Cable Break-in/adjustment period

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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    I did try submitting a patent for " Hair Loss and enlarged peripheral appendages "
    but did not make it
    when I asked to do a double triple blind with a twist study......

    I bet there are a lot of people on this forum that will sell you their left over purchases and even through in a cable or two if you are nice.
  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited July 2009
    H9,
    I understand that the antagonist quoted in your post represents himself as a member of the scientific community. His credentials, if any, are suspect because no credible and competent scientist would incorrectly use the word "site". The correct word is "cite", which is short for "citation".

    Thank you for that imformed response regarding the word cite.

    You must also be an antagonist. If we oppose each other we must both be antagonists. Or maybe you just meant I'm wrong and your right.

    Simple and direct is always the best for me.

    Ta Ta
  • Cpyder
    Cpyder Posts: 514
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) now rejects patents claiming cold fusion.[68] Esther Kepplinger, the deputy commissioner of patents in 2004, said that this was done using the same argument as with perpetual motion machines: that they do not work.

    Yep, perpetual motion machines have to work now before they get a patent. Lol, not sure they'll be too many more of these patents.
  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited July 2009
    I was referring to the proof that Dr. Smith writes in all his publications here those of which you and William keep ignoring.

    BTW who said that the writer of a "scientific publication or text book" isn't biased.

    What proof? Are you talking about the power cord and fuse BS? First he takes a measurement, which shows the results to be far below the known human threshold of hearing. Then he does a listening "test", and proclaims it to be "such good sound", with absolutely no controls in place to account for bias. If you want to pretend that it qualifies as science, go ahead.
  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited July 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    What proof? Are you talking about the power cord and fuse BS? First he takes a measurement, which shows the results to be far below the known human threshold of hearing. Then he does a listening "test", and proclaims it to be "such good sound", with absolutely no controls in place to account for bias. If you want to pretend that it qualifies as science, go ahead.

    Thank you for giving me hope that there are logical people left on this forum.
  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited July 2009
    Buncha lemmings. Follow me!
  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    I am not an expert on Patent Law but
    I would guess that IF additional evidence can be presented
    to the support the idea (ie Cold Fusion) that is under evaluation and then resubmitted to be " patent applied for " for the approval process or that
    There must also be an appeal process again just a guess.
    Under the area of Patent Law and Lawyers that practice that specialty.

    Who knows what new discoveries will be made tomorrow or in the future.

    Imagine that this probably causes alot of conflicts and challenges and controversy
    when ideas clash.... in medicine, politics, religion, and OMG .....AUDIO VIDEO

    IT is our adversarial nature but truth prevails (hopefully)


    Yep! Hopefully, Truth prevails. But nowadays, the term "Truth" usually belongs to the one with Money and Power.

    All Cable Manufacturers with enough money will buy Science Community as well as the Patent Office one day. And every BS they put in the Marketing will be written in the Engineering Textbook as it has some Science Value to it. It's the day the Earth will not stood still!
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2009
    bikezappa wrote: »
    Thank you for giving me hope that there are logical people left on this forum.

    So you three are the only logical ones? How funny is that.
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2009
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Yep! Hopefully, Truth prevails. But nowadays, the term "Truth" usually belongs to the one with Money and Power.

    All Cable Manufacturers with enough money will buy Science Community as well as the Patent Office one day. And every BS they put in the Marketing will be written in the Engineering Textbook as it has some Science Value to it. It's the day the Earth will not stood still!

    Thats one of the reasons I'll go with what I hear any day. These other guys are obviously clueless on anything they didn't read in a text book and that is sad, for them anyway.
  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2009
    I feel like I'm in a Monty Python skit with these three guys . . . "no it isn't, yes it is, no it isn't, yes is.' You three guys are so jaded to some different thinking that it is pathetic.
  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited July 2009
    Joe's a hack. He's hearing impared. Don't accept what he says as gospel.
    "Me winning isn't, you do"
  • Cpyder
    Cpyder Posts: 514
    edited July 2009
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    So you three are the only logical ones? How funny is that.

    Don't leave me out :)
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited July 2009
    jvc wrote: »
    DK..

    searching on this patent (just quickly)
    I see this comment :
    DIELECTRIC-BIAS SYSTEM (patent pending): Unfortunately, because insulation stores and releases energy, it is also a “dielectric.” In a cable application, all released energy is distortion. The misnomer “break-in” is often used to describe the pronounced improvement in performance as the dielectric adapts to a charged state as the cable is used. Whenever a cable does not have a charge on it, it is re-adapting to an uncharged state; it is becoming new again.

    is this the same patent that is in the courts ?

    Monster Cable Charges AudioQuest with Willful Patent Infringement in Federal Court.

    Yes, that is the same patent that was challenged by Monster, Inc. However, you must have found an old web reference. Monster lost the lawsuit and AQ was granted their patent. I posted a link to a press release about the lawsuit in post 131 of this thread.
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Joe's a hack. He's hearing impared. Don't accept what he says as gospel.
    "Me winning isn't, you do"

    I was hoping you'd appear and sure enough here you are ;):p:mad::rolleyes::o:D:):(:eek::confused::cool::mad::p;):D:o:(

    Joe,
    You are right and it didn't cross my mind this thread would go like this. Its too bad a few blah blah blaher's would miss lead others who are here to learn. I know what there responses will be but they even know they are not trying to help others, just argue there opinions. None of them know the intimate make-up and manufacturing processes of all the copper used by the different manufactures who all state there is a break-in period/adjustment period. Oh well
  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited July 2009
    No matter whether there is truth in it or not - it's all matters is that one to be happy with the money he/she spent. If he/she thinks it's worth every pennies, then, it's superb.

