Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • daboyz
    daboyz Posts: 5,207
    edited March 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    Your kidding right...half of them are labeled #4 or #5....and even show the twisted pair.

    Whatever..If you people think..the more you pay the better the sound.....fine.

    I think a "good" 12 gauge 99% copper wire is going to do the same for you at a desent price!!!!!!!!!!

    No one said the more you pay the better the sound. As said,if you're happy then cool beans.
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited March 2009
    You should really head over to the Audioholics forum with this topic. You'll find plenty of love & agreement on the subject there. Here you're beating a dead horse!!! And you're losing!!! :D
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    No I was not doing this to..fight with anybody, just let people know what they can get....thats all.....plus this all my opinon on things......
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  • jm1
    jm1 Posts: 618
    edited March 2009
    Yes, my cable did make a significant difference. Can't say I have ever found any CatX cable using this construction technique or geometry. Also would never want to go back to my previous cables.

    As suggested, return your $250 cables and build some CatX cables. There are many plenty of recipes on the net.
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,081
    edited March 2009
    ^^reported^^.........................................................................LOL
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited March 2009
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    You should really head over to the Audioholics forum with this topic. You'll find plenty of love & agreement on the subject there. Here you're beating a dead horse!!! And you're losing!!! :D

    AVS is where the "audio atheists" hang out and will shout you down that your own personal experiences are nothing more than subjective delusions...that your own ears can not be trusted and any differences you may perceive are suspect and must be discounted because, it is known to all that the 'facts' are that there can not be any sonic differences due to cables, amps, components....

    Sorry...time for my valium....:D

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  • hifiaudio
    hifiaudio Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    I tried the cat5 cable idea a while back, they went in the trash can.. The low frequencies are totally lacking. There is NO low frequency through these cables. The higher freq. are pretty decent however.
    Just my opinion.
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  • daboyz
    daboyz Posts: 5,207
    edited March 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I want to marry my sister.

    I thought you already did.........................:D
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited March 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    I want to marry my sister.

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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2009
    Could all of you hold off until my popcorn is done? I don't to miss any of this show!
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Bsically my point was....you can get the same "sonic" cable for less......period

    There are only X companies that really make cable. IF you buy major amounts..you can tell them how you want it wraped, what you want in there.
    They will send you bulk cable....and hell yeah you can put on a gold end...and charge whatever they want. Yes they can put on whatever they think will sell...but in the end...the basic cable is the same.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited March 2009
    Is it April Fools Day already or simply the day of the fool?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • fbm211
    fbm211 Posts: 1,488
    edited March 2009
    I really enjoy this kind of topic but Im still waiting to hear exactly what amp,preamp,cdp,etc you are running those speakers with..Have you even tried a few different cables like audioquest,DH Labs,MIT,MAC,etc,or maybe (dare I even say it).............................MONSTER???
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited March 2009
    bobt - I suggest you take this internet wide! It is an outrage that we are all being taken for a ride by the cable companies. I would entitle your campaign "Monster Lies by the Audio Companies". Let us know how it all works out for you!
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited March 2009
    wtf?:confused:

    consider yourself VERY lucky if you don't hear a difference in cables because you can use the cheepies.

    Just because it costs more, doesn't mean it will sound better.
    I used to use $400 interconnects. Now my IC's are $65 a pair and they sound much better in my rig than the $400 ones. In fact, I brought the cables to my dealer for him to sell. He tried them out on his equipment and had the same complaint about the sound as I did. Maybe we're both deaf.
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    Well F1...since you have never delt with a cable company..nor understands who really makes the basic cable to begin with....or delt with a million dollor contract......and has no clue as to how this stuff is made...gee....yes i guess you must be right.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2009
    Bob, you're our savior.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited March 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Is it April Fools Day already or simply the day of the fool?


    Nope...it's the first day of Spring...when ants, flies, catepillars, and all sorts of bugs arise to plague the world...audio atheists as well :eek:

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited March 2009
    Of course, I'm right. I'm always right except when I'm wrong, but then again when I know that I'm wrong, then I'm right about that too.

    Sorry, I didn't mean to make your head spin.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Hawkeye
    Hawkeye Posts: 1,313
    edited March 2009
    bobt, why are you so twisted about the cost of cable? If your cheaper wire serves your needs, what is the big deal?

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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,500
    edited March 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    Bsically my point was....you can get the same "sonic" cable for less......period

    .

    You are missing the point. Take those Cat 5 braided cables. Did you know that woven wires close together have high capacitance? High capacitance can affect an amps frequency response. That will definitely change the sound. Output impedance also comes into play here with the three words I mentioned earlier. High resistance in cables can change the damping factor of an amp, affecting its ability to control a woofer. Some might like the warmer sound, while others prefer sharper bass.

    Many folks here try different gear and cables to arrive at or get a specific sound. I say good for them if that floats their boat. If you are just plug and play, by all means buy a good cable that won't turn green and will handle the load through it. However, your absolutes do not apply to everyone.
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  • blakeh
    blakeh Posts: 491
    edited March 2009
    I'm confused about where all these cables are that you guys keep talking about changing. My system must be better because it doesn't use "interconnects" of any type:

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    There are two 38 gauge wires that go to the speakers, but everything else is already connected together.

    ;)

    P.S. Would MIT Shotguns help the sound any?
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  • bobt
    bobt Posts: 280
    edited March 2009
    LMAO... F1...im not here to get anybody upset.......I just know how there cables are made.....and price is just NOT what i think they should be.
    If somebody likes jo blow wires..and workes for them..fine...

    I just wanted to say, you can get better for cheaper.....
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2009
    Its gotta be Candylicker35 or whatever his name was!
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited March 2009
    Maybe Ratboy?
    bobt wrote: »
    Well F1...since you have never delt with a cable company..nor understands who really makes the basic cable to begin with....or delt with a million dollor contract......and has no clue as to how this stuff is made...gee....yes i guess you must be right.
    Now that right there is just funny. It's so stupid, it's funny. No, actually it's just sad.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited March 2009
    Neil and Bob.....

    One of the best things i learned here is that IC's , And speaker Cables make a world of difference in how i listen to music. I never heard of Audioquest or MIT's till i joined this place, now both my systems are running them. Gave all my monster crap to a guy at work.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    Well F1...since you have never delt with a cable company..nor understands who really makes the basic cable to begin with....or delt with a million dollor contract......and has no clue as to how this stuff is made...gee....yes i guess you must be right.

    Ok...I've read this post like 5 times now...What?

    Could you maybe break that one down and clarify it a little bit?...lol

    Apparently Jesse has never dealt with cable companies? Or for that matter...even know anything about cables to begin with? Interesting...

    What does this "million dollar contract" have to do with anything. Is this even related to the topic at hand?

    I guess you must be right bobt. I've accepted it. I will be throwing all of my cabling out tomorrow and re-wiring my system with old coat hangers out of my closet. It should provide me with superb sound quality. Every bit as good as any of the 2000 dollar MIT's or Audioquest's out there.

    Do you think I should at least wrap the coat hangers with some heat shrink? Is insulation over rated too?;)
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  • Jeb85
    Jeb85 Posts: 39
    edited March 2009
    Just out of curiousity has there been any graphs that show how the frequencies compare from a good 12gauge wire vs a MIT Shotgun (or equivalent) of equal gauge of wire?
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  • Ender
    Ender Posts: 603
    edited March 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=43

    http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=91

    Ya know, I've never been one to trust performance reports from biased sources... (Just being the scientific Devil's Advocate :D )
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