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Mikey081057

deronb1 wrote: »

Mikey081057 wrote: »

As it has been explained, it was not pass interference as he did not impede the receivers ability to catch the (underthrown) ball. They got it right. The ref who thru the flag never had the correct angel on the play to make the call to begin with he just figured that since the defender never looked back for the ball that he interfered with the receiver. It is not a penalty to not look back for the ball, only if there is contact that prevents the receiver from catching the ball. Both players have equal right to the ball and their position. There was minimal/incidental contact by both players. He was never going to catch that ball and therefore never was impeded by the defender access to catch the ball... The flag should have never been thrown. If he had thrown a better pass and the receiver could have caught the ball.... well you know what they say about my "aunt" and "if".

WRONG! He made contact with the receiver AND never got his head around to poay the ball. Missed call and the refs admited they missed the call. They also missed an obvious holding penalty on a critical 4th down play in the 4th qtr. They were VERY lucky to win that game, and they know it.

And other officials including the ones on the field have called it incidental contact and not enough contact to cause the receiver to not be able to make a catch. The ball was underthrown and hit the defender in the back. It is not a penalty to not turn your head around unless you have clearly interfered with the receiver's ability to make a catch, which is the debate here. There was minor incidental contact by both players including a grab of the face mas by the receiver and a grab of the jersey by the defender.He grabbed his facemask to prevent him from turning and intercepting the poorly thrown ball. It was UNDERTHROWN and UNCATCHABLE which btw also has a bearing on a DPI call. It is obviously a controversial call, but not definitively the "WRONG!"call. Regarding other fouls that may have happened, they were not called so they can't be part of the argument. Could the defender have gotten his head around if his face mask wasn't grabbed? Perhaps... Where was that flag? Watch this weeks inside the nfl for a good explanation. The overwhelming majority of those analysts including an official concluded that there was NOT DPI on that play. You can cherry pick information to justify your opinion, but that does not make your opinion the de facto. You can't disregard that their are other officials and analysts who don't agree with your opinion.

You will see a new trend being adopted by a beaten defender where they turn their heads around to play the ball and their legs get tangled with the receivers legs tripping them "incidentally". They have made so many rule changes that give the offense the advantage that defensive players and coaches will always try to find ways to counter.

deronb1

I have seen the legs getting intertwined no call many times and thats fine, but the defender definitely interfered with his opportunity to catxh the ball. Its not a reviewable play and after officials got a chance to brewk it down, they admitted they
Missed it. Not the first time this has happened. Dallas got the call, plus a few more.

Mikey081057

deronb1 wrote: »

I have seen the legs getting intertwined no call many times and thats fine, but the defender definitely interfered with his opportunity to catxh the ball. Its not a reviewable play and after officials got a chance to brewk it down, they admitted they
Missed it. Not the first time this has happened. Dallas got the call, plus a few more.

I respectfully disagree and many others do as well. The ball was underthrown to a blocking tight end. Had the QB led the receiver and put the ball over the defender then I would agree. There was NO way he was catching that ball and the QB's play not the defenders was the reason why. Why should you be rewarded for a bad pass play? And if you watch enough football you see them pick up flags and announce no foul on the play almost every game. Yes we will see more controversial calls in the NFL. I am in favor of Refs getting together to correct calls on the field however I do not wan't more replays as the game with all the timeouts and commercials can lag at times. The NFL has admitted that they missed the Holding call. but there was no DPI as was the ruling on the field. They also missed the face mask grab too.

deronb1

There are plenty of vids of the play online. Really watch the play and you will see that the defender had his left hand on the shoulder pad of the receiver, impeading the receiver from getting his arms in a position to catch the ball, all while running him over. Yes the ball was under thrown, but was definitely catchable. The defender never made a play on the ball and made contact with the reciever while the ball was in the air. Its all for everyone to see and of course the "experts" are going to try and downplay it.

I have seen far less get called all the time. The non holding call was even worse. The lineman literally tacked Suh on a fourth down play. When a call is or is not made is far more critical than the number of penalties.

deronb1

Completly forgot abot Bryant running out on the field WITHOUT IS HELMET to argue the call, getting in the refs face. That should have been an automatic 15 and a possible ejection. How can that not be addressed?

gce

deronb1 wrote: »

Completly forgot abot Bryant running out on the field WITHOUT IS HELMET to argue the call, getting in the refs face. That should have been an automatic 15 and a possible ejection. How can that not be addressed?

Wow, you evidently don't know the rules!

