Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited October 2009
    Gaara wrote: »
    Never heard of White Van cables. I thought we were talking about White Van Speakers.

    The White Van Speaker Scam usually has brochures or advertisements showing that the speakers they have sell for big money, usually $2k+. They offer to sell it to you for a paltry $500. You know nothing about the speakers beyond what they tell you, but many will buy based on the thought that they are getting $2k speakers for $500, they must be good for $2k. Another example would be Bose.

    Maybe you personally don't buy based price anchoring, but many do, that's the reason they do it. Flip open any audio advisor catalog and I can guarantee you will see some high priced AudioQuest speaker cable on the same page as some that are priced at 20-30% the price. You see the high priced ones first, then the cheaper ones, and then the ole "90% of the performance) spiel.

    As for it not being about price anchoring, I didn't say it was. You said: "if they were to increase substantially the price of white van speakers, many would fall for it". I think the crazy prices are just part of the equation. I would say that VERY few actually buy based on personal experience. You probably meant most on CP, but your average consumer is not very informed.

    And before a bunch of people jump in and say they don't buy based on price, the plural of anecdote is not statistic, nor are we all the "average" consumer.

    Amen. Good post!
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    Benjamin Franklin, February 17th, 1775.

    "The day that I have to give up my constitutional rights AND let some dude rub my junk...well, let's just say that it's gonna be a real bad day for the dude trying to rub my junk!!"
    messiah, November 23rd, 2010
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited January 2010
    I missed this thread! So, is it fact or fiction?

    Somebody please tell me coz I don't want to read all 74 pages.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited January 2010
    Really want to know what 74 pages say ?

    Try some different cables, in different price catagories, and find out for yourself.

    Thank me later for saving you the time.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited January 2010
    Ugh! . . . where are my Tums?:D
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2010
    Oh my God, can we send whoever resurrected this post to Guantanamo ? :eek:
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited January 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Oh my God, can we send whoever resurrected this post to Guantanamo ? :eek:

    Nope, destination is now Illinois buddy boy.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited January 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Oh my God, can we send whoever resurrected this post to Guantanamo ? :eek:

    Try Me! :D
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited January 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    I missed this thread! So, is it fact or fiction?

    Somebody please tell me coz I don't want to read all 74 pages.

    I'd say it's a new genre: FactualFiction...because one has to admit that a lot of what we find above makes for good 'reading', it excites, enrages, and boils some people's blood and it incites trolls galore to action as if they've downed a case of Red Bull and have nothing else to do for the next week!

    Never a dull moment and every month or so we have a new thread that is EXACTLY like this one...so it's also a never ending story line--what more can one ask for!

    Just kidding...

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited January 2010
    cnh wrote: »

    Never a dull moment and every month or so we have a new thread that is EXACTLY like this one...so it's also a never ending story line--what more can one ask for!

    Just kidding...

    cnh

    We call that Friday Night Fever on Club Polk! ;)
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,877
    edited January 2010
    This thread reminds me of herpes in that is has become the gift that keeps on giving and it always seems to flare up when it is least expected.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2010
    tonyb wrote: »
    Nope, destination is now Illinois buddy boy.

    That's right. Then send ME to Gitmo. Nice climate and no more bad guys. :D
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Try Me! :D

    Yep. In New York for a couple hundred mil. :)
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,666
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    That's right, I said it!

    The irony in your proclamation is that you have nothing to say.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    edited January 2010
    Now Jess, the youngster has lots to say, it's just that none of it makes any sense.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    What do you believe?

    I believe I am fed up with your ****.

    Get a life.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2010
    X please take a visit to my place. No cost but gas. I'll feed and house you for a weekend. There are at least two that have decent gear and cables. One can cook;)
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited January 2010
    Ben, you are better man than I. I have had it with his thread crapping.

    Good grief, if you don't like high end cables, don't buy them. It's quite simple. Why **** up every thread? He is contrary in almost every post he makes. It's like he strives to be an asshat. For the life of me I cannot understand why he posts here.
    -Kevin
    HT: Philips 52PFL7432D 52" LCD 1080p / Onkyo TX-SR 606 / Oppo BDP-83 SE / Comcast cable. (all HDMI)B&W 801 - Front, Polk CS350 LS - Center, Polk LS90 - Rear
    2 Channel:
    Oppo BDP-83 SE
    Squeezebox Touch
    Muscial Fidelity M1 DAC
    VTL 2.5
    McIntosh 2205 (refurbed)
    B&W 801's
    Transparent IC's
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2010
    I was a non believer. Some can hear, and I believe some can't. If some Polkies didn't have patiences with me I would have missed out on a lot.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    This thread reminds me of herpes in that is has become the gift that keeps on giving and it always seems to flare up when it is least expected.

    Sorry to hear about your herpes. Maybe they'll find a cure someday.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    What do you believe?

    I'm a Beatles fan, but I believe that John Lennon's solo work absolutely sucked.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited January 2010
    I agree.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited January 2010
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    I'm a Beatles fan, but I believe that John Lennon's solo work absolutely sucked.
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I agree.


    That's nice. Who cares?
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited January 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    I missed this thread! So, is it fact or fiction?

    Somebody please tell me coz I don't want to read all 74 pages.
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Fiction just like John Nash's imaginary friend "Charles" in the movie "A Beautiful Mind".
    Anything or anyone can become "real" to you, if you really believe it.

    That's right, I said it!
    F1nut wrote: »
    The irony in your proclamation is that you have nothing to say.

    Nothing of any consequence as he by his own admission has no experience with using various cables. He just repeats like a parrot what he reads against cables as gospel.

    xcapri want a cracker? Do trolls even eat crackers?

    Next up he will now put on his best martyr outfit and claim he's been attacked and whine about being called names. So predictable . . . it's a shame.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2010
    Dumb **** come to mind?
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2010
    "Sorry to hear about your herpes. Maybe they'll find a cure someday."

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    I thought it was syphillis that causes brain deterioration.:confused:
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,796
    edited January 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    X please take a visit to my place. No cost but gas. I'll feed and house you for a weekend. There are at least two that have decent gear and cables. One can cook;)
    Call me if this happens. I want a ring side seat.
    I'll do the heckeling.:D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,396
    edited January 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    X please take a visit to my place. No cost but gas. I'll feed and house you for a weekend. There are at least two that have decent gear and cables. One can cook;)

    Ben he's not interested in opening his mind, just being a troll. He's been offered to participate int the free MIT cable demo and is not interested.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Do trolls even eat crackers?

    Eventually, this one will eat crow. :D
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited January 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Eventually, this one will eat crow. :D

    I believe he already has.;)
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited January 2010
    bigaudiofanatic wrote: »
    I would not mind going and having a listen.

    I think that the thicker the cable the less resistance the signal has to flow to the speaker. But might I say that once you get to the speaker you still have to go threw what the speaker has for wire. I think it ends at 10 gauge wire and maybe something a bit nicer than monster. That is just how I see it.

    Well I am going to disagree with myself. After I got my MIT cables I am now a 100% believer in that cables make a difference.
    HT setup
    Panasonic 50" TH-50PZ80U
    Denon DBP-1610
    Monster HTS 1650
    Carver A400X :cool:
    MIT Exp 3 Speaker Wire
    Kef 104/2
    URC MX-780 Remote
    Sonos Play 1

    Living Room
    63 inch Samsung PN63C800YF
    Polk Surroundbar 3000
    Samsung BD-C7900
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