May I have the forums attention PLEASE?

candyliquor35m

MrNightly wrote:

And what is gained by being demeaning and rude in your replies? Just because he believes something else that you don't, why are you so hateful in your responses? You act like he is a terrorist trying to ruin the freedom of America.

Whatever happened to the Golden Rule? Do to other's as you would have them do to you?

Just my observations.

TroyD wrote:

Again, my problem is that there are people stupid enough to believe that BS.

You don't see me jumping up and down on the couch saying I'm right but I'm not going to be bullied into not getting my point across either. I would be glad to let everyone make their decision but according to you, you're the only one smart enough to do that.

I try to use common sense as often as possible and common sense tells me you don't put a highly dangerous and deadly substance, that's vigorously regulated by the epa, into children's developing bodies or into anyone's teeth or for that matter into anyone's body, children or adult. Why do you think most of the childhood vaccines have had the mercury removed from them? Not because the government or the drug companies listens to quacks that's for sure so there's evidently some substance to this controversy.

PS: the last time I checked, the govt doesn't back down to idiots or whatever you called me

disneyjoe7

What the main stream doctors in this country are gospel all others in the world are nuts. :rolleyes:

F1nut

After reading everything you've posted, Candyliquor35m, I've got to agree with BDT. You've got a big bag of nothing!

candyliquor35m

F1nut wrote:

After reading everything you've posted, Candyliquor35m, I've got to agree with BDT. You've got a big bag of nothing!

Did you read all the links I posted? It's not like I made any of this stuff up. It's plastered all over the internet which doesn't mean it's true but you see how hard it is to convince any of you that it might be true so I would venture to say that something clicked in these authors mind that there is more to this than just quackery. For me it was finding my receipt for the vaccination I received in march of 98 and by august of 98 I was diagnosed with ms which is exactly what the book I read said always precedes a ms diagnosis.

Postscript: I wonder how much quackery was written about the dangers of smoking before people started to take it serious.

TroyD

I would be glad to let everyone make their decision but according to you, you're the only one smart enough to do that.

In this case, exactly. You've got your head so far up your zorch I'll bet you could see your spleen.

I try to use common sense as often as possible

Obviously in this case, not so much.

common sense tells me you don't put a highly dangerous and deadly substance, that's vigorously regulated by the epa, into children's developing bodies

OK, here are the facts and any way you slice it, you can't find any definitve refutation of them.

Dental Amalgams have been used, safely, for 150 years
The amount of mercury vapor ingested, on average, per day is roughly one third the amount considered by the ADA, CDA, WHO etc potentially dangerous. IE a SAFE amount

Now, in terms of vaccines. Again, there is NO conclusive evidence of any type that the mercury content presented any threat. NONE. If there were, do you not think that all existing vaccines would have been recalled?

While you chew on that, chew on this. The conspiracy theorist might conclude that it is just that, a gov't coverup. OK, so explain to me the recent recall of, say, VIOXX? I mean, wouldn't the gov't be in just as much hot water? I mean if they are going to cover something up, why just stop with mercury?

The fact is, all of your hocus pocus website allude to the dangers of mercury. On the surface, yes, that sounds plausible. However NONE of them mentions the amount that is actually ingested in the body nor do they reference the amounts that are considered safe. Nor do any of them make any concrete cause/effect relationships. You show me a conclusive study that definitively says there is a direct correlation between either dental fillings/vaccines and any sort of disease and I'll publicly apologize.

So, yes, I'll call the **** flag and I'll continue to consider you a paranoid putz.

BDT

TroyD

Once again....if we are posting links:

http://www.dentalwatch.org/hg/conchoice.html

This blows a pretty big hole in your websites ju-ju.

Suckered by an ambulance chaser.

BDT

candyliquor35m

TroyD wrote:

In this case, exactly. You've got your head so far up your zorch I'll bet you could see your spleen.

Obviously in this case, not so much.

