Looking forward to L800 but have concerns, what are your thoughts?
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So do you think Crutchfield would put the L800 on display in their store locations?
Their main Charlottesville location is identified as selling the Legend series. My guess is they would display a pair of the L800s. A long time ago when I was there they had a full RT5000 rosewood home theater system set up.
Not sure if they would have a 30 day return policy on the L800s for those who can’t get to Virginia but want to buy online.
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That is a great explanation.... sadly K_M still won’t get it.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Arcam AVR30, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp.
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OK, we've got the successor to the SDA SRS 3.1TL out of the gate. I'm wondering if Polk has the 2.3TL and 1.2TL prototypes on reserve while they see how well the L800 does."So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
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I feel like a CRS would be more likely than Polk selling a $10,000+ pair.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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DarqueKnight wrote: »OK, we've got the successor to the SDA SRS 3.1TL out of the gate. I'm wondering if Polk has the 2.3TL and 1.2TL prototypes on reserve while they see how well the L800 does.
Polk marketed the L800 as superior to all the older SDA speakers.
While the older 3.1TL SDA speakers do have several smaller sized drivers that would be equal to the (2) 10" woofers of the L800, the similarity ends there.
The actual total volume of air moved by the L800 is MORE than the Largest SDA from years ago.
Despite 8 Midwoofers employed the radiating area of all 8 midwoofers combined is 1080cm(2)
The L800 total radiating area of both 10" woofers is 686cm(2), but has approximately double the excursion. Equal to about 1370Cm(2)
So in the end, 8 small midwoofers are equal to 2 10" woofers with more excursion.
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Wow! I joined this forum about 18 years ago. Just a bunch of guys talikng about their love for Polk speakers. I haven't posted for a long time. Thought I would check the forum out for some info on the Legend series, didn't know there would be all this bickering...
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DarqueKnight wrote: »OK, we've got the successor to the SDA SRS 3.1TL out of the gate. I'm wondering if Polk has the 2.3TL and 1.2TL prototypes on reserve while they see how well the L800 does.
Polk marketed the L800 as superior to all the older SDA speakers.
While the older 3.1TL SDA speakers do have several smaller sized drivers that would be equal to the (2) 10" woofers of the L800, the similarity ends there.
The actual total volume of air moved by the L800 is MORE than the Largest SDA from years ago.
Despite 8 Midwoofers employed the radiating area of all 8 midwoofers combined is 1080cm(2)
The L800 total radiating area of both 10" woofers is 686cm(2), but has approximately double the excursion. Equal to about 1370Cm(2)
So in the end, 8 small midwoofers are equal to 2 10" woofers with more excursion.
You just proved John's point as you truly have no idea what you're talking about.......NONE!!!Political Correctness'.........defined
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Wow! I joined this forum about 18 years ago. Just a bunch of guys talikng about their love for Polk speakers. I haven't posted for a long time. Thought I would check the forum out for some info on the Legend series, didn't know there would be all this bickering...
Well, not really. Compared to today it was more like the wild west back then.Political Correctness'.........defined
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DarqueKnight wrote: »OK, we've got the successor to the SDA SRS 3.1TL out of the gate. I'm wondering if Polk has the 2.3TL and 1.2TL prototypes on reserve while they see how well the L800 does.
Polk marketed the L800 as superior to all the older SDA speakers.
While the older 3.1TL SDA speakers do have several smaller sized drivers that would be equal to the (2) 10" woofers of the L800, the similarity ends there.
The actual total volume of air moved by the L800 is MORE than the Largest SDA from years ago.
Despite 8 Midwoofers employed the radiating area of all 8 midwoofers combined is 1080cm(2)
The L800 total radiating area of both 10" woofers is 686cm(2), but has approximately double the excursion. Equal to about 1370Cm(2)
So in the end, 8 small midwoofers are equal to 2 10" woofers with more excursion.
You just proved John's point as you truly have no idea what you're talking about.......NONE!!!
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DarqueKnight wrote: »OK, we've got the successor to the SDA SRS 3.1TL out of the gate. I'm wondering if Polk has the 2.3TL and 1.2TL prototypes on reserve while they see how well the L800 does.
