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  • 32deuce
    32deuce Posts: 49
    edited January 2010
    Damn, weekend entertainment. :cool:
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    I am thinking Lightman may be Mini-Me
    because such a dig is very much his style:D
    I doubt it, Lightman's posts never make sense.
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  • mini-me
    mini-me Posts: 70
    edited January 2010
    Face wrote: »
    I doubt it, Lightman's post never make sense.

    Russ? He is busy spraying in my bushes! ;):D
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited January 2010
    Like other's have suggested, exchange the Krell. It's obvious something is VERY wrong when you have to turn up the volume to 80% to hear anything.

    I've had my LSi9's hooked up to all kinds of gear, and going past the 10 or 11 o clock position will make anybody's ears bleed.

    You can't compare a defective product to a perfectly working one and conclude one is better than the other.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2010
    organ wrote: »
    Like other's have suggested, exchange the Krell. It's obvious something is VERY wrong when you have to turn up the volume to 80% to hear anything.

    He returned it and got his money back... Glad he did too.
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  • mini-me
    mini-me Posts: 70
    edited January 2010
    Here is my picture! Believe me now, nooshinjohn?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2010
    mini-me wrote: »
    Here is my picture! Believe me now, nooshinjohn?

    ummmm....





    no.:rolleyes:

    But it is obvious you have been around the block here more than once.:cool:
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  • Fongolio
    Fongolio Posts: 3,516
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Kelvin, did you read the links that XCapri posted. It's obvious that this thread was started on a dare from another Polk member on the Emotiva Lounge just to stir up the **** here. The guy made a fool out of each and every one of us who took him at his word and took the time to try to help him out then ran over to the Lounge and said we burned him at the stake.

    As far as I'm concerned he deserves everything he gets.

    Ok, I'll agree that he is probably trolling. I guess I just don't like the witch hunt mob mentality that sometimes happens here and although this isn't there quite yet, it's getting close. Now that he's been outed (or outed himself) I think it's just easier to put him on the bozo list. In these situations I always ask myself "what would George G do?".
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    He returned it and got his money back... Glad he did too.

    Must have missed that somewhere. A lot of stuff going on in this thread lol.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Fongolio wrote: »
    Ok, I'll agree that he is probably trolling. I guess I just don't like the witch hunt mob mentality that sometimes happens here and although this isn't there quite yet, it's getting close. Now that he's been outed (or outed himself) I think it's just easier to put him on the bozo list. In these situations I always ask myself "what would George G do?".

    I absolutely agree Kelvin. He has been bozo listed since 8:27 last night.
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    I only use the ignore feature on a temporary basis but Ls7 & selkec are on it permanently.
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  • tugzy
    tugzy Posts: 46
    edited January 2010
    Why do topics about Emotiva products bother some of you guys so much? I dont get it...Im very new to this forum and joined after i got my polk products. Opinions are one persons opinions, subjective as it gets. If you dont like what's said then move on. I cant believe this topic has gone 5 pages long. Seriously...this forum is starting to remind me of the ClubSi forum back in the day, I hated that forum after a month of browsing... If you guys suspect OP's trolling then stop feeding the troll..... 5 pages long? :eek:

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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited January 2010
    "OK" everybody needs a hug:)

    Life is short Get along, and turn up the tunes.
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited January 2010
    I have no problem with somebody liking Emotiva, however even a Emotiva fan boy should be left scratching his head that an AV receiver sounds better then a Krell Integrated. This has been the biggest over sight in this lengthy mess...a point that should be the most glowing if you knew anything about the importance about a pre and how AVR's make horrible ones.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    So do I, but it is possible the guy is looking at my old posts. The reference to my 1.2tl's was only three pages back. I am thinking Lightman may be Mini-Me
    because such a dig is very much his style:D

    Nope. Not me.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited January 2010
    face wrote: »
    i doubt it, lightman's posts never make sense.

    :d......
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  • mhmacw
    mhmacw Posts: 832
    edited January 2010
    jaxwired wrote: »
    Huh? This has nothing to do with "warming up". The discussion has to do with "burn-in". The two are unrelated. Burn-in describes a physical change the components that comprise the electronics during it's initial usage. Burn-in begins during the first use and continues until some arbitrary time in the future when this physical metamorphisis ends and the product stabilizes and remains consistent thereafter.