OK, here are the facts and any way you slice it, you can't find any definitve refutation of them.

Dental Amalgams have been used, safely, for 150 years
The amount of mercury vapor ingested, on average, per day is roughly one third the amount considered by the ADA, CDA, WHO etc potentially dangerous. IE a SAFE amount

Now, in terms of vaccines. Again, there is NO conclusive evidence of any type that the mercury content presented any threat. NONE. If there were, do you not think that all existing vaccines would have been recalled?

While you chew on that, chew on this. The conspiracy theorist might conclude that it is just that, a gov't coverup. OK, so explain to me the recent recall of, say, VIOXX? I mean, wouldn't the gov't be in just as much hot water? I mean if they are going to cover something up, why just stop with mercury?

The fact is, all of your hocus pocus website allude to the dangers of mercury. On the surface, yes, that sounds plausible. However NONE of them mentions the amount that is actually ingested in the body nor do they reference the amounts that are considered safe. Nor do any of them make any concrete cause/effect relationships. You show me a conclusive study that definitively says there is a direct correlation between either dental fillings/vaccines and any sort of disease and I'll publicly apologize.

So, yes, I'll call the **** flag and I'll continue to consider you a paranoid putz.

BDT

Just like I thought, you aren't reading any of the links I've posted because your mind is already made up. Well I'll quote one of them:

"Up until about 1989, preschool children received only 3 vaccines (polio, DPT, MMR). Then during George Bush Senior's presidency, the number of immunizations given to young children skyrocketed, fueled by the federal vaccine advisory board that was populated primarily by lobbyists for the vaccine manufacturers. One of the vaccines added during this period was the mercury-laden Hepatitis B vaccine which was to be given within 24 hours of birth. Heptatis B is primarily a STD (sexually transmitted disease). The government could have instead instituted a blood test for pregnant women determine if their newborns were at risk rather than injecting all newborns with yet another vaccine. By 1999, the CDC recommended a total of 22 vaccines to be given before children reach the 1st grade. Many of these vaccines contained mercury. In the 1990s approximately 40 million children were injected with mercury-containing vaccines.

The cumulative amount of mercury being given to children in this number of vaccines would be an amount 187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.

Between 1989 and 2003, there was an explosion of autism. The incidence of autism (and other related disorders) went from about 1 in 2,500 children to 1 in every 166. Currently there are more than a half million children in the U.S. that have autism. This disorder has devastated families leading to high divorce rates, shortened lives of parents (parents of special needs children live an average of 10 years less than other parents), and reduced standard of living to pay for expensive treatments."

http://autismcoach.com/Autism%20Declines%20When%20Mercury%20Vaccines%20Banned.htm

The cumulative amount of mercury being given to children in this number of vaccines would be an amount 187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.

The cumulative amount of mercury being given to children in this number of vaccines would be an amount 187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.

The cumulative amount of mercury being given to children in this number of vaccines would be an amount 187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.

The cumulative amount of mercury being given to children in this number of vaccines would be an amount 187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.

Hello earth to bdt

Postscript: who's lobbying for all these vaccines without caring one bit about the children receiving them? "the number of immunizations given to young children skyrocketed, fueled by the federal vaccine advisory board that was populated primarily by lobbyists for the vaccine manufacturers."

F1nut

Still no conclusive proof, only speculation.

candyliquor35m

TroyD wrote:

Once again....if we are posting links:

http://www.dentalwatch.org/hg/conchoice.html

This blows a pretty big hole in your websites ju-ju.

Suckered by an ambulance chaser.

BDT

Thanks for helping me out. You're posting links that expose the truths that earlier you were calling big fat lies:

"Initially, CDC's work was all defensive, fighting to support mercury-free dentists who were being harassed by state licensing boards with threats of losing their professional licenses. CDC's work has now grown to include legal challenges to state regulations which prohibit mercury-free dentists from advising dental consumers about the risks of mercury amalgams, as well as support of national and state legislation to require informed consent before placement of mercury amalgams, to limit the use of mercury amalgams in vulnerable populations, and to ban the use of mercury amalgams for all by 2007."

TroyD

The cumulative amount of mercury being given to children in this number of vaccines would be an amount 187 times the EPA daily exposure limit.

IF all of these vaccines were were administered at the same time, I might bite but that's obviously NOT the case. Nor does your source actually say that ANY child was found with toxic amounts of mercury.

Thanks for helping me out. You're posting links that expose the truths that earlier you were calling big fat lies:

"Initially, CDC's work was all defensive, fighting to support mercury-free dentists who were being harassed by state licensing boards with threats of losing their professional licenses. CDC's work has now grown to include legal challenges to state regulations which prohibit mercury-free dentists from advising dental consumers about the risks of mercury amalgams, as well as support of national and state legislation to require informed consent before placement of mercury amalgams, to limit the use of mercury amalgams in vulnerable populations, and to ban the use of mercury amalgams for all by 2007."

Did you bother to read the whole article? Lawsuits dismissed? CDC created by a lawyer who is the primary recipient of funds raised? Virtually all lawsuits have been dismissed? Hello? McFly??

JHC, I thought that you might at LEAST be able to read.

putz

BDT

candyliquor35m

F1nut wrote:

Still no conclusive proof, only speculation.

Jesse,

This is all your fault for not speaking up sooner

TroyD wrote:

IF all of these vaccines were were administered at the same time, I might bite but that's obviously NOT the case. Nor does your source actually say that ANY child was found with toxic amounts of mercury.



Did you bother to read the whole article? Lawsuits dismissed? CDC created by a lawyer who is the primary recipient of funds raised? Virtually all lawsuits have been dismissed? Hello? McFly??

JHC, I thought that you might at LEAST be able to read.

putz

BDT

How many tobacco lawsuits were dismissed before the truth came out? Lawyers tend to take cases that have at least a little validity that they think they can win (because aren't they just out for the money )

TroyD

Lawyers tend to take cases that have at least a little validity that they think they can win

Dry that one out and you can fertilize the lawn with it.

So, can you refute any of the facts or not?

Thought not.

G'night, putz.

BDT

TheReaper

candyliquor35m wrote:

How many tobacco lawsuits were dismissed before the truth came out?

You do know that there has been a mandatory warning on cigarette packs since 1966 (not exactly a coverup). By the late 1950's, studies had definitively shown the dangers of tobacco smoking. Our government was slow, but they did respond within a few years.

PS. You are trying to rouse people with incomplete facts, just like the articles you linked to.

bikezappa

Dale Carnegie

Few people are logical. Most of us are prejudiced and biased. Most of us are blighted with preconceived notions, with jealousy, suspicion, fear, envy, and pride. And most citizens don’t want to change their minds about religion, or their hair cut or Communism or Clark cable. So if you are inclined to tell people they are wrong, please read the following paragraph on your knees every morning before breakfast. It is from Professor James Robinson’s enlightening book, The Mind in the Making.

We sometimes find ourselves changing our minds without any resistance or heavy emotion, but if we are told we are wrong, we resent the imputation and harden our hearts. We are incredibly headless in the formation of our beliefs, but find ourselves filled with an illicit passion for them when anyone proposes to rob us of their companionship. It is obviously not the ideas themselves that are dear to us, but our self-esteem which is threatened. . . . The little word “my” is the most important one in human affairs, and properly to reckon with it is the beginning of wisdom. It has the same force whether it is “my” dinner, “my” dog, “my” house, or “my” father, “my” country, and “my” God. We not only resent the imputation that our watch is wrong, or our car is shabby, but that our conception of the canals of Mars, of the pronunciation of “Epictetus,” or the data of Sargon I is subject to revision. . . .We like to continue to believe what we have been accustomed to accept as true, and the resentment aroused when doubt is cast upon any of our assumptions leads us to seek every manner of excuse for clinging to it. The result is that most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believing as we already do.

candyliquor35m

bikezappa wrote:

Dale Carnegie

Few people are logical. Most of us are prejudiced and biased. Most of us are blighted with preconceived notions, with jealousy, suspicion, fear, envy, and pride. And most citizens don’t want to change their minds about religion, or their hair cut or Communism or Clark cable. So if you are inclined to tell people they are wrong, please read the following paragraph on your knees every morning before breakfast. It is from Professor James Robinson’s enlightening book, The Mind in the Making.

