Warm up time or is it my ears?
afterburnt
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These 707s have certainly opened up with some time one them but it sure seem like I don't like what I hear from them for almost the first hour of letting them play. what the hell is wrong with me? Wait that is another conversation lol. Should stuff take that long to warm up???
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I honestly feel that both my systems don't start sounding there best for about 2 hours. The longer they are on, the better they sound. I have 705's in my main system. Bought in April of this year, they keep sounding better and better, I haven't done anything special to break them in, just using them, not leaving them on all day for the dogs. Been thinking about running them for a week straight to see what happens.2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
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Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
My amps need at least an hour of idle time before I sit in the sweet spotThe Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
Funny I run my gear for the dog too lol. Anyway the last memory of the sound kinda blows compared to the first memory of the last listening session. I am becoming too much of a curmudgeon about my own stuff lol.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »My amps need at least an hour of idle time before I sit in the sweet spot
I guess it makes sense since I have been running Playschool gear to start out. this is too much fun and too damned expensive, but what the hell I am enjoying it lol -
afterburnt wrote: »These 707s have certainly opened up with some time one them but it sure seem like I don't like what I hear from them for almost the first hour of letting them play. what the hell is wrong with me? Wait that is another conversation lol. Should stuff take that long to warm up???
I get the impression you power up your gear just before listening, so try this instead. Leave all the gear powered up while you are at work, sleeping or whatever you do when not listening. That way when you are ready for the next listening session you should be able to tell if it is gear warm up time or your ears.
Political Correctness'.........defined
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President of Club Polk -
I agree with Jesse, but if you are running tube amps, it may not be practical to do that. I could watch my power meter roll if I left my amps on all the time.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
No tubes here. I turned everthing on when I got up this morning then reflexively turn them off as I walked out the door duh lol
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I get the impression you power up your gear just before listening, so try this instead. Leave all the gear powered up while you are at work, sleeping or whatever you do when not listening. That way when you are ready for the next listening session you should be able to tell if it is gear warm up time or your ears.
You could tell if you compared two identical systems side by side. But it isn't possible to remember sonic characteristics through a work day. Hearing bias, on the other hand, can convince you that hear nearly anything. -
You could tell if you compared two identical systems side by side. But it isn't possible to remember sonic characteristics through a work day. Hearing bias, on the other hand, can convince you that hear nearly anything.
If you truly believe that I suggest you get rid of whatever audio system you have. I mean, it's obvious you can't be sure of what you're hearing, so why bother.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Sorry but I know exactly what I can and cannot hear. I spent two years doing bias controlled comparisons. Since you don't know what I can and can't hear a better comment would be that you disagree with me. That would make sense since you have never done a bias controlled comparison.
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Sorry but I know exactly what I can and cannot hear.
Ummmm....you just told us that you can't trust YOUR ears. Hello!Since you don't know what I can and can't hear
Yet, you're going to tell the collective what they can or can't hear? LMAO!!!
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Ummmm....you just told us that you can't trust YOUR ears. Hello!
Yet, you're going to tell the collective what they can or can't hear? LMAO!!!
Not at all. I am simply explaining why you hear what you year. Just say you don't disagree. Attacking me won't change the truth.
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Your truth is not my truth, so don't try to push your thoughts on the matter on me or others.
BTW, I'm not attacking you. I'm pointing out the problems with your blanket statements.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
You could tell if you compared two identical systems side by side. But it isn't possible to remember sonic characteristics through a work day. Hearing bias, on the other hand, can convince you that hear nearly anything.
Great, another troll throwing out opinion as fact, and knows more than anyone else.
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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[it isn't possible to remember sonic characteristics through a work day. .
Maybe if you have Alzheimer's, because I can remember sonic characteristics of pieces I've heard from years ago. My house/car keys is another matter.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Rudeness and insults are the methodology here, it appears. Very sad. Anybody up for a bet?
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Sure, I'm a gambling man, whats the bet ?HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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The bet. We set up two identical systems. We test them with a bias controlled comparison to ensure they sound the same. We allow one to warm up all day and the other one for 10 minutes. Then we repeat the bias controlled test. If you can identify a difference, you get $5000. If you can't, I get $5000.
I have never tested this concept before so I am applying common sense to the issue. I did do a bias controlled test of speaker "break-in" once. We compare a pair B&W Matrix 801 speakers a dealer had had on demo for about three months to a brand new pair he unboxed to deliver to a customer. None of the 5 testers was able to distinguish between the two pairs.
