Bi-Wiring, what exactly is it doing?
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Kevin, sorry pal....you couldn't be more wrong about so much. I get you did your tests years ago and no differences were heard. Normally I'd let that slide and say well ok then, they don't matter to YOU. However, if you can name these cables and the gear it was used on along with speakers, we'd appreciate it.
Even if they don't matter to YOU, doesn't mean that everyone else has to hear what Kevin hears.
I also don't subscribe to this "pass the signal unaltered" stuff. Everything alters the signal to some degree, for better or worse. That's why pre amps don't all sound the same, speakers, amps, cdp's, cables, dacs....you name it. It also doesn't matter either, as everyone will buy what suits their own preferences. Piecing together all the different sound signatures or characteristics is called synergy, has absolutely zero to do with passing a signal unaltered as we all play to our own personal preferences.
If cables didn't matter, I'm guessing your using all monoprice stuff ? If not, why not ? Or are all their cables somehow broken ? I won't even get into the different sound signatures of metallurgy. Make up a couple sets of IC's using the same plugs on each. Make up pairs with copper, silver, brass, aluminum....gold may be too expensive, and tell me you can't hear a difference.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I have watched this thread grow for the past couple of weeks. Really funny and laughable. If you don't see the need to spend excessively on cables then be happy with the ones you have.
I feel that cables are an extension of the complete system. My cables represent an expenditure of about 25% of my system. With the investment being made I do not find that out of the question.
I would also like to understand the equipment that was used in this blind test. But my expectation of the list would be a system that cannot resolve to the level needed to tell the difference.
If you would like you can come visit my system and exchange the SC's. I have 3 sets. One set of Doug bi-amp/bi-wires, a set of AQ and a set of monster. You change them out as you feel and I bet $100, on each set, I can tell you which ones are connected.2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Norma Revo DAC-2, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon, WAY power cables for all other sources. -
I would also like to understand the equipment that was used in this blind test. But my expectation of the list would be a system that cannot resolve to the level needed to tell the difference.
Bingo!!
There was a time that I couldn't really tell a difference, but the more I have upgraded my equipment the more difference cables make. I am not talking slight differences either.Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
Kevin. So let's make sure I read your post correctly. You said they could make a "tiny" difference. Correct??
If that is correct then I can hear the difference on my system as stated by you. That is exactly what is being discussed. With the investment I have made and the extremes I go to for better results I will continue to travel down the road to better cables when I think the investment is necessary.
We can state opinions all day but until you provide sufficient information to back up your claims I will continue to shake my head every time you make a response.2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Norma Revo DAC-2, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon, WAY power cables for all other sources. -
Disagree.
The best cable is one that transfers a signal fully intact.Yes, actually the WHOLE object is to pass a signal unaltered, when dealing with speaker cables. It is not a purest mentality, but a logical mentality. Cables do nothing more than "Pass a signal"
There is no audio cable in existance (created with the technology we posess) that will pass an audio signal (made up of electricity) fully intact. There will be degredation to the signal no matter what wire (brand, metal(s), dialectric, configuration, and termination) is used. This includes both analog and digital cables.
That said, different cable configurations (geometry), dialectrics, metal(s), and terminations can degrade the signal less (or more). With lower degredation, the better the audio that ends up at your speakers, amp, DAC, pre-amp, etc.
This is why some cables sound better than others.
I should clarify (in reading back my post) that when I say fully intact, I mean completely unaltered. All electric signals are altered going through any wire in existance. Hopefully, that is more clearly stated.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
You guys are completely missing the point.
What I think, what comparison I did several years ago, and what my friends thought, none of that matters. What equipment I used, AND subsequently they used to do the same comparisons, none of that matters.
Those are just tests, fun and frustrating.
But what matters is reality. Subjective impressions and tests are fine, but they do not always predict reality. Reality is what matters.