We sometimes find ourselves changing our minds without any resistance or heavy emotion, but if we are told we are wrong, we resent the imputation and harden our hearts. We are incredibly headless in the formation of our beliefs, but find ourselves filled with an illicit passion for them when anyone proposes to rob us of their companionship. It is obviously not the ideas themselves that are dear to us, but our self-esteem which is threatened. . . . The little word “my” is the most important one in human affairs, and properly to reckon with it is the beginning of wisdom. It has the same force whether it is “my” dinner, “my” dog, “my” house, or “my” father, “my” country, and “my” God. We not only resent the imputation that our watch is wrong, or our car is shabby, but that our conception of the canals of Mars, of the pronunciation of “Epictetus,” or the data of Sargon I is subject to revision. . . .We like to continue to believe what we have been accustomed to accept as true, and the resentment aroused when doubt is cast upon any of our assumptions leads us to seek every manner of excuse for clinging to it. The result is that most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believing as we already do.

That's very deep and logical. I was just writing those same words of wisdom when my power blipped off and on and I lost it all

Oh well here's my version. If I haven't convinced any of you yet then I'm not going to probably because you're looking for a smoking gun and there may not be one and may never will so it will take a public outcry to change the status quo or a couple of lucky lawyers.

I still think it's very similar to the tobacco issue. One lab rat can smoke a pack a day and live a long and healthy life until it dies of old age but another lab rat can smoke a pack a day and die of lung cancer in a year or two. Try taking that scientific study with you to court. The same holds true for exposure to mercury except 1 in 150 kids now being diagnosed with autism is approaching the undeniable point.

The mercury issue is no different than the tobacco issue was except the public is still uninformed about mercury thus the flaming responses we've seen in this thread and the old one. Everyone knew smoking caused cancer but how many decades did it take for a jury to have the guts to say so and hold the tobacco companies liable for it. We haven't reached that point yet with mercury but it's coming.

It may take even longer though because it will be the ADA on its knees asking for mercy from the jury.

"I may not make it to the mountain top with ya but mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord." MLK Jr

hearingimpared

bikezappa wrote:

Dale Carnegie

Few people are logical. Most of us are prejudiced and biased. Most of us are blighted with preconceived notions, with jealousy, suspicion, fear, envy, and pride. And most citizens don’t want to change their minds about religion, or their hair cut or Communism or Clark cable. So if you are inclined to tell people they are wrong, please read the following paragraph on your knees every morning before breakfast. It is from Professor James Robinson’s enlightening book, The Mind in the Making.

We sometimes find ourselves changing our minds without any resistance or heavy emotion, but if we are told we are wrong, we resent the imputation and harden our hearts. We are incredibly headless in the formation of our beliefs, but find ourselves filled with an illicit passion for them when anyone proposes to rob us of their companionship. It is obviously not the ideas themselves that are dear to us, but our self-esteem which is threatened. . . . The little word “my” is the most important one in human affairs, and properly to reckon with it is the beginning of wisdom. It has the same force whether it is “my” dinner, “my” dog, “my” house, or “my” father, “my” country, and “my” God. We not only resent the imputation that our watch is wrong, or our car is shabby, but that our conception of the canals of Mars, of the pronunciation of “Epictetus,” or the data of Sargon I is subject to revision. . . .We like to continue to believe what we have been accustomed to accept as true, and the resentment aroused when doubt is cast upon any of our assumptions leads us to seek every manner of excuse for clinging to it. The result is that most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believing as we already do.