I'm betting $5000 warm up of electronic audio gear will go the same way. Do you know where we can find two identical systems in the same room that can be switched to play through the same speakers? -
Only if the test is carried out with Ethernet cables... paging @ZLTFUL
So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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The bet. We set up two identical systems. We test them with a bias controlled comparison to ensure they sound the same. We allow one to warm up all day and the other one for 10 minutes. Then we repeat the bias controlled test. If you can identify a difference, you get $5000. If you can't, I get $5000.
I have never tested this concept before so I am applying common sense to the issue. I did do a bias controlled test of speaker "break-in" once. We compare a pair B&W Matrix 801 speakers a dealer had had on demo for about three months to a brand new pair he unboxed to deliver to a customer. None of the 5 testers was able to distinguish between the two pairs.
I'm betting $5000 warm up of electronic audio gear will go the same way. Do you know where we can find two identical systems in the same room that can be switched to play through the same speakers?
I'm betting you can't get 2 separate systems in the same room with the same placement in that room on the exact same gear and cables.
BTW....who were these 5 testers ? Did they even know what they were listening for, or were they just friends with a passive interest ?
Your premise is that nobody should be able to hear a difference because to you they don't exist. Because they don't exist to you, then they don't exist to anyone else. Sound logical to you ? If that's how you approach audio in general, your going to be stuck in the mud where your at.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Merely stating a fact. It was not meant to be rude or insulting in any way. No need to get defensive if you have chosen to cast your lot in with a known schizophrenic sociopath. (jinjuku and habanero are quite literally the same person...and he has conversations with himself/agreeing with himself. If that isn't a sign of severe mental illness then cables don't matter).
Apparently you don't have the ability to detect rudeness and insults. You did it again. In a back handed way you referred to me as schizophrenic sociopath. I don't know these people but I can assure you haven't cast my lot with anyone, let alone schizophrenic sociopath. I'm not a member of your faithful so attack away. It doesn't really matter to me and it makes you look bad. -
I will take the bet. Duplicate the gear in my sig and we will set it up on the wall opposite my current setup. Then using my office chair I can be spun around to face one setup or the other. Of course you will have to pay for the gear, and the three additional 20 amp lines required. At least you will have a nice stereo at the end of the test, but be $5000 poorer. I get to keep the additional 20 amps lines.
My setup sounds much better after being on 48 hours compared to just being turned on.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Apparently you don't have the ability to detect rudeness and insults. You did it again. In a back handed way you referred to me as schizophrenic sociopath. I don't know these people but I can assure you haven't cast my lot with anyone, let alone schizophrenic sociopath. I'm not a member of your faithful so attack away. It doesn't really matter to me and it makes you look bad.
There is no faithful here. Other than a (reasonable?) expectation for people to discover on their own whether there are differences, subtle or not, in what they hear with their own ears in their own audio systems. With different pieces of gear, speaker placement, and on and on it goes; not something you read somewhere or heard about.
It's just a hobby, it's supposed to be enjoyable, and finding out things you didn't know existed is part of that enjoyment.
So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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The bet.
Typical naysayer BS. Throw out a challenge that you know isn't going to happen for any number of reasons and then say, but nobody took my bet. It's a pathetic desperation move on your part.
Rude and insulting? Yes indeed, all of your posts have been, so stop trying to spin it around. You're not that good, not even close.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
holy cow, what happened here?
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I tried a cold start and a 2 hour warm up. I am not sure I could tell the difference however once I ran higher volume and then backed it off a bit it sure seemed like these 707s played more to my liking. I sort of think that simply leaving my equipment on with nothing playing did not make as much of a difference as warming things up with a load. I don't want to belabour the point but so far playing the same track I can tell that these speakers need to run a bit on higher volume before they start to open up which was not the case with the Monitor 70s as the fronts.
I am lactose intolerant so I have a cow bias but I don't think my ears are lying to me. -
BTW the bottoms that these 707s kick leaves no need for a sub
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Obi-Jin juku was a fool, and weak minded like his master. I sense a disturbance in the Force. A presence I've not felt since...................
Obi Gyn juju has taught him well.
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I can tell that these speakers need to run a bit on higher volume before they start to open up which was not the case with the Monitor 70s as the fronts.
Makes perfect sense, the 707's are a larger speaker with more drivers.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I am lactose intolerant so I have a cow bias but I don't think my ears are lying to me.
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Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
