Why Are You Mad At Cables You Can't Afford?

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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,764
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    cokewithvanilla wrote: »
    Also, it does not help when people like DK bring up yet another thread (4 now) on cables within a week.... it just ends up as a great big merged thread for the same thing.

    If that is how you really feel and you are not just being hypocritical, why so many posts in recent cable-related threads?

    Why do you have any posts in this cable-related thread?
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    [Note: My post count in this thread noted in the table above is inclusive of this post.]

    Such good stats.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    DarqueKnight wrote: »
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    I'm bustin' a gut here. :biggrin:
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Hawkeye
    Hawkeye Posts: 1,313
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    Ouch! Facts sometimes get in the way..............

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
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    What do I do without Club Polk?

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  • cokewithvanilla
    cokewithvanilla Posts: 1,777
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    ... how many of those threads did I start?

    I don't understand how me posting in your thread has anything to do with you starting this thread which was completely unnecessary. The only purpose this thread could possibly have is to start things up... again (the title alone makes that completely obvious).
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,094
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    for those keeping score... that makes 46.
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  • cokewithvanilla
    cokewithvanilla Posts: 1,777
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    Keiko wrote: »
    Then why did you post in it? :confused: Such contradiction. :rolleyes:

    Thanks for playing, Cherry. We have some wonderful parting gifts for you. :biggrin:

    That's not a contradiction... regardless to whether or not I want the thread to be posted, it will still be posted. My silence will not change this. If I started posting similar threads, I would be contradicting myself.

    More importantly, it does not change the fact that DK posted this thread in order to start ****. If that was not his intention, or if he did not realize this before posting, he would have to be dumber than hellen keller... before the miracle worker
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  • gimpod
    gimpod Posts: 1,793
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    Now Now children let's all take some Valium and mellow out.

    After all cables are just wire, all amps are the same and vinyl is for little girls. :tongue:
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  • cokewithvanilla
    cokewithvanilla Posts: 1,777
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    Keiko wrote: »
    hellen who? :confused:

    My bad (spelling)

    but you know I meant Anne Frank.. she was deaf dumb and blind...:biggrin:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVjafyLilug
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  • cokewithvanilla
    cokewithvanilla Posts: 1,777
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    Kenneth Swauger wrote: »
    Hello,
    Actually Anne Frank was a child who died during WWII, I believe you are referring to Helen Keller.
    Regards, Ken

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  • Hawkeye
    Hawkeye Posts: 1,313
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    Bringing Helen Keller and Anne Frank into this discussion is revolting and disgusting, you folks need to grow up and find some other metaphor for your mud slinging. I STRONGLY request this thread be closed.

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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
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    Threads like this are very insightful
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,020
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    This thread needs pictures
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,094
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    One more post CwV and it will be an even 50:tongue:
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  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
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    I assume some or most of the people posting on here has read Speaker Wire,a History,by Roger Russell, with the testaments of Gordon Gow(president of McIntosh Labs,at the time)! I have no need or desire to add to the argument either way,however;i wanted to add that this is very good reading material! As well as Roger Russell's Article! Good day Gents! http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#gordongow
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    bobsauto49 wrote: »
    I assume some or most of the people posting on here has read Speaker Wire,a History,by Roger Russell, with the testaments of Gordon Gow(president of McIntosh Labs,at the time)! I have no need or desire to add to the argument either way,however;i wanted to add that this is very good reading material! As well as Roger Russell's Article! Good day Gents! http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#gordongow
    ROTFLMAO!!! You are new on the hobby and the history of cable debates on here. This link was brought more often than you think. Stay away from this thread if you do not want to be linched or eaten alive (I admit good article but honestly it will not stick to well here, just like soft mud)! :wink::biggrin::tongue:

    Couldn't resist :tongue:
    Looking at this from a different perspective, there will always be those who will want expensive wire, not because there is an audible difference, but because they may value pride of ownership and prestige in a similar way to that of owning a Tiffany lamp or a Rolex watch.
    Ah the prestige of the rolex! Right? DK :tongue:
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
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    bobsauto49 wrote: »
    I assume some or most of the people posting on here has read Speaker Wire,a History,by Roger Russell, with the testaments of Gordon Gow(president of McIntosh Labs,at the time)! I have no need or desire to add to the argument either way,however;i wanted to add that this is very good reading material! As well as Roger Russell's Article! Good day Gents! http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#gordongow

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  • bobsauto49
    bobsauto49 Posts: 973
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    Sorry Tech! But i must say, I thought that Article was Astounding! A must read for newbies like me! Guess i'll shut up now!
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    bobsauto49 wrote: »
    Sorry Tech! But i must say, I thought that Article was Astounding! A must read for newbies like me! Guess i'll shut up now!
    BTW, welcome to Club Polk! :smile: My intention by far to be mean to you, quite the opposite just want to protect from trauma. :wink: I posted that link maybe 3 years ago and after the public beating I cried for 2 weeks!:eek:
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    This thread needs pictures

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
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    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    Best picture ever.
    +1... everyone needs a hobby... may as well be indoor balcony jumping.

