PMC twenty.22

ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,885
edited January 18 in Speakers
I bought a used pair of PMC twenty.22 speakers off eBay and I got them today!

I'm happy to report that despite my abysmal track record, they arrived intact and in great shape! I have not hooked them up yet, but I'm hoping for no issues with their functionality either.

They have the oak veneer and it's absolutely stunning, in my opinion. Photos don't really do it justice at all. I think the finish looks very classy and professional.

Here are some photos of these beauties. My wife says "they have higher WAF with the grilles off".

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  • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,079
    End game bookies bro. I have heard these and they are absolutely phenomenal. Congrats and I know how well they are made ( see my thread about cabinet finishes).
    I like the grilles off too. Show off those beautiful drivers.
    Super congrats and I know you’ll love them!!
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • oldrockeroldrocker Posts: 2,073
    Nice indeed!
  • maxwardmaxward Posts: 266
    Great find! It’s hard to beat a well-done oak finish.
    Thorens TD-160C; Sumiko Talisman S; Jolida JD9; Marantz CD-53; North Star Intenso;
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 7,420
    They look MINTY. :p B)
    I can't wait for your review.

    Do your PMC 22s lean back like these do?

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    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,982
    Very attractive loudspeakers, those.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,885
    Tony M wrote: »
    Do your PMC 22s lean back like these do?

    Hey Tony, yes they do, exactly like those. It was just difficult to illustrate that when I was taking the photos.
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,982
    side view oughta do it.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,079
    Not very nice.
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,254
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    Do your PMC 22s lean back like these do?

    Hey Tony, yes they do, exactly like those. It was just difficult to illustrate that when I was taking the photos.
    I'm surprised, as much as you hate crooked things.
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline Mk3 x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,885
    You are hilarious.
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,254
    I'm just messing with you. Beautiful speakers, Drew! Congrats.
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline Mk3 x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,885
    Hermitism wrote: »
    Beautiful speakers

    For some reason that reminded me of this:

    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,079
    edited January 18
    Ugh. Guilty pleasure
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,982
    Hermitism wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    Do your PMC 22s lean back like these do?

    Hey Tony, yes they do, exactly like those. It was just difficult to illustrate that when I was taking the photos.
    I'm surprised, as much as you hate crooked things.

    ouch :p
  • halohalo Posts: 4,879
    I loves me a transmission line enclosure! Gawgeous speakers they are, indeed! Keep the grills off!
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 15,467
    These are speakers that have my respect. Congrats Drew.
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  • verbverb Posts: 5,092
    Wow! You've upped your game my man! Those look awesome! I'm sure a very detailed review to follow. Looking forward to it!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
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  • verbverb Posts: 5,092
    Oh yeah, first the Ruby, now these high end bookies. Easier to ask for permission or beg for forgiveness? Do tell Drew! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Rega RP1 TT, VTL 2.5 Preamplifier, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs DAC, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Marantz CD-1 transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus Subwoofer, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Project BoxE Bluetooth Streamer, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,885
    edited January 20
    I played the speakers for a few hours last night and for about 10 hours today.

    My first impression is that they are going to require a lengthy break-in process. PMC recommends 50 hours.

    Compared to the 703s which provided a healthy amount of bass at most listening levels, there seems to be a distinct lack of bass energy in the normal listening range I'm accustomed to such as 60-75db. They are extremely bass shy in this "normal volume" range and while you can hear the bass notes coming through the woofer, they just seem to be several db under where they should be at in order to appropriately play off and mesh with the rest of the music.

    If I really crank up the speakers and let them play at 75-85db, the woofers are more active and seem to push out accurate bass that is appropriately matched to the level of the other elements of the music that are coming out of the tweeter. At these levels, I can see the woofers moving/vibrating, and can feel vibrational energy if I put my hand in front of the TL exit on the front.

    So I'm hoping that it's just that the woofers are simply really tight and need to loosen up, before they will start reproducing bass at lower listening levels. I really enjoy the way the treble and midrange is presented, so hopefully they will come around in the bass department after 50 hours or more.

    It just seems like I'm going to have to break them in at a fairly high volume since the woofers don't really start to visually move until 75db.

    Anyway, if anyone has any thoughts or insight about reduced bass performance during break-in or just thoughts on the reason for what I've experienced so far I would be happy to hear it.
    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 5,885
    By the way, when I'm referencing "bass" and "basslines" I'm talking about tracks like these.





    • "Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,768
    Lack of bass ?? Hard to believe for a fairly efficient 8 ohm speaker. What are you driving these with ?
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,247
    What stands are you using? Height of Stand? If you look back our LSAF threads, I'm familiar with this type of design. We used the Morel Hybrid woofer and bass was not an issue

    https://www.parts-express.com/morel-h81-8-hybrid-series-woofer--297-066
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,683
    edited January 20
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,079
    I will say that the 703’s looked like they were pretty close (within a few inches) of the back wall (back port) and the PMC’s have a forward firing port. This along with what I believe is a little accentuated mid bass from the 703’s and the new not broken in yet PMC’s all add to the issue.
    Give it some time and experiment with placement as much as you can.
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,254
    tonyb wrote: »
    Lack of bass ?? Hard to believe for a fairly efficient 8 ohm speaker. What are you driving these with ?
    I think he's using the Dayens Monoblocks, unless he has two systems.

    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline Mk3 x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,079
    Nope. Bryston currently.
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, 4 x Linn LK240 monoblocks ( bi-amping) Elac Adante AF-61's, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with Mullard NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd

    5.1: Marantz sr5003 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Totem Rainmakers (not hooked up) Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • halohalo Posts: 4,879
    Drew,

    Are jumpers for the terminals on the back of the speakers included with these? I don't see them in your photos.
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,247
    halo wrote: »
    Drew,

    Are jumpers for the terminals on the back of the speakers included with these? I don't see them in your photos.

    Ohh...Good eye Sinsei
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 20,982
    edited January 20
    tonyb wrote: »
    Lack of bass ?? Hard to believe for a fairly efficient 8 ohm speaker. What are you driving these with ?

    FWIW: If they're brand new, and he's talking about pretty low listening levels, it seems entirely plausible to me -- even for TLs. :|

    EDIT: Derp. Sez they're 'used from eBAY' in the OP.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,768
    Front port vs rear port.....now that might have a good chunk of why the bass is a bit weaker. Agreed.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
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