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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited February 2010
    Tony what you say is true. I am just trying to help these guys out a little. I do know you can't help those who won't/can't help themselves.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2010
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    What a load of BS.
    Plain and simple, you're wrong.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • agfrost
    agfrost Posts: 2,430
    edited February 2010
    Since the "physics" argument has been trotted out (surprise!), here's a quote from a rather well-known physicist:

    "Thus, the task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen; but to think what nobody has yet thought about that which everyone sees." -Erwin Schrodinger

    My interpretation: There are phenomena that science has yet to explain, but which are phenomena nonetheless. It's not our job to dismiss anything that science cannot yet explain; rather, we need to continue to strive to improve our science to explain that which exists. Thus I don't buy the "physics doesn't explain it" argument against power management.

    The standard counter-argument would now be something to do with double-blind tests, I believe we've discussed the problems inherent in such tests elsewhere on the site.

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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2010
    tonyb wrote: »
    I believe the question was presented for the naysayers to post what cables they have tried,and on what gear. As usual per these cable debates,none are ever posted. Some even admit to not trying better grade power cords/cables. Nothing speaks volume other than good old fashioned experience,and until you get some,your opinion means squat.

    Why would it matter what power casbles have been tried? That won't change the fact that they don't make any audible differences.

    Your opinion is completely worthless.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2010
    agfrost wrote: »
    The standard counter-argument would now be something to do with double-blind tests, I believe we've discussed the problems inherent in such tests elsewhere on the site.

    No one can identify cables in a DBT, so rather than come to the correct conclusion, that cables make no difference, you come to the conclusion that something is wrong with the test. Typical of the audiophile "open mind".:rolleyes:
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited February 2010
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    Why would it matter what power casbles have been tried? That won't change the fact that they don't make any audible differences.

    Your opinion is completely worthless.

    William
    For some reason I never thought of you as a dummy but that statement made me change my mind. I know you don't care. It is just a real real real stupid statement and you should know better.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2010
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    What's that, the old "Ican hear it" claim? That's not evidence, it's BS.

    .

    How are multiple people's experience BS? Again I ask you how do you measure a lower noise floor or tighter bass response for that matter?
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2010
    To selkec;
    This message is hidden because selkec is on your ignore list.

    I have no interest in reading what you have to say because you are just a trouble maker and very ill-informed as well as inexperienced in this hobby based on what I have read from you in the past.
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  • selkec
    selkec Posts: 187
    edited February 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    How are multiple people's experience BS? Again I ask you how do you measure a lower noise floor or tighter bass response for that matter?

    Because they all go into it thinking that it must make better or different sound because they read it somewhere and since it cost more than the stock power cord it must be better. I read that thread in the posting above and thats no different than any of you guys saying it makes a difference.
    It all boils down to physics. You all must have magical power cables that defy the law.
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  • selkec
    selkec Posts: 187
    edited February 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    To selkec;



    I have no interest in reading what you have to say because you are just a trouble maker and very ill-informed as well as inexperienced in this hobby based on what I have read from you in the past.

    Im not a trouble maker. Science can prove you wrong. I dont care what you think you hear or cant hear. I would say your name suits you right HEARINGIMPARED you must be.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2010
    There will never be a cables/wires/power cords thread without heated discussions.

    Those who hear, hear. Those who don't hear, don't hear.

    No arguments frome either side will convince the other side.

    But....ain't these threads fun to see who's who; who loves throwing the bait; who always falls for the bait. And on an on for ever and ever.












    P.S. Those who hear the differences are right. Those who don't are stupid.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2010
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    William
    For some reason I never thought of you as a dummy but that statement made me change my mind. I know you don't care. It is just a real real real stupid statement and you should know better.

    Your opinion is also completely worthless.
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  • selkec
    selkec Posts: 187
    edited February 2010
    Ricardo wrote: »
    There will never be a cables/wires/power cords thread without heated discussions.

    Those who hear, hear. Those who don't hear, don't hear.

    No arguments frome either side will convince the other side.

    But....ain't these threads fun to see who's who; who loves throwing the bait; who always falls for the bait. And on an on for ever and ever.











    P.S. Those who hear the differences are right. Those who don't are stupid.
    Those who throw the bait are a select few of you deaf guys that stick together on this forum.
    PS. Were not stupid for not hearing a difference. Your the stupid one for falling for it.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2010
    selkec wrote: »
    PS. Were not stupid for not hearing a difference.
    Correct, you're just deaf.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    How are multiple people's experience BS?

    Why would it matter how many people claim to hear it? Many folks believe homeopathy works as well, but it doesn't.
    Again I ask you how do you measure a lower noise floor or tighter bass response for that matter?

    One of these will measure noise, and bass response too:

    http://ap.com/products/2700
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,354
    edited February 2010
    If you haven't tried different cables then why troll your self in this thread?

    I mean really if you your self have not tried it then STFU you really have no buisness selling your beleifs here.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2010
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    Why would it matter how many people claim to hear it? Many folks believe homeopathy works as well, but it doesn't.

    Sure it does. More and more doctors are going that route in lieu of medication. For instance, instead of my doctor giving my medication (with all its side effects) for my high triglycerides, he opted to have me take 2000mgs of fish oil twice a day . . . needless to say my triglycerides are down. Did I wish it or believe in a placebo effect, hell no, I had no control over the outcome. I kept eating the way I usually eat.
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    One of these will measure noise, and bass response too:

    http://ap.com/products/2700

    Do you know the cost of that bad boy?
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    If you haven't tried different cables then why troll your self in this thread?