    Hard to believe this thread rolls on while pfb's honest question sits shut down.

    DK,
    I love ya man, but this thread was beneath you.
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • DON73
    DON73 Posts: 516
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    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    If that is how you really feel and you are not just being hypocritical, why so many posts in recent cable-related threads?





    Wire threads here are like political or religious threads in some other forums.
    They almost always end up the same way. You've been here long enough to know that yet you continue to start them. The title of this thread itself seems to have been so titled to provoke.
    A blind test would be easy to set up to prove if some people can hear a difference. But it won't happen. I'm not a naysayer so much as I am a doubter.
    Another point for a few others........it matters not one whit how long one has been posting here or how many posts one has. I've been an audio enthusiast since 1972 yet I know very little about the technical side of the hobby. I know non technical people who weren't even born when I bought my first speaker yet they know more about audio than I ever will and the are willing to discuss it with me and never talk down to me like some here like to do. "Talking down" can be very subtle but it's there.:smile::smile::smile: Be happy. I am.
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  • DON73
    DON73 Posts: 516
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    kevhed72 wrote: »
    MIT T4 used off Audiogon. :smile:


    Thanks for the recommendation.

    Years back I read an article that related an experience with a very expensive cable with a black box near one end. When the box was opened nothing but a small cheap resistor was found. I'm somewhat wary of speaker wires with little boxes attached:smile::smile:
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,316
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    It's funny to sit back and watch the trolls *female dog* the night away. Would it be too much for you guys to stay on topic? I.E. Why are you mad at cables you can't afford......?

    It's just a question. I, for one, would like to hear a logical answer.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
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    treitz3 wrote: »
    It's funny to sit back and watch the trolls *female dog* the night away. Would it be too much for you guys to stay on topic? I.E. Why are you mad at cables you can't afford......?

    It's just a question. I, for one, would like to hear a logical answer.

    Buy what ever you want. Just stop stating that perceived gains are 'facts' that sit in the absolute.

    So far I have been through Audio Quest King Cobra 1M XLR's and now the MIT EXP2. They haven't done any better or any worse than competent Belden/Canare that I run.

    I put the EXP2's through some more listening today and the punch of drums, the decay of cymbals all resolve like they do on my standard setup. I'm happy with my setup and all the tweaking that I have done. These were a simple curiosity for me and I have no real desire to tweak my L/C/R since I have it dialed out to my liking.
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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
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    An interesting read: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/04/audiophile_test_speaker_wire_ac_power_cable_record_demagnetizer-2/

    if you're going to comment on it, please read the whole thing. I think it offers good insight from a specific perspective.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
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    newrival wrote: »
    An interesting read: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/04/audiophile_test_speaker_wire_ac_power_cable_record_demagnetizer-2/

    if you're going to comment on it, please read the whole thing. I think it offers good insight from a specific perspective.

    Good article. I bet if the author had more time, and used music better recorded, he would have been able to better describe the differences. The fact he was able to hear differences simply swapping cables between songs is telling.
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  • On3s&Z3r0s
    On3s&Z3r0s Posts: 1,013
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    Eight pages, seriously? LuLz... glad I got in on this one early so I didn't have to waste a bunch of time reading about you guys playing with each others' cables. DK officially wins the Troll of the Year award for this one.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,776
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    On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »
    Eight pages, seriously? LuLz... glad I got in on this one early so I didn't have to waste a bunch of time reading about you guys playing with each others' cables. DK officially wins the Troll of the Year award for this one.
    You ever seen any of his research threads....very informative if you take the time to read them...or if you should ever have a chance to meet him...he is in person as he is here....you might learn that not all and finite information about everything does not come from an internet forum. Only from meeting a person who has taken his or her own valuable time to help others understand what is perceived as conjecture as to be a possible fact. Open minds are not a bad thing.
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  • ysss
    ysss Posts: 213
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    pearsall001 wrote: »
    This cable debate would make for an interesting episode on Mythbusters. Hmmmmmm....:smile:

    +1

    Another idea is to launch a cable company of your own and create cables with exotic materials. Maybe some treated rare metals off fukushima, esa'ala or wherever.

    Sell a boatload of them and see if people can actually perceive (generate?) the aural difference off them. When you get enough convert, come clean... tell them that they;re all just repainted monster cables and refund all the money....

    ....wait, I think this may have been the premise of some of the currently operating cable companies out there, they just need a reminder and a nudge to stop and come clean :D

    i kid... i kid...
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