Cable Break-in/adjustment period
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hearingimpared wrote: »This from the guy who's always whining about name calling.
Is Tinker Bell a bad name?
No bad names here.
What will be the next crap EE theory to sell more stuff?
I suggest using an Iron to flatten out the speaker wire to control the rogue electrons because of the RF energy?
Never sell, forget it.
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Is Tinker Bell a bad name?
No bad names here.
What will be the next crap EE theory to sell more stuff?
I suggest using an Iron to flatten out the speaker wire to control the rogue electrons because of the RF energy?
Never sell, forget it.
When you young guys read this stuff in ten years you will get a good laugh.
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Or maybe you and William will realize what good sound is.When you young guys read this stuff in ten years you will get a good laugh.
To keep things on topic: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/05/06/on-being-gizmodoed-b.html"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
Or maybe you and William will realize what good sound is.
To keep things on topic: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/05/06/on-being-gizmodoed-b.html
I have read that arcticle before and it is still a good read.Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
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Or maybe you and William will realize what good sound is. [/url]
I love to listen to music but not to test cables. I just try to focus on the music and try not to focus on what's not right with it. That's no fun. And I realize that any audio set up is not even close to live music. No cable or wire will make a significate audio difference for me IMHO.
What does have the potenial to make a real differnce in audio is the speakers and the recording engineer's set up, IMHO. I realise that small changes can all add up but based on my experience cables have a very limited potential.
Most every thing in life when graphed forms an S curve. There is much data to support this. Some call this the Law of diminishing returns. I think cables are at this point of very diminishing returns. Claims that they make a dramatic diference that some how can't be demonstrated with a DB test make me smell a rat. OK? And when people use crap science that contradicts good past and proven science to sell cables I get pissed.
Sorry if I offended anyone.
You guys can sure blast me with names, try blasting me science and logic. -
Or maybe you and William will realize what good sound is.
To keep things on topic: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/05/06/on-being-gizmodoed-b.html
Micheal Fremer. Isn't he the guy that accepted Randi's million dollar challenge, and then backed out? He's real credible... -
Let's spice this up a little bit. James Randi is offering 1 million dollars if anyone can tell the difference between 7,000 dollar cables and moderately priced monster cables! I wouldn't quit your day job NJPOLKER et al.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-****/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-7250-speaker-cables-are-better-305549.php -
Now there's "expectational bias"...No cable or wire will make a significate audio difference for me IMHO.Steve Carlson
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You guys crack me up. James Randi is the biggest publicity **** and slants all his "wagers" to benefit him. BTW Fremer didn't back out, Randi's terms were lose lose for anyone.
Yeah Randi has some reeeeeaaaaal credibility just like you William and now you Cpyder. -
hearingimpared wrote: »You guys crack me up. James Randi is the biggest publicity **** and slants all his "wagers" to benefit him. BTW Fremer didn't back out, Randi's terms were lose lose for anyone.
Yeah Randi has some reeeeeaaaaal credibility just like you William and now you Cpyder.
I didn't comment on his credibility. All I'm saying is that if you could pick out a 7,000 dollar cable from a decent cable consistently, he'd give you a million dollars. I'm not sure how credibility or such has anything to do here. If you could do it, say 10 times in a row, that would be statistically significant and you would be given the reward. Go ahead! -
hearingimpared wrote: »You guys crack me up. James Randi is the biggest publicity **** and slants all his "wagers" to benefit him. BTW Fremer didn't back out, Randi's terms were lose lose for anyone.
Yeah Randi has some reeeeeaaaaal credibility just like you William and now you Cpyder.
Can you show a test that Randi "slanted" in his favor?
They usually test people with claims like dowsing, mind reading, predicting the future, talking to the dead, etc. Or do you believe in all that as well?
Both sides agree to the terms before any test. I think Fremer's problem was that Randi wouldn't let him swap the cables himself, or at least watch. -
Let's spice this up a little bit. James Randi is offering 1 million dollars if anyone can tell the difference between 7,000 dollar cables and moderately priced monster cables! I wouldn't quit your day job NJPOLKER et al.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/calling-****/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-7250-speaker-cables-are-better-305549.php
Only a dumb **** like you would post something like that. -
Only a dumb **** like you would post something like that.
Find anything to back up your calims yet? -
Find anything to back up your calims yet?
So you have not paid any attention to what has been posted so far. Or are you being a troll? Pathetic
Just a piece of advice - try using spell check since your spelling sucks.
No one has yet to see anything from you other than blah blah blah go back to the other forums you feel comfortable in. -
So you have not paid any attention to what has been posted so far. Or are you being a troll? Pathetic
Just a piece of advice - try using spell check since your spelling sucks.
No one has yet to see anything from you other than blah blah blah go back to the other forums you feel comfortable in.