Mikey081057

He was never "run over" there was only minor contact. Again the officials on the field agreed that it was not interference. He was NEVER going to catch that ball it hit the defender in the back. If he would have stopped and got run into then they would have made that call. But as he continued to go downfield turning to catch an underthrown uncatchable pass, it was concluded there was NO DPI. And they corrected the call which was the right thing to do. Why reward a team for a bad pass? Watch Inside the NFL 4 of 5 analysts including an ex official who is now an analyst said it was not DPI. The only one who called it interference was Brandon Marshall who will always say there is interference b/c he is a wide receiver.

deronb1

gce wrote: »

deronb1 wrote: »

Completly forgot abot Bryant running out on the field WITHOUT IS HELMET to argue the call, getting in the refs face. That should have been an automatic 15 and a possible ejection. How can that not be addressed?

Wow, you evidently don't know the rules!

That IS a rule. Its called a sideline infraction. Unsportsmanlike conduct. Coaches are given some leeway, but players cant just run on the field to argue a call. C'mon man, your better than that.

Mikey081057

gce wrote: »

deronb1 wrote: »

Completly forgot abot Bryant running out on the field WITHOUT IS HELMET to argue the call, getting in the refs face. That should have been an automatic 15 and a possible ejection. How can that not be addressed?

Wow, you evidently don't know the rules!

Again that is not part of the argument, there was no call made, and it is not a penalty as many have claimed and insist on ignoring the rule. The rule is about taking your helmet off while you are a player on the field. He was told to get off the field and he did. The only way he would/should have been flagged was if he ignored the official's warning to get off the field.

While you are only defending the receiver and insist on bringing up non calls, why aren't you pointing out the receiver's grabbing of the defenders facemask? Isn't that a penalty?

If the play was to have been flagged properly there should have been offsetting fouls on both players and the down replayed. But there wasn't there was only DPI and the flag was picked up after conferring with officials who had a better view concluded there was no DPI. Remember the official who whew the flag picked it up which was admission of his mistake on his part. He was not told to nor did he have to he decided that he was wrong.

deronb1

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deronb1

Not sure what happened there. Are you trying to say that since he was not on the field of play at the time, he is not subject to a penalty? Players who are not substitutes cannot run onto the field, especially without their helmet. It doesnt get called often, but thats because mos players arent stupid enough to do it.

deronb1

Here it is:

From the 2013 NFL rule book (which is the only one I can find online)
Article 1 A Time Out is an interval during which the Game Clock is stopped (4-4) and includes the intermission (4-1-2 and 4- 1-3). During any time out, including an intermission, all playing rules continue in force. Representatives of either team are prohibited from entering the field unless they are incoming substitutes, or team attendants or trainers entering to provide for the welfare of a player, and any game-type activities are prohibited on the Field of Play. Note: The term Time Out (general) is not to be confused with a charged team time out, which is specific. (4-5-1).

Mikey081057

Yes players enter the field of play without their helmets on all the time. So you would have been ok with it if he had his helmet on? Of course not, but you are grasping for something to substantiate your position because it was determined that there was no pass interference to be called. You still ignore the grabbing of the facemask by the receiver while the ball was in the air which could have prevented him from looking back for the ball. Please address that non-call.

As far as the helmet rule, in this context they never call it, i see it every game. If a player is running on to the field putting his helmet on they don't call it, but if a player removes his helmet after a play to show up the other team after a play they call it every time. It wasn't a foul. The rule was put in place to prevent players from celebrating without their helmets after touchdowns ( it is affectionately known as the Emmitt Smith Rule) because he did it as part of a touchdown celebration.

deronb1

A: Re-read the rule
B: Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdAKk42OzVw

You are obviously a Cowboy fan and are rationalizing things. I get it. I don't hate Dallas, just hate to see obviously things get dismissed.

http://www.si.com/nfl/video/2015/01/04/dallas-cowboys-detroit-lions-pass-interference-non-call-jokes-conspiracy-theories-twitter

Mikey081057

Player Conduct Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1, prohibits a player from removing his helmet while on the field.

He didn't remove his helmet, he never had it on. You can interpret it as a foul but it can also be interpreted as not a foul. Besides it had nothing to do with the play. I get it you are grasping for something that validates your position.

Again you refuse to address the grabbing of the face mask by the receiver which is also a foul albeit was not called as the grab of the jersey was not called. It was ruled on the field that it was not sufficient contact and not DPI by the official who threw the flag after he was consulted by those who had a better view. He corrected his own call.

deronb1

Just saw the face mask grab from a good angle. Yes, that should have been called. Probably the best call, in retrospect, would have been offsetting penalties. Repeat 3rd down.