No one is saying exactly "Cables do not matter", but something even simpler and totally based in reality, science and simple electronics.
They matter immensely to conducing the signal from amp to speaker, but beyond that, the actual choices made as far as MOST amp and speaker combos, and the short lengths we mostly use, and the very fact that we are dealing with fairly low audio frequencies, determines what amount of interaction they CAN have.
Those factors limit the inherent interaction.
Nothing to do with me, nor what 15 other guys on a forum say, nor what a cable ad says, or even what we wish or hope they might do or change.
It is not a battle of "Naysayers" versus "Believers", or "Haters of cables" versus "Those that love them".
The ideal connection would be a speaker with the amp output hooked right to the speaker input. That would eliminate all cable degradation.
The problem is, that ideal connection in reality, is not much better than even a mediocre cable can provide. Therefore, there are only tiny gains to be made.
We are barking up the wrong tree.
The reality is, you are missing the point and trying to pass it off onto us. ALL cables degrade the sound passed from one component to another. Some cables dgrade the audio less than others. That is the reality (and the point). The lower the degredation factor, the more improved the audio will become. The greater or lesser degree of degredation is/are the reason for differences in audio cables (for both analog and digital cables).
Perhaps the electronics involved in audio is not as "simple" as you perceive them to be.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
The reality is, you are missing the point and trying to pass it off onto us.
And when it occurs in every cable thread, and over and over in the same thread, it is called 'Trolling'.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
The problem is, that ideal connection in reality, is not much better than even a mediocre cable can provide. Therefore, there are only tiny gains to be made.
Tony said it best, "you couldn't be more wrong about so much"
You are barking up the wrong forum.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Others on this forum are in the same boat. Don't be mistaken - we can eliminate bias. Hell, most of us can probably tell you a handful of differences between the cables.
I eliminated bias by placing the biased on ignore...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it? -
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
Post edited by tratliff on2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Norma Revo DAC-2, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon, WAY power cables for all other sources.
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Why not share the info? I'd be very interested to see details. Is it posted elsewhere?Nor will I even bother going down the road about my cable tests I did years ago.
Beach Audio: Rega RP6 (mods) - AT33PTG/II - Parks Budgie SUT - PSAudio NPC * Eversolo DMP-A6 * Topping D90iii * Joule-Electra LA-100 mkIII * Pass Aleph 30 * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl (mods) * PSAudio PPP3
Beach Study: Pro-Ject Stream Box S2 Ultra & Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * DH Labs SS Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354 * PSA Dectet
Beach Master: WiiM Pro * Dayens Menuetto * Zu Libtec * Dynaudio Audience 50
Beach Den: Bluesound Powernode 2i * DH Labs SS Q10 * Zu Omen DWII * Richard Gray RGPC
Town Study: WiiM Pro * Chord Qute (Pardo) * Elekit TU-8600 * MIT S3 * Revel M22 * Beyer DT-990 * Shunyata Hydra 2
Town Den: Music Hall mm5.1se - Denon DL-103r - Jolida JD9ii (mods) * WiiM Pro * Cary xCiter * Rogue 99 Magnum * Schiit Aegir * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 1.2tl (mods) * Dectet * Bottlehead Crack - Senn 600
Town Porch: WiiM Pro Plus * Sunfire Sig II * Canare 4S11 * Magnepan 1.6 * Dectet -
You guys would be horrified to know what I am using for speaker cable right now.-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
He cant post what he has never done, and it's too much work to do to cover up his lies.
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it? -
Kevin. So let's make sure I read your post correctly. You said they could make a "tiny" difference. Correct??
If that is correct then I can hear the difference on my system as stated by you. That is exactly what is being discussed. With the investment I have made and the extremes I go to for better results I will continue to travel down the road to better cables when I think the investment is necessary.
We can state opinions all day but until you provide sufficient information to back up your claims I will continue to shake my head every time you make a response.
Tiny difference...correct.
