May I have the forums attention PLEASE?

TroyD

OK,

I'd like clarification as you seem to be skirting the issue.

1. True or not true, vaccinations have effictively rid the world of diseases like Polio and small pox.

2. The VAST majority of people in this country who have recieved injections do not die or suffer from Mercury related issues. I'm not saying that a few may not have (virtually every medicine carries nasty side effects for some) issues but the statistics simply don't support your claim

3. Silver fillings, I'll bet that the majority of people in this country are walking around with them in thier mouth. Again ,the VAST majority have ZERO issues with them. People are living longer every year. Statistically, your hocus pocus holds no water.

4. The State of Maine didn't BAN amalgams did they? Why do you suppose that is? Maybe because the statistics don't support such a claim? I'm from Maine and will tell you that it is as close to a socialist, tree-hugger paradise as you will find. If they didn't ban them, that speaks volumes.

4b. An interesting footnote to item 4. The mandated briefing by the state.....that sort of contradicts your previous claim from 'speaking to MANY dentists that they are prohibited (for fear of losing thier liscence to practice) from warning thier patients of the dangers. See, even your BS is contradicting itself.

5. You are still refusing to reconcile your previous claims about doctors/dentists fearing having the ADA/AMA pulling thier credentials. Now, had you said that you speculated such a thing, ok, I'll just give you a pass on just being gulible. Nope, you presented it as fact on the basis of your discussions with doctors/dentists. Well, that particular lie doesn't stand up to the light of day. So, which is it? If it is true that doctors told you that, I'd like to know who they are. At which point, I will send off letters to them, the ADA/AMA and local news media.

6. Since you brought up your own condition with an x-ray, just how is it that your neurologist is making the claim that it's Mercury that is the culprit because even in YOUR own BS the corolation to brain lesions hasn't been mentioned.

Look, if you want to believe something that's fine. Go on the internet and you can find something to support what you want. The fact of the matter is, your opinion is in the VERY small minority. Me? Items one and two, which are statisically irrefutable, are enough to convince me.

I have a sneaking suspicion that our boy is going to post more gobbledygook, possibly from the WHO (a UN institution, need I say more?)....but, mind you, will NOT be able to offer anything substantial to refute items 1,2 or 3. Item 5, well, that was a bald face lie so, what do you expect. Item 6, I suppose there is the 1 in a million scenario, which, if true still doesn't make a statistical case for the overall threat to the public at large.

With that said, I'm out on this subject. I apologize for the derail and waste of everyones time. However, if there is one thing in this world that I can't stand, it's people buying a line of BS and then advancing the agenda using BS assumptions.

BDT

candyliquor35m

http://www.talkinternational.com/aam_khorrami_kids.htm

"As set forth herein, the Defendants, through their so-called "ethical rules," have openly prevented dentists from properly informing their patients of the toxicity of this product. These so-called "ethical rules" have been, and continue to be, enforced by various dental boards in order to revoke the licenses of dentists who speak against the use of mercury amalgams. The Defendants, through their literature, particularly their brochure which is going to be the subject of a request for a preliminary injunction herein, have provided false information to their members and the general public regarding the dangers of this product, or even the fact that mercury is an ingredient. In fact, Defendants refer to mercury amalgam fillings as silver. Through their accreditation program, Defendants, and particularly the ADA, have caused dental schools to provide trainees with false information regarding mercury amalgams."

http://tuberose.com/Mercury.html

"The ADA has a "gag rule" and enforces it through state dental boards, which prohibits dentists from initiating discussion critical of amalgam's health effects."

"Many of those dentists who have inquired into mercury toxicity have lost their licenses or been put on probation for challenging the safety of mercury."

http://www.mercola.com/2001/sep/8/mercury.htm

"Maine Governor Angus King today signed the most advanced bill in the United States requiring dentists to inform their patients that amalgam dental fillings contain a large percentage of the toxic element mercury, which can be harmful to the wearer's health."

do a yahoo or google search on "dentists cannot inform mercury dangers"
or "dentists cannot inform patients of mercury dangers"

I can present evidence all day long if you want or everyone can do their own research and make their own conclusion. I think the forum prefers the latter.