    And even most so called Truth have falseness in it unless there is a Universal Truth.

    Oh wait, the Earth was Universally accepted as FLAT at one time (at least on this Planet at one time).

    We need scientific prove that the di-electric in cables does make a difference. Hearing / Not Hearing can depends from person to person and unless it's universally accepted, it can't be proven right or wrong.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited July 2009
    I'm just here to f*ck up threads as I see fit.
  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited July 2009
    ..and the Earth is flat....FYI
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    I'm just here to f*ck up threads as I see fit.

    I just saw one in the Club House for you - How old is your brain or something like that. Should be perfect for you :D Last time I talked with you in a thread I got a 5 point violation, how funny is that!!!!!!!!!
  • rayslifecycle
    rayslifecycle Posts: 511
    edited July 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    "Me winning isn't, you do"


    Bill Lee: Exterminate all rational thought. That is the conclusion I have come to.
    "Naked Lunch"
    I too love movie quotes
  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited July 2009
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    I just saw one in the Club House for you - How old is your brain or something like that. Should be perfect for you :D Last time I talked with you in a thread I got a 5 point violation, how funny is that!!!!!!!!!

    For Lightman? It really depends on whether we are talking about Light Years or Earth Years! But whatever the scale you use, I doubt he passed anything over 1 year old. :D:D:D
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited July 2009
    Go DK!!!!
    Your experiments and writings the past year illustrate your devotion and curiosity to the hobby. Thank you for your efforts.

    Thank you for your kind words. The publisher of Affordable Audio invited me to publish my initial noise study there and we received an overwhelmingly positive response, which lead to the publication of subsequent noise studies in AA.

    I actually had no idea that AA was so widely read. I have received many emails from audiophile scientists all over the world expressing appreciation for the studies. Some have asked that I submit the work to appropriate IEEE journals, which I plan to do.

    My motivation for doing the studies was not to "prove" any particular point. I just wanted to obtain some quantitative insight into what I was hearing.
    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited July 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    ..and the Earth is flat....FYI

    Dam*....Do you know I have to drive up 4000 ft every time I came back home from LA? ;)
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited July 2009
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    I just saw one in the Club House for you - How old is your brain or something like that. Should be perfect for you :D Last time I talked with you in a thread I got a 5 point violation, how funny is that!!!!!!!!!
    I'm up to 10, I think. Jerk.
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2009
    megasat16 wrote: »
    For Lightman? It really depends on whether we are talking about Light Years or Earth Years! But whatever the scale you use, I doubt he passed anything over 1 year old. :D:D:D

    GOOD ONE!!!!!!!
    Ya gotta add a little humor to threads like this.
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited July 2009
    rubin wrote: »
    Thanks , now I feel better about my JPS power cords.

    C'mon now...I'm sure you felt better about them the first time you listened.;)
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Wow! It's nice to know at least there are a few folks who see things the way I see. :D

    Great! Now there are (at least) three of us.:)


    Well guys, you know how much I enjoy our stimulating and entertaining discussions that lead to nowhere in particular. However, I have just taken delivery of a new Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD 1080p plasma television and I need to take leave to get better acquainted with it.

    Unfortunately, it will be a week before I can settle down to serious watching because, for the first 150 hours, I will be running the break-in DVD recommended by ISF (Imaging Sciences Foundation) calibrator's to break in the screen phosphors prior to setting the picture adjustments.

    I must say that it looks spectacular right of the box...and even more spectatular when it's turned on.:p

    KuroInstalledBox-s.jpg

    Don't y'all fight, now.:)

    Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country!
  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited July 2009
    megasat16 wrote: »
    For Lightman? It really depends on whether we are talking about Light Years or Earth Years! But whatever the scale you use, I doubt he passed anything over 1 year old. :D:D:D
    Where do live?
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2009
    Thank you for your kind words. The publisher of Affordable Audio invited me to publish my initial noise study there and we received an overwhelmingly positive response, which lead to the publication of subsequent noise studies in AA.

    I actually had no idea that AA was so widely read. I have received many emails from audiophile scientists all over the world expressing appreciation for the studies. Some have asked that I submit the work to appropriate IEEE journals, which I plan to do.

    My motivation for doing the studies was not to "prove" any particular point. I just wanted to obtain some quantitative insight into what I was hearing.

    Congratulations
  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited July 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    I'm up to 10, I think. Jerk.

    Did you just call me a jerk? Damn I am happy I trimmed my bushes around my house so there is no where for you to easily hide.
  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited July 2009
    thanks for the update DK

    I am losing confidence in the Patent Process and the Bureaucracy.......

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited July 2009
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Where do live?

    Sending me Christmas cards? :o It's too early now in July! :D
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: