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Nevermind, not getting into another pissing match on here.
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AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »Nevermind, not getting into another pissing match on here.
Aww c'mon man, I just put in the jiffy pop. LOL
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Here's the Official ruling by the Official.

Referee Pete Morelli:
“The back judge threw his flag for defensive pass interference. We got other information from another official (head linesman) from a different angel that thought the contact was minimal and didn’t warrant pass interference. Face-guarding is not a foul. It is a penalty in college but not in professional football.”
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Here's the Official ruling by the Official.

Referee Pete Morelli:
“... We got other information from another official (head linesman) from a different angel that thought the contact was minimal and didn’t warrant pass interference. Face-guarding is not a foul.”
Well....I would take the word of that angel. They tend to see things that us mere mortals just don't.
Apparently, he/she was even a face-guardian angel!!
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Way too much discussion on stuff that's OVER!
On to this week!
Ravens at N.E. Could go either way. Hard to predict WHICH Pats team will show up, that's the real issue. If their best doesn't show Ravens cruise to a win!
Luck lucks out in Denver? Andrew's hand is burning, it bursts into flames as Manning keeps throwing "weak" floaters?
Cowboys DEFENSE is the question? Do they bottle up the A.R.? It can be done. You can slow him down and limit his production. Will the 'Boys do that or go into their normal "choke" mode leaving Seattle to mop up GB next week?
Does anyone really think that the Panthers? can win in Seattle? Next question.
Some uncertainty above so I expect to be wrong (50 percent?). lol
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I think GB will walk all over Dallas, but I think the Panthers might just surprise Seattle, though I think Seattle will squeak through with a win.
Denver will find themselves again and annihilate the Colts., and Baltimore will be crushed by the Pats.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »I think GB will walk all over Dallas, but I think the Panthers might just surprise Seattle, though I think Seattle will squeak through with a win.
Denver will find themselves again and annihilate the Colts., and Baltimore will be crushed by the Pats.
You picked a fine time to start sniffing glue my friend.
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You left off the part where the NFL head of officials also said there should have been a holding call, which would have also resulted in the first down, not to mention the fact that Bryant should have been flagged for running on the field without a helmet.Here's the Official ruling by the Official.
Referee Pete Morelli:
“The back judge threw his flag for defensive pass interference. We got other information from another official (head linesman) from a different angel that thought the contact was minimal and didn’t warrant pass interference. Face-guarding is not a foul. It is a penalty in college but not in professional football.”
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AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »You left off the part where the NFL head of officials also said there should have been a holding call, which would have also resulted in the first down, not to mention the fact that Bryant should have been flagged for running on the field without a helmet.
The holding call came before the interference call and they didn't see that until the replay. So that has nothing to do with this discussion. Running onto the field of play without a helmet is not illegal (Coaches do it all the time) its only illegal if you're a player ON the field and you take your helmet off.
So I'm not leaving anything out. They pickup the flag...end of story!
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Denver vs Green Bay in the Super Bowl again. And again Denver wins it.Dan
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Panthers will win it all. Did I just say that on the internets?
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Gotta come thru Seattle boys....
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Answer me this then, if the call was correct then why is everyone still talking about it? Every sports show was still talking about it today, a full 48 hours after it happened. What I linked to was how the NFL Head of officiating responded to it, so clearly HE thinks it has something to do with this discussion.AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »You left off the part where the NFL head of officials also said there should have been a holding call, which would have also resulted in the first down, not to mention the fact that Bryant should have been flagged for running on the field without a helmet.
The holding call came before the interference call and they didn't see that until the replay. So that has nothing to do with this discussion. Running onto the field of play without a helmet is not illegal (Coaches do it all the time) its only illegal if you're a player ON the field and you take your helmet off.
So I'm not leaving anything out. They pickup the flag...end of story!
My point is bigger than this particular instance and I think some are missing it. I've already acknowledged that this call didn't hand the game to Dallas. The larger issue is the lack of consistency and inability to review calls, it's only a matter of time before that does ultimately decide a game and it would be great if we could get it fixed before then. After a game like that on Sunday it's a shame that the majority of the focus on that game remains around the call, not just here but in all the sports world.
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There are questionable calls every week.. Add to the recipe that it is the Dallas Cowboys a team no stranger to controversy and the NFL and the media have turned this into reality tv.
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How do you propose to "get it fixed" ? I think for the most part, there's a certain element of human error that will occur in any sports officiating. It all washes in the end, sometimes your on the positive end of that stick, sometimes not.
I also think this obsession with micro managing every aspect of sports will be their ruin. I believe sports was much more enjoyable before instant replay.HT SYSTEM-
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AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »Answer me this then, if the call was correct then why is everyone still talking about it?
Everyone has opinions and you know how that goes...I also think this obsession with micro managing every aspect of sports will be their ruin. I believe sports was much more enjoyable before instant replay.
Totally agree! I remember when instant replay came in...are you kidding me, just play the friggen' game!
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A few ideas come to mind, probably more if I had time to think it over...
1 - Instead of these 'all star' teams of refs just put the normal crews out there, guys that worked together all year long function better as a crew than splitting them all up. This was a big part of the issue in the game, the call was actually made on the field THEN they got together, a normal crew likely gets that right and we're not having this discussion.
2 - Make the refs full time jobs and have 'practice', just like the players and coaches. Typically in life the more you practice some the better and more consistent you get, not sure why that wouldn't work with the refs as well. The NFL has PLENTY of cash, just turn those into full time jobs.
3 - Biggest change...add the penalties within scope of instant replays. It's absurd that we have instant replay for everything else, but not for penalties that can have just as much impact on a game. Don't add automatic reviews, just make penalties another item that can be challenged by the coach. Don't give the coaches MORE challenges, they still just get the 2+1 they get today, just make the penalties something that can be challenged.
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3 good points I could get behind. Still though, human error will still occur, bad calls are part of any sport.HT SYSTEM-
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Mikey081057 wrote: »As it has been explained, it was not pass interference as he did not impede the receivers ability to catch the (underthrown) ball. They got it right. The ref who thru the flag never had the correct angel on the play to make the call to begin with he just figured that since the defender never looked back for the ball that he interfered with the receiver. It is not a penalty to not look back for the ball, only if there is contact that prevents the receiver from catching the ball. Both players have equal right to the ball and their position. There was minimal/incidental contact by both players. He was never going to catch that ball and therefore never was impeded by the defender access to catch the ball... The flag should have never been thrown. If he had thrown a better pass and the receiver could have caught the ball.... well you know what they say about my "aunt" and "if".
WRONG! He made contact with the receiver AND never got his head around to poay the ball. Missed call and the refs admited they missed the call. They also missed an obvious holding penalty on a critical 4th down play in the 4th qtr. They were VERY lucky to win that game, and they know it.
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Mikey081057 wrote: »As it has been explained, it was not pass interference as he did not impede the receivers ability to catch the (underthrown) ball. They got it right. The ref who thru the flag never had the correct angel on the play to make the call to begin with he just figured that since the defender never looked back for the ball that he interfered with the receiver. It is not a penalty to not look back for the ball, only if there is contact that prevents the receiver from catching the ball. Both players have equal right to the ball and their position. There was minimal/incidental contact by both players. He was never going to catch that ball and therefore never was impeded by the defender access to catch the ball... The flag should have never been thrown. If he had thrown a better pass and the receiver could have caught the ball.... well you know what they say about my "aunt" and "if".
WRONG! He made contact with the receiver AND never got his head around to poay the ball. Missed call and the refs admited they missed the call. They also missed an obvious holding penalty on a critical 4th down play in the 4th qtr. They were VERY lucky to win that game, and they know it.
And other officials including the ones on the field have called it incidental contact and not enough contact to cause the receiver to not be able to make a catch. The ball was underthrown and hit the defender in the back. It is not a penalty to not turn your head around unless you have clearly interfered with the receiver's ability to make a catch, which is the debate here. There was minor incidental contact by both players including a grab of the face mas by the receiver and a grab of the jersey by the defender.He grabbed his facemask to prevent him from turning and intercepting the poorly thrown ball. It was UNDERTHROWN and UNCATCHABLE which btw also has a bearing on a DPI call. It is obviously a controversial call, but not definitively the "WRONG!"call. Regarding other fouls that may have happened, they were not called so they can't be part of the argument. Could the defender have gotten his head around if his face mask wasn't grabbed? Perhaps... Where was that flag? Watch this weeks inside the nfl for a good explanation. The overwhelming majority of those analysts including an official concluded that there was NOT DPI on that play. You can cherry pick information to justify your opinion, but that does not make your opinion the de facto. You can't disregard that their are other officials and analysts who don't agree with your opinion.
