospitals.
    Like Central Dupage or Delnor at your place.
    NIMC likely does not.
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  • F1nut
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    tonyb wrote: »
    With the shortage of equipment Italy is facing, and doctors , one has to wonder...
    Isn't this what the U.N. is for ?

    Can we relocate doctors from other organizations like Red cross or Doctors without borders, etc.

    And, this is not something new for Italy that 1500 docs leave the country every year. You think the best and brightest want to work for peanuts ?

    But the WHO says they have the 2nd best health care.
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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 4,122
    edited March 2020
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    Azar the HHS Secretary said to expect this virus to be a thing for up to a year.
    Since we don’t know where we are going we have to stick together in case someone gets there….Ken Kesey.

    Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper REALLY likes you.

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  • westmassguy
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    codycatalist wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

    Watched it last night, very sobering.
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  • treitz3
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    Just sayin'...

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  • Viking64
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    la2vegas wrote: »

    It couldn't touch its face either, just sayin'...

    You forgot to write your name.
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  • Viking64
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    la2vegas wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    la2vegas wrote: »

    It couldn't touch its face either, just sayin'...

    You forgot to write your name.

    I see you have returned...

    I have been here all along!
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  • Gardenstater
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    Don't panic till I give the word.

    Exponential Growth and Epidemics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg&feature=youtu.be
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  • Jstas
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    Gardenstater wrote: »
    Don't panic till I give the word.

    Exponential Growth and Epidemics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg&feature=youtu.be

    Quit using science, facts and reason!

    This thread is for speculative panic in the stock market over ignorant fear, uncertainty and doubt.
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  • BlueFox
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    Stock market going down today. LOL. They can’t make up their minds. Just sell it all. Whoever is the next President will have quite a mess (economically and socially) to deal with.
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  • steveinaz
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    Aren't we being just a little drama-queen'ish? Anyone remember HIV-AIDS? Did we clear store shelves for that ACTUAL killer virus? Get a grip.
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  • tonyb
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    Kex wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    ...Can we relocate doctors from other organizations like Red cross or Doctors without borders, etc. ...
    Those are private humanitarian organisations.
    Kex wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    ...Can we relocate doctors from other organizations like Red cross or Doctors without borders, etc. ...
    Those are private humanitarian organisations.

    Yes...and does it hurt to ask ? Especially for those areas hardest hit like Italy.
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  • tonyb
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    Italy is by far, not one of the wealthiest countries in the world. I'm saying....ask for their help and PAY them so as not to stretch their budgets. Maybe even make it profitable for them to lend a hand.

    Part of dealing with these things is how fast you can nip it. You have to use every resource out there, or at least try to. Problem solving 101, thinking outside the box.
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  • Clipdat
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    Can the virus be cured by throwing money at it?
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  • BlueFox
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    Clipdat wrote: »
    Can the virus be cured by throwing money at it?

    Maybe. Science will cure/prevent/stop it, and science takes money.
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  • Viking64
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    Kex wrote: »
    The W.H.O. has just declared Covid-19 a pandemic.
    ???

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  • motorhead43026
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    Since China advised all countries in January of the COVID-19 virus DNA, the US has tested 5000 people. The South Koreans are doing 10,000 a day..

    Now in the US millions of test kits have said to been shipped yesterday and more today.
    Since we don’t know where we are going we have to stick together in case someone gets there….Ken Kesey.

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  • Viking64
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    Kex wrote: »
    Those guys are The Who (not the W.H.O.) and two of them are sadly deceased. 😞

    I don’t think it was them that made the statement. 😉

    Sorry. I promise I won't get fool....nevermind.
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