Oh yeah, cables don't make a difference either

jdhdiggs

From your same website:
http://www.talkinternational.com/news/news-amalgam-4-19-06.html

Your second site needs birkenstocks and a bag of granola to enter.

TroyD

Ok, I'll counter your goobledygook with the Canadian health boards position, since they aren't subject to the AMA gag rule:

http://www.cda-adc.ca/en/oral_health/faqs_resources/faqs/dental_amalgam_faqs.asp

You still have nothing but inneuendo. The FACT is the AMA/ADA have ZERO means to enforce such a gag rule. NONE. Show me such a correlation. I can say that the moon is made out of green cheese, unless I can prove it, it means NOTHING.

What you are presenting is NOT EVIDENCE. There is no statistical or factual basis for it. It's anecdotal at best. What IS a fact is that of the total amount of mercury that a person ingests daily, the mercury vapor that is given off is only about a THIRD. I wonder where that other 66% comes from, FOOD? Does your witchhunt include the commercial fishing industry?

I find it outrageous that you would put children at risk of things like Polio and SmallPox over some chickenshit scam (at worst) or statistically ingsignifigant paranoia (at best)

BDT

PolkThug

I recommend daily brushing and flossing. No mercury fillings for me!

jkn

I think this thread has bipolar disorder.

TroyD

Lemme also just run this by you...

(I know I said I was done but I can't help it, sorry)

http://www.pacifichealthcenter.com/updates/4.asp

Ok, does anyone besides me think it curious that this website alludes to the dangers of amalgams but think it's convenient that they don't offer any sort of statistical evidence? Don't you think that they would, were it available? (PSSSSSST....it isn't available).

However, being the kind benefactors that they are, they will gladly pull your old fillings and put in new, safe ones. OH GOODY!!!

(wouldn't have anything to do with the possible PROFIT involved?)

I'm sure it NEVER occured to anyone that they stand to make a LOT of money offering a signifgantly costlier alternative.

I'm a glass half full kinda guy. I generally believe people will do the right thing.

Candy here takes the half empty view, people will screw you if given the chance.

OK, I'll bite.

Now, here is the scenario. What is more motivating (by a health professional, no less)? Money or the desire to inflict insideous disease.

I'm more apt to believe that there are a few quacks out there that oppose amalgams because of the potential profit in REPLACING them with new, costlier fillings. I can buy that.

What I DON'T buy is that the health profession at large is guilty of some grand manipulation to put the majority of population at risk. Oh, and they make less profit on it, btw. It doesn't hold any water. There is no motivation.

BDT

shack

candyliquor35m wrote:

I think the forum prefers the latter.

Based on the responses here and on the BS thread you started about this "information", my take is that the forum prefers that you stop posting about something that you (regardless of what you think) have little knowledge of and without regard to how it will effect anyone else. You have a problem that may or may not have even been caused by what you and you doctor claim. THE OVERWHELMING medical and scientific data DO NOT SUPPORT your claim. Your information is bad science and bad medicine.

candyliquor35m

jdhdiggs wrote:

From your same website:
http://www.talkinternational.com/news/news-amalgam-4-19-06.html

Your second site needs birkenstocks and a bag of granola to enter.

Well actually just enter any email address or make one up. I don't think they are verified.

Finally someone is doing their own research without just blapping out their own personal opinion. BTW the CDA is the equivilent to the ADA in the US (I assume) so they are both in deep do-do for endorsing amalgams for the past 100 years so they must continue their cover-up to avoid a huge class action lawsuit.

I've said my piece and raised everyone's awareness so have a good day. I'll let the naysayers have the last word because isn't that what always happens.

shack

Like Troy, I'm out of this one as well. I've said my part and will not respond on it again...regardless of whether any more misinformation is posted.

And unlike Troy...I really mean it...;)

TroyD

How could they POSSIBLY be in deep do-do for endorsing amalgams? How in the world could they POSSIBLY be held liable?

What possible statistical evidence could you POSSIBLY show? Do you NOT think if there were some huge conspiracy that there would be a class action lawsuit of epic proportions? (although the ADA/AMA are just professional associations so I'm not sure, as I'm not a lawyer, how they could be held liable...but I'm playing along)

Oh, and you have some proof of this coverup, right? Oh, I forgot, people are dying in record numbers. Wait a minute, that's not happening......Uh, no, they are but they've also included the pathologists in this huge coverup too. right??