    Amp warm up is pretty much undisputed.

    when have you ever had a 1000 watt anything warm up and level off inside an hour or so? given he fiddled with conn and deconn for only an hour it seems obvious to the most casual observer that not only was the amp not burnt in but wasnt even warm. (desperately looking for the DUH!! emoticon!)
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  • BAD ASP
    BAD ASP Posts: 361
    edited January 2010
    ls7z06 wrote: »
    You, sir are starting to annoy me. I posted a very tame report on a piece of equipment. I am obviously not some kind of expert on this stuff. And you proceded to just jump up my Azz sideways acusing me of being confrontational. I really hate to air this publically, but I believe you are a real freakin kook and would be well advise to expand your life beyond stereos, if you are capable. So keep posting if you like. I will not read another thread in this post.

    I have trolled this till now and I would make this observation. Why would anyone drop $3000.00 on an integrated, as a move up, regardless of which brand name without fully knowing that the piece will have a learning curve. It sounds a little like buyers remorse to me. If you buy a great piece of equipment and find out you didn't like it does that mean your search is over. I don't know about you but if whatever drove me to try and make a switch wasn't solved by my first move, I move again and then I talk about it.When you drop 3 large on any stereo piece it better be because you are trying to become an Audiophile, not just because you got the 3 large. I would bet that most of us here have tried Sherwood, Panasonic, onkyo, Denon, Pioneer,much less the Emos, Adcoms, Carver, Sunfires,McIntosh etc etc.
    Anyone with half a brain knows that the the audio world is the world of electronics and that there isn't always just plug and play. I can't tell you how many times I've turned on a unit and found it to be a little disappointing until I went into the systems controls and "learned" what settings were required to take me where I wanted to go, especially with an integrated. To go from an Emotiva to a Krell and suddenly describe a disappointment in the Krell just sounds contrived and lacks effort. Comparatively speaking... JAO.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2010
    This thread is embarrassing to say the least.

    You guys keep on with this emo crapping? Grow up. It got old already.
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  • tugzy
    tugzy Posts: 46
    edited January 2010
    Ricardo wrote: »
    This thread is embarrassing to say the least.

    You guys keep on with this emo crapping? Grow up. It got old already.

    Agreed.... is there a thread or a discussion comparing Emo amps to similarly price range amps? Or do those threads get bashed too? That would be good discussions....

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  • DollarDave
    DollarDave Posts: 2,575
    edited January 2010
    BAD ASP wrote: »
    I have trolled this till now and I would make this observation. Why would anyone drop $3000.00 on an integrated, as a move up, regardless of which brand name without fully knowing that the piece will have a learning curve. It sounds a little like buyers remorse to me.....
    ..... To go from an Emotiva to a Krell and suddenly describe a disappointment in the Krell just sounds contrived and lacks effort. Comparatively speaking... JAO.

    +1

    Personally, I doubt he even bought the Krell. I think he is just craving attention - is it college spring break somewhere?

    It just seems really strange that his quest for audio nirvana caused him to spend this kind of money and then decide he was perfectly happy with his current gear. It's not like he sent the Krell back, tried a Levinston, sent that back, etc, etc, then settled back on the EMO. It just doesn't add up.
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited January 2010
    ls7z06 wrote: »
    My 2 channel consists of a set of LSi9's, an Onkyo AVR used as a pre, an Emo UPA-2, a Wadia 170i, and a Marantz SA8003. Thought I might need a better amp. Ordered a $2500 Krell s300i integrated. Hooked it up last night. What a disappointment. Bass TOTALLY disappeared. Depth, clarity and precision all got real muddy. I was amazed. I tinkered with it for about an hour and finally figured out I had everything right. It just did not sound good at all. I yanked it out and will send it back. Hooked my $300 Emotiva back up and all is well again. When I called for a RA number, the rep said I needed to give it a 200 hour burn in! I said I did not want to spend 200 hours being disappointed for what the Krell cost. It is going back. Maybe it was defective. So... I guess that all makes me an official Emoette!