Are you saying that this applies to ALL of us regardless as to what height of spiritual enlightenment or Godly wisdom we may have been gifted with???

This helps me to keep Dale Carnegie's marvelous observation out of my life . . . I say these prayers on my knees before breakfast (amoung other prayers) I admit that what Dale Carnegie wrote is not completely removed from me because after all I am a weak human being;

#1.

My Lord,

I offer myself to Thee,
To build with me and to do with me as Thou wilt.
Relieve me of the bondage of self, that I may better do Thy Will,
Take away my difficulties that victory over them may bear witness to those I would help of Thy Power, Thy Love, and Thy Way of Life,
My I your Thy Will always.

#2.

My Creator,

I am now willing that You should have all of me good and bad,
I pray that You now remove from me every single defect of character,
Which stands in the way of my usefulness to You and my fellows,
Grant me strength as I go out from here to do Your Will.

avelanchefan

mantis wrote:

OK OK enough is enough,
I know alot of you are having fun with fighting and making a mess out of our forum...................but,
Give me a minute and I want to tell you all a story.

I have been posting in this forum for a very long time.Longer then just about all of you.This forum started along time ago.I will say it was about 4 years or so.It was a wonderfull place to come in,talk about this hobby,and really learn from each other.

Today and for a long time,I feel this forum lost alot of that.I'm gonna leave that alone for now and go somewhere else for a minute......

I am just as guilty as all you newer guys who are tearing up the forum.I had my share of it,and you know what???After it was all said and done..........I didn't think it was the right thing to do.
Alot of you know exactly what I'm talking about.....the trio...............TroyD,Russ,and mantis.Later on it devoloped into Liv4fam and the rest of us.......but thats the past in short(very short).

I think we all should take a step back from the forum and think about WHY we all come in here.

Here's why I do....
I come in here because I love audio and video.I also Love Polk speakers.I think/live/dream/feel/experience/etc audio and video.I love it so much,I work in this industry.I want to learn all I can about what I love.

Most you know I love to talk about wire.**** I started some of the longest debates(that turned into fights and measuring contests).When I get something new,I love to talk about it.Now that I have a digital camera,I like to take pics of it and show everyone.And not for reasons that I want everyone to feel bad about what they own,I just like to share what I own.
You know I have a alot to say.I'm not sure If I earned the respect to even start a thead like this due to my track record,but I will say this guys......I mean well.....really I do.My delivery sucks,but if you can get threw it,somewhere there could be some usefull Info.

Back to "Today and for a long time,I feel this forum lost alot of that".You know quite honestly,I 've been wanting to quit the forum(yes I know again???)but not for a break ,but for good.I'll be honest,I hang around other forums and NONE of the **** that goes on in here,goes on elsewhere.
I don't know where we got OFF TRACK,but I would really like to get back ON TRACK.
So who's with me?

Well Mantis nice try......Go Broncos!! (in 2007)

Polk65

MrNightly wrote:

And what is gained by being demeaning and rude in your replies? Just because he believes something else that you don't, why are you so hateful in your responses? You act like he is a terrorist trying to ruin the freedom of America.

Whatever happened to the Golden Rule? Do to other's as you would have them do to you?

Just my observations.

I waited 24 hours and counted to 10 before replying. Here's a band-aid.

MrNightly

Polk65 wrote:

I waited 24 hours and counted to 10 before replying. Here's a band-aid.

Here's a gold star. Wear it proudly.

jdhdiggs

Umm, just a thought CL, do you know what a daily exposure limit is and how it is defined by the EPA? Might want to do that research before condeming anything with that evidence. The cummulative impact of all the kids vaccines is 187 times the DEL? No problem as they aren't exposed to ALL THE VACCINES EVERY DAY!

Do you know how the DEL is generated? If you did, you'd understand that an accumulation of 187 days of over 3 years of injections has minimal risks.

