Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,803
    edited May 2009
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    bobt wrote: »
    I don't under stand the price for speaker cables....some cost more then the equipment there hookup to....The price is insane. The Stereophile mags review these....of course there not going to say anything bad about them..they get paid to do this...then sit there and try to tell you....oh yes we hear this one gives you more highs, or this one is more clear.....BULL...

    Sorry..it's a piece of wire...when you get to a certain point...thats about it.

    I have a 12 gauge speaker cable, I will not say which kind. I went and spent $250 (on sale)...some supposed great cable......NO DAM DIFFERENCE.

    No way you could tell the difference between the 2. Now OK...."MAYBE" if your playing some violin thing........MAYBE you could hear something different, but my guess would be NOT. If I changed cables on these "reviewers"...they would not have a clue............

    OK, I play mostly rock and blues, but do throw in some classic music.

    If Stravinsky, or Tchaikovsky..sound the same to me, over different cables..well I get the fact.....basically you have just been riiped off, because it's called "audiophile"....and no I'm not tone deaf...I've mixed CD's for people , run PA mixers...I know what good sound is.

    It's like Boats...if it's marine..you pay a ton....same crap you can buy for cheap...Audiophile.....the price goes up.....

    Most of this "sound" is precived..just because you spent..300 plus on a cable.
    Thanks Bob....
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
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    High end cables and such are for High End equipment....period.

    If I spend $1000 on spearkercables, then im stupid because I would have no benefit from it other than looking like a badass in front of my friends:D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,711
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    So how is Seafire and this thread still here?
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
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    its a trap!:eek:
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    LG BDP-550
    Motorola HD FIOS DVR
    Panasonic 42" Plasma
    XBOX 360[/SIZE]

    Office stuff

    Allied 395 receiver
    Pioneer CDP PD-M430
    RT8t's & Wharfedale Diamond II's[/SIZE]

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  • phuz
    phuz Posts: 2,372
    edited May 2009
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    Holy moly. Epic thread. This one will not die.
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  • Flash21
    Flash21 Posts: 316
    edited May 2009
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    heiney9 wrote: »
    So how is Seafire and this thread still here?

    The lights are on but nobody's home...
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited May 2009
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    phuz wrote: »
    Holy moly. Epic thread. This one will not die.
    It sure can die if we simply all vow not to post in it no matter what. I'm definitely willing to do this so peace comes back to PC ;)

    Cheers :)
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    “Your attitude, almost always determine your altitude in life” ;)
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited May 2009
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    Knucklehead wrote: »
    its a trap!:eek:

    Yepper:p
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  • Lord Vader
    Lord Vader Posts: 167
    edited May 2009
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    Keiko wrote: »
    Turn him into Mynok food Lord Vader. Make him suffer with an anal probe droid.
    I am glad you thought of mynoks. They feed on cables and other wiring. Perhaps they could be of some use to us... I wonder if they could be used to eat the bs in this thread, then track the source of it back to the Seafart's hidden base. Once located my Super Star Destroyer could be dispatched and destroy him...

    Thanks Keiko... I leave now for I have work to do...
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
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    Lord Vader wrote: »
    I am glad you thought of mynoks. They feed on cables and other wiring. Perhaps they could be of some use to us... I wonder if they could be used to eat the bs in this thread, then track the source of it back to the Seafart's hidden base. Once located my Super Star Destroyer could be dispatched and destroy him...

    Thanks Keiko... I leave now for I have work to do...

    Good luck Lord Vader...and May The Force Be With You!!:D
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited May 2009
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    Guys don't bait the troll. Let the stupid thread die.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
    edited May 2009
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    As strange as it may seem, I am starting to like this thread. The way it morphs is simply amazing and, in a sense, a reason why it should not die. Tense moments, productive moments, troll moments and silly momements. It's got it all!
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,803
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    You got a purty mowth Lee.







    Anybody...????
    Think about it...
    Hillbilly?
    I'm just sayin.....
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
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    my wife and kids keep asking why i say "spearkers", thats what they are reffered to from here on out.:D
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    Mirage PS-12
    LG BDP-550
    Motorola HD FIOS DVR
    Panasonic 42" Plasma
    XBOX 360[/SIZE]

    Office stuff

    Allied 395 receiver
    Pioneer CDP PD-M430
    RT8t's & Wharfedale Diamond II's[/SIZE]

    Life is one grand, sweet song, so start the music. ~Ronald Reagan
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    Keiko wrote: »
    It was dead until the maggot resurfaced...Sorry though, couldn't resist. :rolleyes: :D
    And yet you keep the thread alive giving new comers potential to get in the game still... Sorry, couldn't resist :);)

    You all remember the old Beatle song "Let it die" :D
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    you mean Live and Let Die by Wings....
    Let it be! However, this is good in many ways ;)
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
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    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    And yet you keep the thread alive giving new comers potential to get in the game still... Sorry, couldn't resist :);)

    You all remember the old Beatle song "Let it die" :D

    That wasn't a Beatles song, and it wasn't called Let It Die...;)

    Nooshin got it right.

    Paul McCartney & Wings-Live and Let Die.

    It was also the title song for the Bond movie, "Live and Let Die".
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  • Hillbilly61
    Hillbilly61 Posts: 702
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    Bump. Let's keep this thread alive!!!!!