    Congrats to your Emo Nirvana. The best system is the system YOU like the most and enjoy the most. Happy listening ! Being a Krell fanboy, I have had owned 2 KAV400xi s and I enjoyed every minute with them while some others thought the Tehnics AVR sound better than the KAV 400XI.:rolleyes:

    Krell is famous for being fast and tight deep bass as Martin Logan is praised for its huge soundstage and image. System synergy is a key word.

    Have you tried Pass against Emo? I bet you will sent the Pass amp back in a heartbeat since you are not happy with Krell. Emo is IT for you. Stop looking any further than what your ear tell you. Everybody listening skill is not the same.
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  • Jetmaker737
    Jetmaker737 Posts: 1,047
    edited January 2010
    tugzy wrote: »
    Agreed.... is there a thread or a discussion comparing Emo amps to similarly price range amps? Or do those threads get bashed too? That would be good discussions....

    There are few-to-none similarly priced amps. I'd say Emo competes primarily with the used market. There are comparisons between them to be found.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2010
    I discovered pretty much the same thing when I had my Krell amp. I had the KAV 250a amp & was very pleased with it. Then on a whim (and I mean a whim!!) I picked up a vintage Nikko Alpha VI amp. After doing extensive A/B comparisons for well over a months time...I came to the conclusion that the Nikko amp better served my listening needs. Go figure!! It really did take me a long time to come to grips with that decision though, Krell vs a 1980 Nikko, no way I told myself, then I went with what my listening sessions were telling me & that made the decision an easy one.

    Maybe the OP didn't give the Krell enough time in his system or maybe it was a defective unit. I guess we'll never know.
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  • Cpyder
    Cpyder Posts: 514
    edited January 2010
    Lol. How dare he prefer a cheaper amp to a more expensive one in an almost completely subjective hobby! :)
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95987
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    Cpyder wrote: »
    Lol. How dare he prefer a cheaper amp to a more expensive one in an almost completely subjective hobby! :)

    I believe it was more like "how dare he not give the new amp a fair shake," but that's ok. Carry on.
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  • doctor r
    doctor r Posts: 837
    edited January 2010
    Six pages - How dare we allow this to continue?
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
    Doctor R wrote: »
    Six pages - How dare we allow this to continue?

    As long as people enjoy arguing on the internet and flaming others. Which is likely forever.

    I am guilty of something similar, and it was genuine. I preferred the $1100 B&W 684 speakers to a variety of towers, including a hugely expensive pair of Snell's. It's just the sound I preferred. I don't believe spending more equates to more enjoyable sound. Our brains all process sound differently. Granted, the OP should have spent more time with the Krell before coming to that conclusion, I'll agree with that. But I also am finding that there is a lot of elitism in hifi, as far as brand names, cost, etc. People seem to get so caught up in gear and technology, they forget why we are here in the first place: the music. Buy what draws you into the music, what sounds good to your ears. Don't worry about the price tage or what badge is smacked on the faceplate.
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  • 98Badger
    98Badger Posts: 317
    edited January 2010
    Zitro wrote: »

    I am guilty of something similar, and it was genuine. I preferred the $1100 B&W 684 speakers to a variety of towers, including a hugely expensive pair of Snell's. It's just the sound I preferred. I don't believe spending more equates to more enjoyable sound. Our brains all process sound differently. Granted, the OP should have spent more time with the Krell before coming to that conclusion, I'll agree with that. But I also am finding that there is a lot of elitism in hifi, as far as brand names, cost, etc. People seem to get so caught up in gear and technology, they forget why we are here in the first place: the music. Buy what draws you into the music, what sounds good to your ears. Don't worry about the price tage or what badge is smacked on the faceplate.

    Thank you for being a voice of reason Zitro. I joined the forum today, and after reading through a few of the threads, doubted I would come back due to the rampant snobbery (my interpretation of what I read, not meaning to target anyone specific). While it is a common desire to see things we own or like as "better" than what we don't, I'm glad not all the forum members get caught up in the pissing match and can respect the opinions of others. Maybe I will stick around a little longer.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited January 2010
    Please do. I thought the same thing of the forum when I first started and I know you don't know me from Adam, but trust me. Joining this forum sky rocketed my audio journey to fast forward. There are many things I don't like about some of the riff-raff that goes on but the core group of this forum is some of the greatest folks I have met and shared this hobby with. Even those I haven't met feel like family now.
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