I have made no "Claims". Nor will I even bother going down the road about my cable tests I did years ago.
I realize some are simply happy believing what they believe, and simply do not want to know or hear the truth.
Anyone with even the simplest knowledge of basic electronics, and speakers and audio realize the speaker cable thing, is a dead end. A non issue mostly.
Attacking my credibility, along with other forum members, simply shows a lack of a real argument.
As far as providing more information. I will decline. I see where ALL these "Audio Myth" debates go.
First attack the messenger directly, then attack their hearing, then attack how the test was done, then attack the equipment used, then attack even the credibility of doing a blind test.
Then start silly comments, then attack the messenger. Then make more silly comments.
Pointless to talk logic basically.
I have to quote this for posterity, as it is an excellent example of a troll post. Line after line of opinion stated as fact, and written simply to inflame, aggravate, and start arguments.
For example:
“I have made no "Claims" ".
Yet, in the same post we see the same ‘Claims’ as in numerous previous posts, which are also repeated in multiple threads.
“I realize some are simply happy believing what they believe, and simply do not want to know or hear the truth.”
and
“Anyone with even the simplest knowledge of basic electronics, and speakers and audio realize the speaker cable thing, is a dead end. A non issue mostly.”
Then when people ask basic questions regarding the veracity of these ‘Claims’, we get
“Nor will I even bother going down the road about my cable tests I did years ago. ”
and
“As far as providing more information. I will decline.”
LOL.
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
Kevin, even those with a basic knowledge of common sense know when to stop digging a hole.
I suppose all those people who make cables, speakers, amps, etc, have no basic knowledge of electronics ? That's a pretty bold statement there chief, I'll give ya a chance to retract it.
Speaking for myself, I've never walked into a hi-fi shop, gone to audio shows, or visited anyone who has a midrange system on up, who use a basic cable such as Monoprice. I've never seen or heard of a band worth their salt using basic cables. Nor have I heard of any musician, late night talk show bands, or anyone else who has been into music or audio for any length of time.
Now, that's not to say there isn't any either, but I would also say that's certainly a minority. So all these highly educated people who build this stuff, must all be somehow compromised...crazy....idiots ? People with far more credentials than you ?
I also find it funny that X has bought some Monster cables in the FM. All those lessor brands must be broke I guess. Ahh....but he only paid 20 bucks, and that's the crux of the matter right there. A lot of times peoples opinions follow their wallet.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I wish my wallet could follow my opinions.
-Kevin
HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
2 Channel:
Oppo BDP-83 SE
Squeezebox Touch
Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
VTL 2.5
McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
B&W 801's
Transparent IC's -
I also find it funny that X has bought some Monster cables in the FM. All those lessor brands must be broke I guess. Ahh....but he only paid 20 bucks, and that's the crux of the matter right there. A lot of times peoples opinions follow their wallet.
Tony. I think you have hit the nail on the head. I have a feeling that some have wallets that cannot afford them the luxury of high quality cables. Therefore they don't know what they don't know because they have never been exposed to the better cables.
That's not to say that cables must cost big $$$'s to be great but you have to be open to spending the $$$'s to see the difference.
2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Norma Revo DAC-2, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon, WAY power cables for all other sources. -
Now, that's not to say there isn't any either, but I would also say that's certainly a minority. So all these highly educated people who build this stuff, must all be somehow compromised...crazy....idiots ? People with far more credentials than you ?
I will take this opportunity to plug Shunyata.
As an engineer, I appreciate the engineering, science, and patents behind Shunyata products. As a customer, I have discovered that their products have greatly improved the resolution of my system, with both current and previous gear.
The founder, Caelin Gabriel, seems to have a basic grasp of electronics.