    It's like guaging how far slime mold colony creeps across a damp concrete floor when one checks in from day to day. Today, I told the car salesman that the 6 spearker system sounded nice in a vehicle I was looking at. He responded along the lines "Yes, if you buy this baby today, you can have sparklers on it during the 4th of July!"



    lightman1 wrote: »
    You got a purty mowth Lee.


    Anybody...????
    Think about it...
    Hillbilly?
    I'm just sayin.....

    Russ, how does your legs look when they are not donning assless chaps? Curiosity is getting the better of me. :eek:
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    Keiko wrote: »
    Maybe he means this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDlCcGBtGd0&feature=PlayList&p=CD6BE93A8FD9C7A6&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2
    Here you go Keiko! Just change "let it be" to "let it die" or use them both meaning let it go :D Too bad the recording is so crappy :( I sure can "live" with "live and let die" too, works well too and I always were a fan of both the Beatles and (Paul McCartney and...) the Wings. Beatles => Mccartney <= the Wings as both groups "lived and died" through McCartney's talent/ingeniosity ;)

    Sorry for trolling ;)
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    In recent months, I've been more out the forums than in, devoting nearly every spare moment to vinyl. I've been expanding my collection, and more important, refining my turntables.

    In the past 6 months, I have sold off six Thorens turntables, kept five Thorens turntables, and purchased one Thorens and one Linn. I've purchased 15 or 16 different cartridges and styli, both new and used. I've purchased and made several variations of silver and copper connection wires and experimented with several variations of Thorens, Grace and SME tonearms and arm-wands. I've accumulated several brands of platter mats and clamps.

    During my treks around the Internet searching for various pieces/part, owner's manuals and information, I hope I've learned a bit. The best part of the journey is that I've been rewarded with the best "trust" in my ears that I've had in the past 30 years. I've experimented and listened so much that I can finally hear subtle differences, and actually categorize what those differences are.

    I've read opinion after opinion, and some of the the most astute observations about sound that I've read came from a 20 year old article by John Atkinson in Sterophile Magazine . . .

    http://www.stereophile.com/tonearms/395

    Atkinson doesn't come right out and say it, but he is talking about synergy. The COMBINATION of pieces/parts, different pieces/parts, is what makes up the whole

    After considering some of the venomous threads here where those on each side of the argument vehemently defend their positions, I came to understand both camps are right. Simply put, the addition of two or more Class A components does not guarantee Class A sound.

    To those of you who have never sought or found a good synergistic combination, my condolences. To those who have, Bravo!
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
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    inspiredsports wrote: »
    In recent months, I've been more out the forums than in, devoting nearly every spare moment to vinyl. I've been expanding my collection, and more important, refining my turntables.

    In the past 6 months, I have sold off six Thorens turntables, kept five Thorens turntables, and purchased one Thorens and one Linn. I've purchased 15 or 16 different cartridges and styli, both new and used. I've purchased and made several variations of silver and copper connection wires and experimented with several variations of Thorens, Grace and SME tonearms and arm-wands. I've accumulated several brands of platter mats and clamps.

    During my treks around the Internet searching for various pieces/part, owner's manuals and information, I hope I've learned a bit. The best part of the journey is that I've been rewarded with the best "trust" in my ears that I've had in the past 30 years. I've experimented and listened so much that I can finally hear subtle differences, and actually categorize what those differences are.

    I've read opinion after opinion, and some of the the most astute observations about sound that I've read came from a 20 year old article by John Atkinson in Sterophile Magazine . . .

    http://www.stereophile.com/tonearms/395

    Atkinson doesn't come right out and say it, but he is talking about synergy. The COMBINATION of pieces/parts, different pieces/parts, is what makes up the whole

    After considering some of the venomous threads here where those on each side of the argument vehemently defend their positions, I came to understand both camps are right. Simply put, the addition of two or more Class A components does not guarantee Class A sound.

    To those of you who have never sought or found a good synergistic combination, my condolences. To those who have, Bravo!

    I've been wondering where you've been.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    hearingimpared wrote: »
    I've been wondering where you've been.

    I've been learning as much as possible about analog. I think I'm up to about 7% :)
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
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    inspiredsports wrote: »
    i've been learning as much as possible about analog. I think i'm up to about 7% :)

    lol!
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,434
    edited July 2009
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    Keiko wrote: »
    I got a positive picture ID on seadud.

    78318485de9446338a8fcc3ad2d0c8ad071.jpg
    He really is a seamonkey! :eek:

    1st time I saw that...that was a good one!
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  • ahardy17
    ahardy17 Posts: 84
    edited September 2009
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    i recently read that in car audio leaving unsoldered connections in your power wire to an amp can cause a total loss in maximum power of up to 30%, while soldering those connections will decrease the resistance and cut the total power loss to about 10%, assuming an average of 5 connections in the wire (battery terminal, 2 at the fuse, distribution block, amp). can anyone confirm whether there is truth to this in home audio as well?
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited September 2009
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    WTF!?!?

    I didn't think I'd ever see this thread again...I hoped anyway...
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's
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  • Lord Vader
    Lord Vader Posts: 167
    edited September 2009
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    ...Hmmmm... I sense something, a presence I've not felt since.....

    This thread is DEAD, lets keep it that way!
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited September 2009
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    i came across a site the other day that had some dayton 13/4 wire i think it was, and it was really decent pricing and black casing! any thought's on that wire and anyone know where i may find some seeing as my dumb@ss forgot to bookmark the site and google is being useless to me ATM

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