Crackpot. I can't believe someone could be this stupid. Again, on it's own, it would just be entertaining to pick apart a crackpot. The scary part is, if this guy has kids......what dangers that THEY might be subjected to.

Oh, and just how DID the mercury cause the bump on your head?

BDT

bikezappa

And, from the Zen tradition:
Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era, received a
university professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup
full, and then kept on pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no
longer could restrain himself. 'It is overfull.
No more will go in!'
'Like this cup,' Nan-in said, 'you are full of
your own opinions and speculations. How can I
show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?'
-- Zen Flesh, Zen Bones

jdhdiggs

My word, you missed the whole point. You cherry pick your information from a website that CONTRADICTS ITSELF!!! (And you ignore the news story that actually uses stats to disprove your whole hypothesis. Not only did you do it, but the article was on THE FRONT PAGE!!!

Apperantly my joke also went over your head:
The other site is so tree hugger/hippy that the cure for everything is sunshine, a random plant, and a hug.

shack

bikezappa wrote:

And, from the Zen tradition:
Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era, received a
university professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup
full, and then kept on pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no
longer could restrain himself. 'It is overfull.
No more will go in!'
'Like this cup,' Nan-in said, 'you are full of
your own opinions and speculations. How can I
show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?'
-- Zen Flesh, Zen Bones

A wise man once said:

"if you have a full cup of tea,
and you empty that cup,
and fill it with crap,
You now have a cup of crap"

Author unknown....

candyliquor35m

"The Titanic is unsinkable."

TroyD

Thanks for letting us have a look in your big bag of nothing.

Crackpot.

BDT

jdhdiggs

The moon is made of cheese...

WTH?

TroyD

Didn't you know that, James?

I read it on the internet, it MUST be true.

I like this little disclaimer on one of the websites:


Although the authors believe this information to be true, the information contained on this website is not intended to prescribe medication or practice medicine, nor is it intended to prevent, treat or cure symptoms, conditions or diseases. If you are seeking help, consult a qualified practitioner.

What I really like is that these quacks go to great length to detail the dangers of mercury, which are well known, yet they can't seem to bridge the gap of saying for sure that the amalgams are the cause. Pretty slick.

BDT

candyliquor35m

They're selling amalgam suckers at the White House snack bar now. They're right next to the radioactive suckers from WWII and the agent orange suckers from Vietnam and the DDT suckers from the 50's and the dioxin suckers from that little town in missouri.

PhantomOG

You remind me of spyderman

ben62670

Are yoiu guys still fighting in the no fighting zone?

disneyjoe7

You both are arguing over what's the cause of a medical condition which is sad too me. You both have it so first God Bless, now step back count your blessings and leave it alone. Sad I say Sad.

cfrizz

You posted a site listing a lawsuit being done in CA in 2001, however you conveniently don't post the outcome of that lawsuit. Why not? I seriously doubt it is still going on 6 yrs later!

I'm sorry, after taking a 2nd look, it appears that this never went to trial. There is no case number, docket number or any other information given to track this lawsuit down to find out the outcome!

Could it be it was never filed????

PhantomOG

I just now noticed the other thread is gone... I guess it was deleted? Warning people about mercury and flat out telling people to avoid all vaccines are two completely different animals.

hearingimpared

Wow we really are being WATCHED MUUUUHHHAAAAA!!!

TroyD

http://www.dentalwatch.org/hg/conchoice.html

Here is some reading on the lawsuits. It would appear that none of them have held any water. Although the courts are part of the grand conspiracy too, you know.

BDT

F1nut

I'm going to bite somebody.

TroyD

What, and infect someone with mercury?

Heartless ****.

BDT

ND13

You mean I'm not supposed to crack open the thermometer, like a pixie stick, to get to the "candy" filling??? :eek: :rolleyes:

polkatese

Noel is baaaaaaacccccccckkkkkk!!!!!!!

We all missed you, Noel!

....please carry-on with the Mercury discussions, I just want to welcome back, Noel...