You will see a new trend being adopted by a beaten defender where they turn their heads around to play the ball and their legs get tangled with the receivers legs tripping them "incidentally". They have made so many rule changes that give the offense the advantage that defensive players and coaches will always try to find ways to counter.
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I have seen the legs getting intertwined no call many times and thats fine, but the defender definitely interfered with his opportunity to catxh the ball. Its not a reviewable play and after officials got a chance to brewk it down, they admitted they
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I have seen the legs getting intertwined no call many times and thats fine, but the defender definitely interfered with his opportunity to catxh the ball. Its not a reviewable play and after officials got a chance to brewk it down, they admitted they
Missed it. Not the first time this has happened. Dallas got the call, plus a few more.
I respectfully disagree and many others do as well. The ball was underthrown to a blocking tight end. Had the QB led the receiver and put the ball over the defender then I would agree. There was NO way he was catching that ball and the QB's play not the defenders was the reason why. Why should you be rewarded for a bad pass play? And if you watch enough football you see them pick up flags and announce no foul on the play almost every game. Yes we will see more controversial calls in the NFL. I am in favor of Refs getting together to correct calls on the field however I do not wan't more replays as the game with all the timeouts and commercials can lag at times. The NFL has admitted that they missed the Holding call. but there was no DPI as was the ruling on the field. They also missed the face mask grab too.
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There are plenty of vids of the play online. Really watch the play and you will see that the defender had his left hand on the shoulder pad of the receiver, impeading the receiver from getting his arms in a position to catch the ball, all while running him over. Yes the ball was under thrown, but was definitely catchable. The defender never made a play on the ball and made contact with the reciever while the ball was in the air. Its all for everyone to see and of course the "experts" are going to try and downplay it.
I have seen far less get called all the time. The non holding call was even worse. The lineman literally tacked Suh on a fourth down play. When a call is or is not made is far more critical than the number of penalties. -
Completly forgot abot Bryant running out on the field WITHOUT IS HELMET to argue the call, getting in the refs face. That should have been an automatic 15 and a possible ejection. How can that not be addressed?
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Completly forgot abot Bryant running out on the field WITHOUT IS HELMET to argue the call, getting in the refs face. That should have been an automatic 15 and a possible ejection. How can that not be addressed?
Wow, you evidently don't know the rules!
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He was never "run over" there was only minor contact. Again the officials on the field agreed that it was not interference. He was NEVER going to catch that ball it hit the defender in the back. If he would have stopped and got run into then they would have made that call. But as he continued to go downfield turning to catch an underthrown uncatchable pass, it was concluded there was NO DPI. And they corrected the call which was the right thing to do. Why reward a team for a bad pass? Watch Inside the NFL 4 of 5 analysts including an ex official who is now an analyst said it was not DPI. The only one who called it interference was Brandon Marshall who will always say there is interference b/c he is a wide receiver.My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160
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That IS a rule. Its called a sideline infraction. Unsportsmanlike conduct. Coaches are given some leeway, but players cant just run on the field to argue a call. C'mon man, your better than that.
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Again that is not part of the argument, there was no call made, and it is not a penalty as many have claimed and insist on ignoring the rule. The rule is about taking your helmet off while you are a player on the field. He was told to get off the field and he did. The only way he would/should have been flagged was if he ignored the official's warning to get off the field.
While you are only defending the receiver and insist on bringing up non calls, why aren't you pointing out the receiver's grabbing of the defenders facemask? Isn't that a penalty?
If the play was to have been flagged properly there should have been offsetting fouls on both players and the down replayed. But there wasn't there was only DPI and the flag was picked up after conferring with officials who had a better view concluded there was no DPI. Remember the official who whew the flag picked it up which was admission of his mistake on his part. He was not told to nor did he have to he decided that he was wrong.
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Not sure what happened there. Are you trying to say that since he was not on the field of play at the time, he is not subject to a penalty? Players who are not substitutes cannot run onto the field, especially without their helmet. It doesnt get called often, but thats because mos players arent stupid enough to do it.
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