“Within the audio-video industry, there is no engineer with a more complete understanding of the scientific tenets critical to signal isolation and current delivery. These unique work related experiences at the highest levels of government and computer science led Caelin Gabriel to develop a series of fundamental precepts for the patented technologies and custom-designed parts that form the cornerstone of Shunyata Research products.”
http://www.shunyata.com/about-shunyata/people
A list of manufacturers and others who are fooled by Shunyata snake-oil.
Audio Research Corporation
Balanced Audio Technology
Bel Canto Design
Focal France
Meridian-America
VTL Audio
Wilson Audio
http://www.shunyata.com/reviews-all/manufacturer-endorsements
Studios, etc. that use Shunyata products.
http://www.shunyata.com/reviews-all/pro-users
When Kevin and ‘X-man’ start a successful company based on their ‘engineering’ then they might acquire some credibility.
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
Kevin -
Just for sh*ts and giggles give us some insight into the cables that were used and also the equipment. I am certain that my statements would be proven true when that information is provided.
Help us understand your thoughts????? Don't just feed us techno babble. I can state specs all day. Real life scenarios work better.2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Norma Revo DAC-2, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon, WAY power cables for all other sources. -
Deleted - will try the quote thing again later...
Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
YET, at the same time.....
No one can pass a blind test and pick out their "Better cables"
I do not have a dog in the fight.
I am not looking to convince people to spend their money.
I am willing to bet that I can pick between my MIT's and Audioquest Diamondback I/C cables every time on my system....
You in?? We can meet up and set the system up - you can switch all you want without my knowledge.
Make it a substantial amount so it isn't a waste of my time and we'll do it!!
Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
I am not looking to convince people to spend their money.
No, your looking to convince people to not spend their money.....on something you know nothing about yet. Is that not why you and a few others always jump on cable threads ? Just asking is all, you keep saying you have no dog in this fight yet you keep posting in it.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
I am willing to bet that I can pick between my MIT's and Audioquest Diamondback I/C cables every time on my system....
You in?? We can meet up and set the system up - you can switch all you want without my knowledge.
Make it a substantial amount so it isn't a waste of my time and we'll do it!!
I'll take a piece of that bet. My money is on VMAXER.2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Norma Revo DAC-2, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon, WAY power cables for all other sources. -
You guys sure like to care about what others think a lot, don't you?I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii
Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999
Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3
HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000 -
I am willing to bet that I can pick between my MIT's and Audioquest Diamondback I/C cables every time on my system....
You in?? We can meet up and set the system up - you can switch all you want without my knowledge.
Make it a substantial amount so it isn't a waste of my time and we'll do it!!
I'll take a piece of that bet. My money is on VMAXER.
I really think either he has never had a good enough system to tell or just another troll.
There was a time I couldn't tell the difference, but as I have upgraded over the years it is almost unbelievable how much difference cables can make. I love the hobby (if that's a correct way to say it). I just wish I could afford the really high end.Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
10 pages of speaker cable exchanges has tweaked my interest. Crutchfield has many $ levels of AudioQuest cable, are they worthy, should I pick my price point and order?
With my setup should I be able to tell the difference? Currently using C&E CNE62270 100-Feet 12AWG Enhanced Loud Oxygen-Free Copper Speaker Wire $40 from Amazon and Deadbolt Banana Plugs, 12-pair, By Sewell Direct $30? Anyone's 2 cents appreciated. -
10 pages of speaker cable exchanges has tweaked my interest. Crutchfield has many $ levels of AudioQuest cable, are they worthy, should I pick my price point and order?
With my setup should I be able to tell the difference? Currently using C&E CNE62270 100-Feet 12AWG Enhanced Loud Oxygen-Free Copper Speaker Wire $40 from Amazon and Deadbolt Banana Plugs, 12-pair, By Sewell Direct $30? Anyone's 2 cents appreciated.
I have no experience with those so I can't really say.
What equipment??Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
concealer404 wrote: »You guys sure like to care about what others think a lot, don't you?
Just tired of the trolls, I am willing to bet on my actual experience, not what can be read on the net.
Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404
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