Polk marketed the L800 as superior to all the older SDA speakers.
While the older 3.1TL SDA speakers do have several smaller sized drivers that would be equal to the (2) 10" woofers of the L800, the similarity ends there.
The actual total volume of air moved by the L800 is MORE than the Largest SDA from years ago.
Despite 8 Midwoofers employed the radiating area of all 8 midwoofers combined is 1080cm(2)
The L800 total radiating area of both 10" woofers is 686cm(2), but has approximately double the excursion. Equal to about 1370Cm(2)
So in the end, 8 small midwoofers are equal to 2 10" woofers with more excursion.
You just proved John's point as you truly have no idea what you're talking about.......NONE!!!
I do know ONE thing. You and "John" seem to post simultaneously one after another every time I post something.
Are you joined to his posterior or something?
If my math is wrong correct it......
If Polk saying the L800 would be their ultimate speaker ever was wrong, cite a source
Otherwise STFU, and troll someone else.
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DarqueKnight wrote: »OK, we've got the successor to the SDA SRS 3.1TL out of the gate. I'm wondering if Polk has the 2.3TL and 1.2TL prototypes on reserve while they see how well the L800 does.
Polk marketed the L800 as superior to all the older SDA speakers.
While the older 3.1TL SDA speakers do have several smaller sized drivers that would be equal to the (2) 10" woofers of the L800, the similarity ends there.
The actual total volume of air moved by the L800 is MORE than the Largest SDA from years ago.
Despite 8 Midwoofers employed the radiating area of all 8 midwoofers combined is 1080cm(2)
The L800 total radiating area of both 10" woofers is 686cm(2), but has approximately double the excursion. Equal to about 1370Cm(2)
So in the end, 8 small midwoofers are equal to 2 10" woofers with more excursion.
You just proved John's point as you truly have no idea what you're talking about.......NONE!!!
I do know ONE thing. You and "John" seem to post simultaneously one after another every time I post something.
Are you joined to his posterior or something?
If my math is wrong correct it......
If Polk saying the L800 would be their ultimate speaker ever was wrong, cite a source
Otherwise STFU, and troll someone else.
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Does the 15" PR not count since it's not active?afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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Does the 15" PR not count since it's not active?
No does not count.
One could make ANY size passive radiator (within the limits of the speaker box size) or even add 3-4 radiators, and it would not increase the actual surface area of the driven speakers at all.
The mass of the radiator along with the box size, determine box tuning frequency, and the larger the radiator, it simply moves less.
Passive radiator is equal to a vented box.
The vent is fairly small but moves an equal volume of air, but over a larger distance.
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I'm too lazy to check your math. However as you allude using multiple drivers to cover the same bandwidth increases the available volume displacement, because of the increased surface area. Also the excursion demands of each driver will be reduced so distortion will be reduced as well. Driver distortion goes up proportional with greater excursion due to non linear voice coil/magnet motor structures. Driver voice coil /motor design has improved considerably since the original SDA's so excursion generated distortion is not as much of an issue.if my math is wrong correct it...... -
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Despite 8 Midwoofers employed the radiating area of all 8 midwoofers combined is 1080cm(2)
The L800 total radiating area of both 10" woofers is 686cm(2), but has approximately double the excursion. Equal to about 1370Cm(2)
So in the end, 8 small midwoofers are equal to 2 10" woofers with more excursion.
The actual total volume of air moved by the L800 is MORE than the Largest SDA from years ago.
Please explain the driver dimensions you used to calculate radiating areas. Was it the nominal diameter of the driver, the diameter of the cone (excluding surround), or a conic surface?
Polk marketed the L800 as superior to all the older SDA speakers.
I think it's just common sense and goes without saying that the L800 is superior to all the older (stock) SDA speakers. However, it is also common sense and goes without saying that larger SDA speakers with the same technology and build quality of the L800 would outperform the L800, just as the 2.3TL and 1.2TL outperformed the 3.1TL.
My previous comment wondering if Polk might come out with larger SDAs relates to the fact that, for my two channel system, I am not interested in an SDA speaker the size of the SDA 1C or SDA 3.1TL. I would be very interested in a modern version of my SDA 1.2TLs.
