Bi-Wiring, what exactly is it doing?

tratliff

kevintomb wrote: »

I think the general consensus is to simply bash anything fairly low priced, and anything that is AVR.

I have owned about a half dozen receivers over the last several years, and on a whim bought an entry level Sony AVR a few years ago, for my one home threatre set up and expected it to sound like crap after reading comments in a few forums.

To my surprise it sounded quite good. In fact all the bad comments I had read, turned out to be mostly not true.

I still like my one HK from 1981, but honestly it cost 219.99 at the time, which was a decent bit for a 20 WPC basic receiver.

But I got my sony for $169.99 on sale, and it does a lot more, and still sounds fairly good.

Not perfect mind you, and not the final word on anything, but not even close to as bad as how some describe them.

I think this quote, from another thread, might help us understand the level of equipment that our friend Kevin might be using. I NOW understand all his comments.

ZLTFUL

"Everyone said it sounded like crap but I thought it sounded good. Clearly everyone else was wrong, not me."

That doesn't sound egotistical at all or anything.

BlueFox

LOL. Deja Moo. Good one.

tratliff

Keep dancing..... We have been exposed to some of the equipment but nothing worthy of a discussion.

vc69

tratliff wrote: »

I think this quote, from another thread, might help us understand the level of equipment that our friend Kevin might be using. I NOW understand all his comments.

Yeah, that explains a lot.

vcwatkins

kevintomb wrote: »

My main media is 128kbps MP3, and Cassette and low quality streaming.

I am running some Sound Design speakers from a 3 piece system from the 1980s.

My panasonic thrusters are still belting out the tunes!

Okay, clearly trolling. Added to ignore list.

vc69

kevintomb wrote: »

My main media is 128kbps MP3, and Cassette and low quality streaming.

I am running some Sound Design speakers from a 3 piece system from the 1980s.

My panasonic thrusters are still belting out the tunes!

I think the point here is that you are expressing your opinions among a group of people that aspire to a high-fidelity listening experience. You clearly do not. Which is fine I suppose, but totally invalidates your input regarding such matters and makes your input unwelcome and inappropriate.
If fidelity is your goal, why not come clean and tell us what your reference system is?
I don't necessarily disagree with some of your points, but I would like to know what your baseline for fidelity is. Judging by the above quote, and the previous one from @tratliff, you have a low bar.

ken brydson

kevintomb wrote: »

vc69 wrote: »

tratliff wrote: »

I think this quote, from another thread, might help us understand the level of equipment that our friend Kevin might be using. I NOW understand all his comments.

Yeah, that explains a lot.

My main media is 128kbps MP3, and Cassette and low quality streaming.

I am running some Sound Design speakers from a 3 piece system from the 1980s.

My panasonic thrusters are still belting out the tunes!

That explains A LOT!

tonyb

I for one don't agree, but your certainly welcome to stand in the minority.

F1nut

I think we can at least now partially agree, though, that speaker cables falls into that realm.

That would be a big, HELL NO WE DON"T.

tonyb

F1nut wrote: »

I think we can at least now partially agree, though, that speaker cables falls into that realm.

That would be a big, HELL NO WE DON"T.

LOL.....ya know, for someone with "no dog in this fight", he certainly wants at least some to believe in this supposed "audio myth". Put the shovel down Kevin, you won't like North Korea.

BlueFox

kevintomb wrote: »

I think we can at least now partially agree, though, that speaker cables falls into that realm.

Still trolling. It never stops.

headrott

kevintomb wrote: »

Okay guys, leaving the discussion at this point.

It is pointless to get into a discussion of anything that is considered an "Audio Myth".

I think we can at least now partially agree, though, that speaker cables falls into that realm.

But....but....but, you @kevintomb (and @xcapri79 ) still haven't adressed any of the questions that were asked in this thread and the ".....time of day" thread. What happened to a friendly debate and reasoning things out using logic?

Also, you have yet to prove that speaker cables fall into the "audio myth" category. So, I believe that a majority of us do not agree with your sentiment.

gp4jesus

RECOMENDATIONS?
This thread unfortunately morphed into yet another IC/wire mudslinging thread.

That said: lF one was in the market for bulk length inexpensive light speaker wire in the 18-20 gage range for, say, tweeters - either rewiring or true bi-amping.

I have some Monster cable I got free about that size but appreciate other opinions.

Thanks in advance for mature responses.

Tony

tonyb

BJC or Canare....but you can find great deals on the used markets too.

gp4jesus

Thanks for taking time and patience to respond maturely!

vmaxer

BlueFox wrote: »

LOL. Deja Moo. Good one.