Bryant was still on the field illegally and should have been duly flagged for it.

Mikey081057

If they were to have throw 3 or 4 fouls on the play, then I think they still would have been offsetting and replay 3rd down. I am not sure how the Unsportsmanlike Conduct on the helmet off would have impacted that tho.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I get that these calls get missed all the time, but I can't recall too many of those in the past that the President has felt compelled to comment on:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12130526/president-barack-obama-says-pretty-aggravated-were-detroit-lions-fan

Seriously though, it's over and done with so doesn't matter now. My only point with all this was to learn from this and fix the system.

gce

Went home for lunch and turned on NFL network. They had the 1995 NFC Championship game on between the Packers and Cowboys. I only got to see the 4th quarter. Hopefully this is a preview of things to come.

nooshinjohn

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

I get that these calls get missed all the time, but I can't recall too many of those in the past that the President has felt compelled to comment on:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12130526/president-barack-obama-says-pretty-aggravated-were-detroit-lions-fan

Seriously though, it's over and done with so doesn't matter now. My only point with all this was to learn from this and fix the system.

So many ways to respond to this one LOL! I will let them all pass on by so I don't get banned.

Mikey081057

Wow even Obama has to weigh in....

Mikey081057

nooshinjohn wrote: »

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

I get that these calls get missed all the time, but I can't recall too many of those in the past that the President has felt compelled to comment on:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12130526/president-barack-obama-says-pretty-aggravated-were-detroit-lions-fan

Seriously though, it's over and done with so doesn't matter now. My only point with all this was to learn from this and fix the system.

So many ways to respond to this one LOL! I will let them all pass on by so I don't get banned.

Yeah my tongue needs stitches now....

Mr. Moderator is there any way you can prevent me from posting on this thread now because I may not be able to stop myself.

gce

Lets change the subject. Who do you guys think the all time best announcers where in The NFL. I'll have to go with John Madden and Pat Summerall. Really miss these guys calling the games.

nooshinjohn

gce wrote: »

Lets change the subject. Who do you guys think the all time best announcers where in The NFL. I'll have to go with John Madden and Pat Summerall. Really miss these guys calling the games.

Howard Cosell

Mikey081057

gce wrote: »

Lets change the subject. Who do you guys think the all time best announcers where in The NFL. I'll have to go with John Madden and Pat Summerall. Really miss these guys calling the games.

No doubt about it. A distant second was the original MNF team of Gifford Cosell & Meredith. They had some interesting moments.

gce

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Howard Cosell

Yeah, cant forget about Howard "Look at that little monkey run"

codyc1ark

nooshinjohn

gce wrote: »

nooshinjohn wrote: »

Howard Cosell

Yeah, cant forget about Howard "Look at that little monkey run"

From Wiki...

During the "Halftime Highlights" segment of Monday Night Football on September 24, 1973, Cosell said "Look at that little monkey run!" when describing a 97-yard kickoff return by Washington Redskins player Herb Mul-Key during the Sunday game against the St. Louis Cardinals. There was no outcry over this comment.

However, during a Monday Night Football telecast on September 5, 1983, Cosell said of Washington Redskins wide receiver Alvin Garrett, "That little monkey gets loose, doesn't he?"[22] The Rev. Joseph Lowery, then-president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, denounced Cosell's comment as racist and demanded a public apology, but Cosell refused, citing his past support for black athletes and stating that "little monkey" was an affectionate term he had used in the past for diminutive white athletes (including Mike Adamle, for whom Cosell was on record using the term 11 years prior), as well as for his own grandson. Cosell left the Monday Night Football booth following the 1983 season.

His ultimate dismissal from Monday Night Football may have come as the result of using the same monkey allusion with respect to the Washington Redskins wide receiver Art Monk ripping many after-catch yards into the end zone. "Look at that monkey go," he said, even though the moniker for Monk was an affectionate diminutive form like Jimmie for James....

Mikey081057

People may or may not realize but Howard was one of the worlds foremost experts on boxing. His frequent reparte's with Cassius Clay/ Muhammad Ali are some of the most wonderful moments of 70's sports. To this day, Ali IMHO is still the greatest athletic personality EVER!. Memories of his fights and his promotion of fights were some of the fondest memories of my youth.

jeremymarcinko