Jstas

Hey, bonus points to anyone who knows what "Sargon I" was!

mrbigbluelight

Sargon I ? Heck, everybody knows that !

First, we have the famed Sargon of Akkad, dated to ca. 2340 BC but for whom allegedly "NO contemporary records exist" (Enc. Brit.), and this at a time when writing was in full swing in the Near East.

Second we have Sargon I of Assyria, dated to ca. 1850 BC, given an independent existence by some scholar based on only ONE tablet found in Cappadocia and allegedly dated to this era, although there are NO records in Assyrian literature anywhere about a Sargon of this period.

Third and last we have Sargon II of Assyria, dated to ca. 720 BC, who is regarded to be one of Assyria's great kings, based on records HE wrote. The scholars also think he chose his name Sargon in honor of the previous ancient Sargon of Akkad. This was quite a task, since NO records about Sargon of Akkad now exist.

It is easy to prove that Sargon I was Sargon of Akkad as well. The only evidence of a Sargon I anywhere is a tablet with a seal of Sargon found in Cappadocia. This fits perfectly with a tale about Sargon of Akkad, related in the Encyclopaedia Britannica under "Sargon of Akkad":
"Such was his fame that some merchants in an Anatolian city, probably in central Turkey, begged him to intervene in a local quarrel, and, according to the legend, Sargon, with a band of warriors, made a fabulous journey to the still-unlocated city of Burushanda (Purshahanda) [ this was Boghazkeui, Buyukale, ancient Hittite capital], at the end of which little more than his appearance was needed to settle the dispute."


Of course, that's just off the top of my head. Correct me if I'm wrong.

:rolleyes:

mrbigbluelight

Now, if you meant "Zargon", Zargon is the evil villain of the boardgame HeroQuest by Milton Bradley.

hearingimpared

mrbigbluelight wrote:

Now, if you meant "Zargon", Zargon is the evil villain of the boardgame HeroQuest by Milton Bradley.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa

Polk65

MrNightly wrote:

Here's a gold star. Wear it proudly.

Only if it doesn't contain mercury.

Public floggings are good for morale.

TheReaper

Polk65 wrote:

Only if it doesn't contain mercury.

Ahhh, but if you knew about the cyanides, arsenic and other chemicals in the gold plating.

You would be more worried

mantis

TroyD wrote:

Dry that one out and you can fertilize the lawn with it.

So, can you refute any of the facts or not?

Thought not.

G'night, putz.

BDT

Troy,
are you still swinging around here?? Left hook, right uppercut. The more things change the more they stay the same.

You guys kill me..waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Dan
ps..HI Troy, miss me?? Shall I jump in and let you sit out a few rounds. I'm fresh and ready for some action!!!!

mrbigbluelight

Mantis is back !

Or should I say .... The Deadly Mantis !! :eek:

http://www.archive.org/stream/deadly_mantis/deadly_mantis_256kb.mp4

Some of the most astounding scenes ever filmed !!

Mama Mia !!!

If one looks closely, I believe a few Polkies (and Polkettes ) can be spotted in that brief documentary.
A few scenes were inserted from previous Polkfests, if I'm not mistaken.

A few minutes of terror surpassing terror ! Not Safe for Work !

mantis

Damn Homey caught me on film.

Dan

hearingimpared

mrbigbluelight wrote:

Mantis is back !

Or should I say .... The Deadly Mantis !! :eek:

http://www.archive.org/stream/deadly_mantis/deadly_mantis_256kb.mp4

Some of the most astounding scenes ever filmed !!

Mama Mia !!!

If one looks closely, I believe a few Polkies (and Polkettes ) can be spotted in that brief documentary.
A few scenes were inserted from previous Polkfests, if I'm not mistaken.

A few minutes of terror surpassing terror ! Not Safe for Work !

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa and we also have Paul Drake from Perry Mason as the main character.