Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
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    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
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    Wow, I tried reading this thread and let's just say I learned all I needed to know in the first few pages, lol. While there are people who don't believe in speaker wire making a difference, there are some of us who do. I for one am a believer. I had an old Onkyo HTIB that was good enough for me at the time before I upgraded to what I have now. Included in that HTIB was some crappy fishing wire thin speaker wire. I had no idea what I was missing until I upgraded to some 14AWG speaker wire I bought at Best Buy. The difference was night and day on those little Onkyo speakers, and I can only imagine what my current Polk speakers would sound like with some "real" speaker wire. I only wish I still had that speaker wire to try on my Polk's, lol. Like has been stated many times over in this thread, if you don't believe then fine, that is your opinion. You aren't going to change my mind when I have experienced first hand what a difference "quality" speaker wire can make. Not trying to stir the pot, just offering my $.02.

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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,243
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    Personally, I'm all for free speech, but too many F-Bombs. Some of us like to read the Forum while at work on our breaks. When using company resources, ie the internet, there is no 'presumption' of privacy.
    Secondly, if you wouldn't say something to someone else in person, then you probably shouldn't type it up and send it to someone via an email or forum.

    If anyone else agrees, please chime in....
  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    WTF!?!?

    I didn't think I'd ever see this thread again...I hoped anyway...

    Well, at least we had 2 months and 2 days off :)
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
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    Keiko wrote: »

    Thank's and Cheer's! :D I always seem to find stuff while late night surfing but i periodically forget to bookmark the site's :o
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
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    kevhed72 wrote: »
    Personally, I'm all for free speech, but too many F-Bombs. Some of us like to read the Forum while at work on our breaks. When using company resources, ie the internet, there is no 'presumption' of privacy.
    Secondly, if you wouldn't say something to someone else in person, then you probably shouldn't type it up and send it to someone via an email or forum.

    If anyone else agrees, please chime in....

    Personally, I drop the F-bomb at least 2-4 times every hour in real life. It doesn't really bother me...in the slightest bit.
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  • kawizx9r
    kawizx9r Posts: 5,150
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    Personally, I drop the F-bomb at least 2-4 times every hour in real life. It doesn't really bother me...in the slightest bit.

    Not to start any sort of debate, but I too "drop the F-bomb" quite alot....comes with having been in the military :D

    As for seeing/reading this stuff online, keep in mind this is the internet and such content found on here or anywhere else is always subject to change...for the better and for the worse. I just hope kids aren't seeing this, but if they don't see it here they'll surely see/hear it elsewhere on the internet or elsewhere at home. :rolleyes:
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,250
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    On one hand, it would be nice to have intelligent, civil discourse on the forum, but that would require a quantum increase in IQ, and manners, of some members. And that is not going to happen.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,803
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    On one hand, it would be nice to have intelligent, civil discourse on the forum, but that would require a quantum increase in IQ, and manners, of some members. And that is not going to happen.
    Guilty as charged Your Honor. No decorum on the forum and peeing on every shrub that needs it.
    So there!
  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    Yawwwwwn :d
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
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    seafire wrote: »
    Yawwwwwn :d

    Yeah you are boring.
  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
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    thank's Keiko :)

    everybody and their gramma reccomend the canare, personally i really don't like the grey casing :o i really like the look of the dayton cuz it's black ;) anyone ever tried the dayton stuff?
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  • xrock
    xrock Posts: 22
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    Cable make a difference. NOT a myth. Recented updated my cables. 6cv, 8TC, Garden size speaker cable. What make the bigget difference is interconnect. Most important about interconnect is the first contact point. The terminal head must be heavy with plenty of pure copper head or silver head. You will enjoy music again.
  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
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    I suspect Bobt has tried maybe three cables purchased from CC, Best Buy and RatShack to reach his conclusions. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence to the fact.
  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
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    bardy154 wrote: »
    I used to be a skeptic myself, a proudly proclaimed audio atheist...until I tried different interconnect cables for myself.

    I swapped in some higher grade ICs and the first words out of my mouth were..."No way".

    I still remain a skeptic, but I keep an open mind and my ears open - I try for myself and I trust my own ears. If I hear a difference and I like it as an improvement - I integrate into my own system.

    Exactly! That's what it's about. Trying things for yourself, and forming your own opinion about it. Reading an article by Roger Russel and considering yourself an expert on the topic isn't quite the same as actually trying things FOR YOURSELF in YOUR home on YOUR rig.

