PMC twenty.22

Clipdat
Clipdat Posts: 12,086
edited January 2019 in Speakers
I bought a used pair of PMC twenty.22 speakers off eBay and I got them today!

I'm happy to report that despite my abysmal track record, they arrived intact and in great shape! I have not hooked them up yet, but I'm hoping for no issues with their functionality either.

They have the oak veneer and it's absolutely stunning, in my opinion. Photos don't really do it justice at all. I think the finish looks very classy and professional.

Here are some photos of these beauties. My wife says "they have higher WAF with the grilles off".

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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,944
    End game bookies bro. I have heard these and they are absolutely phenomenal. Congrats and I know how well they are made ( see my thread about cabinet finishes).
    I like the grilles off too. Show off those beautiful drivers.
    Super congrats and I know you’ll love them!!
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  • oldrocker
    oldrocker Posts: 2,590
    Nice indeed!
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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,384
    Great find! It’s hard to beat a well-done oak finish.
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 10,876
    They look MINTY. :pB)
    I can't wait for your review.

    Do your PMC 22s lean back like these do?

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    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 31,533
    Very attractive loudspeakers, those.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,086
    Tony M wrote: »
    Do your PMC 22s lean back like these do?

    Hey Tony, yes they do, exactly like those. It was just difficult to illustrate that when I was taking the photos.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 31,533
    side view oughta do it.
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,944
    Not very nice.
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  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,136
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    Do your PMC 22s lean back like these do?

    Hey Tony, yes they do, exactly like those. It was just difficult to illustrate that when I was taking the photos.
    I'm surprised, as much as you hate crooked things.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,086
    You are hilarious.
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  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,136
    I'm just messing with you. Beautiful speakers, Drew! Congrats.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,086
    Hermitism wrote: »
    Beautiful speakers

    For some reason that reminded me of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsh0TfIKhoE
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,944
    edited January 2019
    Ugh. Guilty pleasure
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 31,533
    Hermitism wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    Do your PMC 22s lean back like these do?

    Hey Tony, yes they do, exactly like those. It was just difficult to illustrate that when I was taking the photos.
    I'm surprised, as much as you hate crooked things.

    ouch :p
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    I loves me a transmission line enclosure! Gawgeous speakers they are, indeed! Keep the grills off!
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Wow! You've upped your game my man! Those look awesome! I'm sure a very detailed review to follow. Looking forward to it!
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Oh yeah, first the Ruby, now these high end bookies. Easier to ask for permission or beg for forgiveness? Do tell Drew! :smile:
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    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Antique Sound Labs AV8 Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,086
    edited January 2019
    I played the speakers for a few hours last night and for about 10 hours today.

    My first impression is that they are going to require a lengthy break-in process. PMC recommends 50 hours.

    Compared to the 703s which provided a healthy amount of bass at most listening levels, there seems to be a distinct lack of bass energy in the normal listening range I'm accustomed to such as 60-75db. They are extremely bass shy in this "normal volume" range and while you can hear the bass notes coming through the woofer, they just seem to be several db under where they should be at in order to appropriately play off and mesh with the rest of the music.

    If I really crank up the speakers and let them play at 75-85db, the woofers are more active and seem to push out accurate bass that is appropriately matched to the level of the other elements of the music that are coming out of the tweeter. At these levels, I can see the woofers moving/vibrating, and can feel vibrational energy if I put my hand in front of the TL exit on the front.

    So I'm hoping that it's just that the woofers are simply really tight and need to loosen up, before they will start reproducing bass at lower listening levels. I really enjoy the way the treble and midrange is presented, so hopefully they will come around in the bass department after 50 hours or more.

    It just seems like I'm going to have to break them in at a fairly high volume since the woofers don't really start to visually move until 75db.

    Anyway, if anyone has any thoughts or insight about reduced bass performance during break-in or just thoughts on the reason for what I've experienced so far I would be happy to hear it.
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,086
    By the way, when I'm referencing "bass" and "basslines" I'm talking about tracks like these.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBwA4ovtV0s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMKSMGZGc14

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oFAIIebyc
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,829
    Lack of bass ?? Hard to believe for a fairly efficient 8 ohm speaker. What are you driving these with ?
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 12,926
    What stands are you using? Height of Stand? If you look back our LSAF threads, I'm familiar with this type of design. We used the Morel Hybrid woofer and bass was not an issue

    https://www.parts-express.com/morel-h81-8-hybrid-series-woofer--297-066
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 7,908
    edited January 2019
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,944
    I will say that the 703’s looked like they were pretty close (within a few inches) of the back wall (back port) and the PMC’s have a forward firing port. This along with what I believe is a little accentuated mid bass from the 703’s and the new not broken in yet PMC’s all add to the issue.
    Give it some time and experiment with placement as much as you can.
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  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,136
    tonyb wrote: »
    Lack of bass ?? Hard to believe for a fairly efficient 8 ohm speaker. What are you driving these with ?
    I think he's using the Dayens Monoblocks, unless he has two systems.

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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,944
    Nope. Bryston currently.
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    Drew,

    Are jumpers for the terminals on the back of the speakers included with these? I don't see them in your photos.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 12,926
    halo wrote: »
    Drew,

    Are jumpers for the terminals on the back of the speakers included with these? I don't see them in your photos.

    Ohh...Good eye Sinsei
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 31,533
    edited January 2019
    tonyb wrote: »
    Lack of bass ?? Hard to believe for a fairly efficient 8 ohm speaker. What are you driving these with ?

    FWIW: If they're brand new, and he's talking about pretty low listening levels, it seems entirely plausible to me -- even for TLs. :|

    EDIT: Derp. Sez they're 'used from eBAY' in the OP.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,829
    Front port vs rear port.....now that might have a good chunk of why the bass is a bit weaker. Agreed.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 31,533
    edited January 2019
    re: efficiency/sensitivity:

    https://pmc-speakers.com/products/archive/archive/twenty22
    sez: 8 ohm nominal impedance and 90 dB (1 watt @ 1 meter) sensitivity, so, yeah, not bad actually.
    'twould be interesting to see what the impedance curve looks like.

    Being British, the certainly might tend towards the polite, too.

    On the other hand, the venerable KEF 105 (e.g.) wasn't what I would consider polite
    sounding. I still would love to have a pair of those mommas.

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