I didn't think so. -
Before I leave for the night I have to ask how old are you naysayers? Maybe that has something to do with your ignorance.
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Thats because you don't think.
You forgot the apostrophe on "that's". What was that you were saying about spelling? -
You forgot the apostrophe on "that's". What was that you were saying about spelling?
I think you mean grammar. You spell like ****, and he has grammar issues. -
So you have not paid any attention to what has been posted so far. Or are you being a troll? Pathetic
Just a piece of advice - try using spell check since your spelling sucks.
No one has yet to see anything from you other than blah blah blah go back to the other forums you feel comfortable in.
What has been posted? People arguing? How about ONE fact supporting your side? Please, oh please, just one! An article? Something! -
SolidSqual wrote: »I think you mean grammar. You spell like ****, and he has grammar issues.
Actually, I spell just fine, but my typing skills are atrocious. -
Actually, I spell just fine, but my typing skills are atrocious.
Me too, I peck away like a bird. -
This has all been a very interesting read no doubt, but I am curious as to what type of gear (to include IC's/Speaker wire/etc) WilliamM2 and Cpyder are running to claim that there are no differences in sound/quality when it comes to cables. I am not taking sides in this 'debate' but I will say that I certainly do hear a difference when utilizing speaker cables from let's say.....Radio Shack, and speaker cables I received from a Polk member that later on, had become a cable-makes-the-difference-believer.
As for the tags, that's just plain immature.
Thanks NJ, initial post was a very interesting read as well!Truck setup
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This has all been a very interesting read no doubt, but I am curious as to what type of gear (to include IC's/Speaker wire/etc) WilliamM2 and Cpyder are running to claim that there are no differences in sound/quality when it comes to cables. I am not taking sides in this 'debate' but I will say that I certainly do hear a difference when utilizing speaker cables from let's say.....Radio Shack, and speaker cables I received from a Polk member that later on, had become a cable-makes-the-difference-believer.
As for the tags, that's just plain immature.
Thanks NJ, initial post was a very interesting read as well!
This is about the changing dielectric with cable use, and whether or not that affects the sound. As for cables in general, I will make the statement that a very well built cable of adequate diameter sounds no different/unnoticeable from a cable costing $1000/ft. Why am I comfortable making this statement? Because no scientific data or anyone can accurately distinguish between the two in listening tests.
Anyone who says they hear a difference is experiencing a placebo effect. (I'm not talking about upgrading from crap Radio Shack to nice cables.) I've experienced the same thing quite often. Many times I will download an album in a lossless format and think it sounds great through my crappy computer speakers. A month later I'll hear the same song in shuffle mode and go, "Wow, I need to get this album in lossless, it sounds like crap!"
What is going on here? Expectational bias and the placebo effect.
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Micheal Fremer. Isn't he the guy that accepted Randi's million dollar challenge, and then backed out? He's real credible...
Yep, the one and the same.As The Abso!ute Sound's Michael Fremer reports in this month's "Letters" section, no only did he identify correctly five times out of five whether one amplifier was the same as the next or different, he also volunteered identifications of the amplifiers under testCrown, Threshold, and VTLand got that right four times out of five.
Fremer backed out of Randi's challenge because they simply could not agree on the terms.
Once again, what does it matter to you naysayers? You're not going to change anyone's mind. Go listen to your systems, enjoy and STFU! Especially you, Cpyder.
Now, where's Sona with my effing PIE?!?Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Yep, the one and the same.
Fremer backed out of Randi's challenge because they simply could not agree on the terms.
Once again, what does it matter to you naysayers? You're not going to change anyone's mind. Go listen to your systems, enjoy and STFU! Especially you, Cpyder.
Now, where's Sona with my effing PIE?!?
Oh boy, I'm just getting attacked here. All this talk but not one credible source to back it up. Honestly, not one single person out of the 6 or so billion alive can tell the difference between a broke-in cable and a non-broke in cable or the difference between directions of cables hooked up in a DBT. This fact soothes your beliefs? Or no?
William - I thought we'd get way more intelligent people here refuting this pseudoscience, but rather we get people just choking down advertising hype. What's going on? Lol. -
Boy, you just can't take a hint, can you!?!
You come marching in here thinking you're going to tell us what is what when you have no idea who it is you're talking to. Big mistake. Insulting long time members here, even a bigger mistake. You do realize that you come off like an absolute fool, yes?
Come on, tell us what gear you have and what cables you have tried to be able to say the things you're saying. I dare you.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
UPS just arrived with my new Shottys! I took a pic for you guys!
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Yummy! UPS girl with Shotty's and school girl PIE. Things are looking up around here.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
What has been posted? People arguing? How about ONE fact supporting your side? Please, oh please, just one! An article? Something!
We've given dozens of facts . . . you choose to ignore them.