I see it got removed, guess the bull word wasn't appropriate. I understand and probably should have cleaned it up.

F1nut

vmaxer wrote: »

I see it got removed, guess the bull word wasn't appropriate. I understand and probably should have cleaned it up.

Too bad, that was great!!!

F1nut

Keiko wrote: »

And again, I'm not your friend. Enjoy your sociopathic psychosis.

It's like Deja Moo all over again, eh Mike?

headrott

And @kevintomb and @xcapri79 still aren't answering any questions; and yet are still continuing their "witty" banter. Does this show that they are continuing their usual behavior because their intentions are to show they are correct? Or is it because they are not able to prove they are correct; and they are not able to have a two way constructive conversation leading to learning something.

I will leave it to the reader to decide.............

Would @kevintomb and @xcapri79 like to decide to engage in some real conversation? Or are you going to follow the same pattern? Please say you have something real to add to this "conversation" and that you are not really here to get the thread(s) closed and/or try to demean others instead of trying to show your views are correct.

I look forward to your reply to the many questions asked in this thread and the "sound quality and time of day thread".

nooshinjohn

You will be waiting till hell freezes over. We have a better chance of John, Paul, George and Ringo taking the world by storm on a new world tour, and two of them are dead.

PSOVLSK

xcapri79 wrote: »

Keiko wrote: »

I'd probably go with 12 or 14 AWG. If you're looking for inexpensive, bulk wire. Blue Jeans Cable would be my recommendation.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

I'm glad my efforts are finally paying off my and you are offering a good suggestion. Perhaps the cable debates are over now that my friend Keiko has turned to the right side.

Thank you.

x-man: I believe this proves that you understand that cables make a difference. There are much cheaper alternatives than the BJC referenced by Keiko that would surely get the signal from point A to point B.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cerrowire-250-ft-Clear-14-2-Speaker-Wire-260-1402G3/202206463
This seems more in line with what you would recommend.

This is a sincere post based on your well known opinion on the subject of cables. I'm not intending to be funny, demeaning, etc.

F1nut

I take issue with the esoteric type of speaker cables that cost several hundred or thousands of dollars for typical lengths which make unscientific claims as to their performance over that of the reasonably priced cables mentioned above.

Yet, from what I have been able to discern based on your stated experiences with cable, you have never tried the cables you rail against, instead choosing to rely on speculation under the guise of science rendering your opinion on the matter useless.

tonyb

F1nut wrote: »

, instead choosing to rely on speculation under the guise of science rendering your opinion on the matter useless.

Cha-ching. I believe that has been the point all along.

Science.....even within their own scientific community, do not opinions vary ? Do they not question one another ? How tests are done....what equipment was used, what conditions, if those conditions were accurately reproduced ?

If all that was still on the up and up, scientist would still disagree with one another in certain areas. Scientist themselves are not immune to the same biases, placebo, whatever you want to call it.....especially when grant money is involved.

PSOVLSK

xcapri79 wrote: »

... I've never quibbled over the sensibly priced choices...

So as long as the cable is not what you perceive to be overpriced then cables make a difference?

PSOVLSK

kevintomb wrote: »

PSOVLSK wrote: »

xcapri79 wrote: »

... I've never quibbled over the sensibly priced choices...

So as long as the cable is not what you perceive to be overpriced then cables make a difference?

Kinda the other way around. (( I feel the same as what you quoted from him...))
Cables make a small difference in LESS DEGRADATION OF THE SOUND, up to a certain point. But not based purely on price.

I don't see how it's the other way around. He said that as long as they are sensibly priced, cables can make a difference.

You guys decide, either they can make a difference or they can't.

I'll ask again and I won't expect an answer since I've asked several times and haven't gotten an answer: What cables do you use kev? x-man?

vmaxer

To the trolls.

DollarDave

So, you think you use Monster cable, but aren't certain of the gauge, and then claim that after a certain unspecified gauge (fairly early on) that there is no discernible difference?

What kind of fool are you?

Now you've attempted to change your argument from "don't make a difference" to "don't make a discernible difference". [edit] you've edited that to "Meaningful difference" ... But either way, is that to you, or to someone else? Where is your scientific measurement as to where the difference becomes "meaningful"?

Then, you are making a broad statement about when a speaker cable is reasonably sized and of a short length, it is not the most important thing that can be tweaked... Do you have the ability to comprehend what you read? I can honestly say that no one on this forum has ever stated that cables are the most important thing in their system...

I'm an armchair shrink, I think your biggest problem is, although you and x only allude to it, is the amount of money that some people spend on their ic's and cables...

Your just jealous. And foolish. Very, very foolish.