    I'm skeptical about a lot of different things in the audio hobby myself. I used to be a skeptic regarding cables...until I actually tried it for myself and heard a difference. I'm still skeptical about things like cable lifters and CD treatments etc...But I'm not going to call it snake oil. I've never tried it, so I can't really say whether or not it works.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
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    Keiko wrote: »
    We're still waiting for evidence of the seamonkey line of fantasy speakers. :rolleyes:

    He's too busy developing the latest in cutting edge loudspeaker technology, to take the time to prove it to us.:rolleyes:;)
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  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
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    Keiko wrote: »
    We're still waiting for evidence of the seamonkey line of fantasy speakers. :rolleyes:

    How the F*ck is he still even here?
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    This thread is like crack cocaine.

    Seems no matter how hard we try, and to our detriment, none of us can leave it alone. (me included)

    We're closing in on 1,800 posts with perhaps 1 in 100 of them adding anything to the knowledge base. :eek:
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
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    anyone want to stay on topic and give a thought about those dayton cable's? :o
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  • ahardy17
    ahardy17 Posts: 84
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    as much as everyone here thinks i'm a nuisance, this forum has rubbed off on me. i just ordered some knuconcepts power wire and a battery terminal for my new car system :) i'd share my thoughts on this new gear once i get it installed, but i don't think anyone would really care all that much.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    anyone want to stay on topic and give a thought about those dayton cable's? :o

    The Club's opinions are great and there is a lot of experience here, but in the end, it's only YOUR opinion that matters. And what I deem "great sounding cables" in my particular system may not do much for yours.

    I bought, listened to, and sold all the way up to as much as I could afford, keeping the 2 most recent acquisitions on hand so I could A/B compare until I settled on my current setup.

    Try the Dayton cable, it's decent and will resell well if/when you want to try more. Most of the time you will find higher pricing really does improve the listening experience.
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  • woodguru
    woodguru Posts: 76
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    bobt wrote: »
    I don't under stand the price for speaker cables....some cost more then the equipment there hookup to....The price is insane. The Stereophile mags review these....of course there not going to say anything bad about them..they get paid to do this...then sit there and try to tell you....oh yes we hear this one gives you more highs, or this one is more clear.....BULL...

    Sorry..it's a piece of wire...when you get to a certain point...thats about it.

    I have a 12 gauge speaker cable, I will not say which kind. I went and spent $250 (on sale)...some supposed great cable......NO DAM DIFFERENCE.

    No way you could tell the difference between the 2. Now OK...."MAYBE" if your playing some violin thing........MAYBE you could hear something different, but my guess would be NOT. If I changed cables on these "reviewers"...they would not have a clue............

    OK, I play mostly rock and blues, but do throw in some classic music.

    If Stravinsky, or Tchaikovsky..sound the same to me, over different cables..well I get the fact.....basically you have just been riiped off, because it's called "audiophile"....and no I'm not tone deaf...I've mixed CD's for people , run PA mixers...I know what good sound is.

    It's like Boats...if it's marine..you pay a ton....same crap you can buy for cheap...Audiophile.....the price goes up.....

    Most of this "sound" is precived..just because you spent..300 plus on a cable.

    You won't hear staggering differences in speaker cable unless the rest of the system's wire is in top form. The most important cable that does make huge differences to any ear is the source to preamp I/C. You are not even close to having your system right enough to even think of hearing comparisons in a good way. Until you actually have lived with higher echelon wire sets, meaning all of the interconnects and speaker wire your opinion is meaningless to others who do have their systems at a higher state.<br>
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    I'm not trying to bash you, just open your eyes a bit to the fact that you are a bit short on having a vast exposure to what's out there. I have had at least half a million dollars worth of just about every manufacturer's lines from entry to ultimate along with high end electronics to try it on. I figure I'm not wasting my time if you have an open enough mind to accept that you may be missing something if your system isn't allowing you to hear differences. The first rule of speaker wire is to upgrade interconnects first of the speaker wire can't make as much difference because the best audiophile characteristics haven't even gotten through to the amp let alone the speakers.<br>
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    Again, no offense meant but you have a ways to go and you will never get there if you can't figure out the cable basics. cable is the key element to pure audiophile sound, without good wire your money is wasted on high end components and speakers. If I lived close to you I could show it to you in your system, I made a living doing that in everything out to $150k+ systems, it is always about the wire no matter what equipment you have.
    You aren't done with wire and ready for upgrades and other tweaks until you are totally done with wire.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    thread is closed?

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    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
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    GIK panels
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
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    If you're able to post in it, it's not closed.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
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    Resurrected AGAIN!
  • Krazyz1
    Krazyz1 Posts: 256
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    I am using Dayton Audio from Parts Express. It is 14ga Hi-Def OFC rope layer design. I am using them bi-wired to my RTiA9's. At aprox . 47 cents a foot I could tell a BIG difference. The sound really opened up. Even my wife could tell the difference and she's quite happy with the stereo in her cavilier!!!
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,365
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    But, but..........spearker cables making a difference is fiction. Hasn't that been proven in this thread? You must be krazy man......
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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