    I mean really if you your self have not tried it then STFU you really have no buisness selling your beleifs here.

    I have tried different cables, Even participated in DBT's.

    Why don't you STFU until you actually have some evidence of your claims? I'm tired of hearing about your delusions.
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  • selkec
    selkec Posts: 187
    edited February 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Sure it does. More and more doctors are going that route in lieu of medication. For instance, instead of my doctor giving my medication (with all its side effects) for my high triglycerides, he opted to have me take 2000mgs of fish oil twice a day . . . needless to say my triglycerides are down. Did I wish it or believe in a placebo effect, hell no, I had no control over the outcome. I kept eating the way I usually eat.



    Do you know the cost of that bad boy?

    Why dont you buy this bad boy and prove your claims. If you can afford all these way over priced cables that cost about $25 to make (LMAO), then you should be able to buy it also.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Sure it does. More and more doctors are going that route in lieu of medication. For instance, instead of my doctor giving my medication (with all its side effects) for my high triglycerides, he opted to have me take 2000mgs of fish oil twice a day . . . needless to say my triglycerides are down. Did I wish it or believe in a placebo effect, hell no, I had no control over the outcome. I kept eating the way I usually eat.

    That's no homeopathy. Maybe you should look it up. If your doctor actually practices homepathy, you need to find a new one.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
    Do you know the cost of that bad boy?

    You asked how, not how much. And cables have been measured with such devices. Guess what they found?
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  • selkec
    selkec Posts: 187
    edited February 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Sure it does. More and more doctors are going that route in lieu of medication. For instance, instead of my doctor giving my medication (with all its side effects) for my high triglycerides, he opted to have me take 2000mgs of fish oil twice a day . . . needless to say my triglycerides are down. Did I wish it or believe in a placebo effect, hell no, I had no control over the outcome. I kept eating the way I usually eat.

    I believe you on the fish oil. Im also on it. I will see in a month or so when I get my triglycerides checked again. But on this one you have proof that it works by having tests done. Not just believing that it works like your power cables that you have no proof.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,354
    edited February 2010
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    I have tried different cables, Even participated in DBT's.

    Why don't you STFU until you actually have some evidence of your claims? I'm tired of hearing about your delusions.


    Well then you just don't hear it then do you? I have done A B test as well,and it is fact.
    Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎

    SVS SB16 X2

    Cary SLP-05/Ultimate Upgrade.
    Cary SA-500.1 ES Amps
    Cary DMS 800PV Network
    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
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    Jolida JD9 Fully Modified

    VPI MW-1 Cyclone RCM

    MIT Shotgun 3 cables throughout / Except TT, and PC’s
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  • selkec
    selkec Posts: 187
    edited February 2010
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Well then you just don't hear it then do you? I have done A B test as well,and it is fact.

    It has to be double blind to be valid. Give it up already.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,354
    edited February 2010
    I just don't get it I can hear a diference when I swap out my speaker cables from MIT to my Audioquest or signal cables. Even when I swap out IC's there is a very noticable diference. And you really can tell me what I hear is BS.

    Please take your trolling some place else.
    Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎

    SVS SB16 X2

    Cary SLP-05/Ultimate Upgrade.
    Cary SA-500.1 ES Amps
    Cary DMS 800PV Network
    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
    VPI Scout TT / Dynavector 20x2
    Jolida JD9 Fully Modified

    VPI MW-1 Cyclone RCM

    MIT Shotgun 3 cables throughout / Except TT, and PC’s
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,354
    edited February 2010
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    It has to be double blind to be valid. Give it up already.

    The fact is you are double blind,and deaf.
    Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎

    SVS SB16 X2

    Cary SLP-05/Ultimate Upgrade.
    Cary SA-500.1 ES Amps
    Cary DMS 800PV Network
    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
    VPI Scout TT / Dynavector 20x2
    Jolida JD9 Fully Modified

    VPI MW-1 Cyclone RCM

    MIT Shotgun 3 cables throughout / Except TT, and PC’s
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  • selkec
    selkec Posts: 187
    edited February 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    I just don't get it I can hear a diference when I swap out my speaker cables from MIT to my Audioquest or signal cables. Even when I swap out IC's there is a very noticable diference. And you really can tell me what I hear is BS.

    Please take your trolling some place else.

    Speaker cables are another thing totally. Were talking power cables here for those of you that cant figure it out.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,354
    edited February 2010
    I have yet to see you post what cables you have DBT.
    Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎

    SVS SB16 X2

    Cary SLP-05/Ultimate Upgrade.
    Cary SA-500.1 ES Amps
    Cary DMS 800PV Network
    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
    VPI Scout TT / Dynavector 20x2
    Jolida JD9 Fully Modified

    VPI MW-1 Cyclone RCM

    MIT Shotgun 3 cables throughout / Except TT, and PC’s
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,354
    edited February 2010
    selkec wrote: »
    Speaker cables are another thing totally. Were talking power cables here for those of you that cant figure it out.

    I get it and changing my power cord on my PC was one of the best things I have changed as well as my SC and IC's
    Polk Audio SDA 2.3tl Fully Hot Rodded. 😎

    SVS SB16 X2

    Cary SLP-05/Ultimate Upgrade.
    Cary SA-500.1 ES Amps
    Cary DMS 800PV Network
    OPPO UDP 205/ModWright Modification
    VPI Scout TT / Dynavector 20x2
    Jolida JD9 Fully Modified

    VPI MW-1 Cyclone RCM

    MIT Shotgun 3 cables throughout / Except TT, and PC’s
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    I just don't get it.

    You got that right.
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