PMC twenty.22

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  • FTGVFTGV Posts: 3,675
    edited February 2019
    joecoulson wrote: »
    That’s a great protective barrier. Wonder what it does to the sound?
    They called it the Tangerine waveguide. https://www.kefdirect.com/blog/tag/what+is+tangerine+waveguide?
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 26,110
    Not to be confused with Altec's Tangerine phase plug of the 1970s, I guess... :#

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,526
    edited May 2019
    After several months of listening to these PMC speakers, I'm afraid they are starting to ruin other speakers for me. Namely my old Polk LSiM 703s and my 2.1 computer setup with Polk Blackstone TL3s. Obviously apples and oranges, but still.

    I hooked up the 703s about a month ago just for kicks, and to reacquaint myself with their sound. After a few tracks, I thought to myself "I can't listen to these anymore".

    First, as I cranked up the volume, the bass became incredibly boomy and out of control - completely overpowering the other elements of the song. However, the thing that was bothering me the most was the way the tweeter sounded at higher volumes. It just had an unpleasant harsh, hard, and flat quality to it, especially when getting into the 80-90db range. It was physically uncomfortable. I guess now it makes sense why I always preferred to listen to the 703s at lower volumes. When I crank the PMCs up to these higher levels, the tweeter never gets hot or fatiguing - but remains incredibly detailed.

    I listened to a few tracks on my Blackstone TL3 2.1 setup earlier this week, and it wasn't really enjoyable either. It honestly sounded like the speakers had grilles made out of thick burlap that was obscuring the sound from the tweeter, and the bass from the sub sounded flabby, loose, and overpowering.

    Nothing has changed, aside from me getting spoiled apparently. The treble resolution of the PMC twenty.22 tweeter is literally night and day versus these other speakers. It just mops the floor with the 703's ring radiator tweeter. It's really one of those "you just have to hear it" type things. It's like going from SD 480p to HD 1080p.

    I do still think they would benefit from a high quality SVS sealed sub, or a Rythmik servo sub, but I can always explore that at some point in the future when I have a better room. If I had to choose between the bloated bass-reflex style ported bass from the 703s, versus the lean yet extremely clean and tuneful bass of the twenty.22s, I'll take latter.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,794
    Very cool Clip
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,526
    In general, I'd love to hear as many different speakers as possible. I'd definitely be interested in hearing the S400s in my own room, after being impressed with them at Axpona.

    However, I doubt I will be selling the PMCs as I would likely have to take about $1k less than what I paid for them, as it seems like their value has dropped recently. So in that case, I will just hold on to them since I feel that I got a good deal on them, and I'm a bit attached to them now. I do think they do several things "right", and I know they would perform even better if they were on stands and set up properly.
  • verbverb Posts: 10,235
    edited May 2019
    Clipdat wrote: »
    However, I doubt I will be selling the PMCs as I would likely have to take about $1k less than what I paid for them, as it seems like their value has dropped recently. So in that case, I will just hold on to them since I feel that I got a good deal on them, and I'm a bit attached to them now.

    I'm disappointed. :cry: Cause I wanted to buy em! :smile:
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,794
    I have heard them on stands (as we have talked about) and they are glorious at imaging. Some of the best stand mounts ever at that price point ($5k retail)
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT - Parasound P6 - Parasound A21+ - Elac Adante AS-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u

    HT - Panasonic BDP/Tivo Bolt - Marantz SR5013 - Def tech C and In ceiling - Sony XBR 75"
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,526
    edited May 2019
    Not to nitpick, but I think the original MSRP was $4k.

    According to this review at least: https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/speaker/bookshelf/pmc-twenty-22-monitor-bookshelf-speakers-review/
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,794
    Yeah sorry. You’re right.
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    HT - Panasonic BDP/Tivo Bolt - Marantz SR5013 - Def tech C and In ceiling - Sony XBR 75"
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,526
    A little over a year later and I'm still logging hours on these bad boys. In hindsight these have turned out to be an excellent purchase, especially at the price I paid. I'm happy that these are my reference monitors!

    PMC's latest line is a refreshed version of their twenty5 series, called twenty5i: https://www.pmc-speakers.com/products/consumer/twenty5i

    I'm working on getting a pair of the twenty5.22i speakers in for review, so I can compare them to my twenty.22s and evaluate what the newest generation brings to the table.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,526
    A little more info about the new twenty5i series:

    "PMC’s now-legendary twenty5 series won five-star ratings and awards worldwide, and were chosen to form the reference surround system for What HiFi magazine — the speakers by which all others are judged. But true innovators are never satisfied. Our team never stops looking for ways to hone their designs, using new technologies, materials, or discoveries, including innovations from outside the audio industry. This quest has led to the creation of the new twenty5i series speakers — where ‘i’ stands for improved. The new range offers everything that made the twenty5 series so sought-after, but with even greater realism, transparency and musicality."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,526
    And some more information specifically about the new tweeter, exciting!

    "The new twenty5i high-frequency driver, a 19mm SONOMEX™ soft-dome design, was derived from the high-frequency unit on PMC’s premium fact speaker range; both were co-engineered with respected Norwegian driver manufacturers SEAS. The dome on the twenty5i range is mounted in the centre of a large roll surround, an arrangement which gives the effect of two drivers in one; it can produce the wide dispersion of a small-dome driver and the higher output of a larger driver. The newly designed ultra-rigid HF dispersion plate and grille enlarge the optimum listening position still further, meaning you can listen from a wide variety of positions in your room and still enjoy PMC’s consistent, ultra-detailed sound with razor-sharp imaging."
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