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Does the 15" PR not count since it's not active?
No does not count.
One could make ANY size passive radiator (within the limits of the speaker box size) or even add 3-4 radiators, and it would not increase the actual surface area of the driven speakers at all.
The mass of the radiator along with the box size, determine box tuning frequency, and the larger the radiator, it simply moves less.
Passive radiator is equal to a vented box.
The vent is fairly small but moves an equal volume of air, but over a larger distance.
I totally agree here!
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Im sure Polk used two 10" woofer to keep the cost down. Using an array of mids would have added size and cost. Besides I think the "magic" in the L800 technology is in the other attributes.
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The 800 is actually 3way vs previous SDA's which were 2 ways. Since the woofers will not have to reproduce the mid band it makes sense to use larger high excursion capable drivers for the bass range.
Im sure Polk used two 10" woofer to keep the cost down. Using an array of mids would have added size and cost. Besides I think the "magic" in the L800 technology is in the other attributes.
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Well, since no one has heard these speakers everything is speculation. So, rather than arguing, we should just take it all in stride, and wait until they are being used before trying to argue against an opinion.
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I've heard them as well....in a noisy large open environment. Due to the conditions, the volume was turned up at times and the four 10" drivers had no problem belting out very full midbass/bass.
Polk's goal was to make a smaller SDA and so naturally they figured out a way to use large conventional woofers in a smaller cabinet vs. smaller woofers and passive radiators. Even with the 10's I could hear good separation but I've heard good separation with some conventional speakers. It was just not the day to get a good ear on them. Maybe someday I'll heard them again under better circumstances.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »mhardy6647 wrote: »I've got no problem with large loudspeakers, but some of those old SDAs just have/had ...
too many drivers
The idea back then was to use several low cost drivers, and hopefully equal one much larger more expensive woofer.
But lobing and dispersion issues were not at the top of the agenda back then nor as well thought out.
Ive had people see our "Big" sdas and ask why 8 small woofers, instead of maybe 2 10" woofers......not sure, maybe they got a better deal on bulk 6.5" woofers...
Another clueless post from someone that doesn’t know what they are talking about....
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mark090852 wrote: »nooshinjohn wrote: »mhardy6647 wrote: »I've got no problem with large loudspeakers, but some of those old SDAs just have/had ...
too many drivers
The idea back then was to use several low cost drivers, and hopefully equal one much larger more expensive woofer.
But lobing and dispersion issues were not at the top of the agenda back then nor as well thought out.
Ive had people see our "Big" sdas and ask why 8 small woofers, instead of maybe 2 10" woofers......not sure, maybe they got a better deal on bulk 6.5" woofers...
Another clueless post from someone that doesn’t know what they are talking about....
Posts like this are what are turning me off to the Polk forum. I'm a firm believer in what my parents taught me over half a century ago. "If you haven't got something nice to say, don't say anything at all." So with that in mind, let me finish this post by saying...nothing at all!
There are a few in the forum, from what many have told me, are "Fanboys" of the older SDA speakers.
Their opinions are often rooted in some facts, a lot of sales literature explanations, and the idea that nothing can better the vintage SDA speakers in any regard.
As if speaker technology was at it's Apex in 1988, and only available to Polk audio engineers.
When anyone mentions something a bit less biased about these speakers (even owners of them such as me) they take it as somehow personally insulting their choice of the greatest speaker ever made.
I own 2 pair, and really like them, but I guess never saw them as the epitome of a great high fidelity speaker, but more as a very good sounding speaker in some regards, but for sure one made to a "cost", and one that could be improved with higher priced and better drivers.
The rude part and the name calling seems to be based (partially) on lacking a true fundamental understanding of speaker technology and design, and a few other factors, and not being able to articulate a different view or being able to accept that not all agree they are the greatest thing ever.
I see the same handful of guys in other forums, trying to convince everyone the old SDA speakers are "Super great" and so on.
Mostly a fanboy reaction, that due to lack of moderation on this forum, has bloomed into a group of guys that bash on anyone that dares to not share their speaker views.
Maybe I got some of it wrong, but I agree they bring the forum "down" often.
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