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  • Posts: 51,438
    edited March 2009
    Poo nuggets.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • Posts: 1,013
    edited March 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Boston Creme sounds good.

    Just bought one from the Dutch bakery for my wife's b-day. Come on over!
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  • Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    800!

    That Boston Creme Pie sounds nice....;)
  • Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
    Well my buddy Jerry has an EMO 5 channel amp. He is using 2 channels to drive a pair of tweeters only. The tweeters are 4ohms with an RE of 2.9 The EMO goes into protection driving them to high volumes. My Adcom's never skipped a beat. I can't recommend Emo's 5 channel amps for 4ohm speakers if they can't handle driving a pair of tweeters properly:( LSI owners should consider used Adcom or Parasound for amps.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • Posts: 1,219
    edited March 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Well my buddy Jerry has an EMO 5 channel amp. He is using 2 channels to drive a pair of tweeters only. The tweeters are 4ohms with an RE of 2.9 The EMO goes into protection driving them to high volumes. My Adcom's never skipped a beat. I can't recommend Emo's 5 channel amps for 4ohm speakers if they can't handle driving a pair of tweeters properly:( LSI owners should consider used Adcom or Parasound for amps.

    That sucks!
    But in all honesty I can't say i'm surprised. My XPA-5 was faulty out of the box so I sent it back.
    And there has been a rash of people with issues over on the Emotiva Lounge.
  • Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    That is what the Emotiva story is all about. They are so similar to Polk Audio, which we all love, cause that's why we are here.

    Blasphemy.
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  • Posts: 25,340
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Today, I would discount the SDA success of Polk's past. It was great for history and advertising, but is not relevent today just as the Super Bowls won with Joe Montana are not relevent to the SF 49ers of today. The past was the past. Just look at GM and Ford.

    What a load of crap! Have you ever even heard SDA's?
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Posts: 2,315
    edited March 2009
    SDA's are relevant to Polk success today, they are still using SDA technology in todays current line-up.
  • Posts: 15,969
    edited March 2009
    EMO has decent sound with easy to drive speakers. They don't have balls to the wall power for better gear.
    Ben
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • Posts: 2,315
    edited March 2009
    You need to go back and look at the "Products" tab in the upper left hand corner. There is a lot more than just the Soundbar, keep looking...

    :)
  • Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote:
    Did you completely read the thread?
    SDA's are not relevent to Polk's success today!
    They are part of Polk Audio's history.
    Now if Polk brings them back with some modernization, well that is a different story, but they haven't yet.
    What has Polk done recently? Any better than Emotiva?
    Please read the thread before responding.

    :rolleyes:

    SDA is part of the lineage of Polk and many purchase Polk products because of that past. SDA technology exists today in the excellent surroundbar (to answer what has Polk done lately). Polk also has the new line of DSW microPro subs, the LCi IP in-walls as well as many inovations in their latest lineup of speakers. EMO has NOTHING on Polk technology and inovation.
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  • Posts: 2,315
    edited March 2009
    Ok, that's all that matters... you are happy with it. Moreover, I really don't know why you are spouting of garbage about Polk, there is really no comparison to each other. Really bad analogy...

    Now can we go back to eating PIE now?:)
  • Posts: 21,136
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Did you completely read the thread?
    SDA's are not relevent to Polk's success today!

    I did! You don't know what you are talking about.

    SDA technology is used in many of their new products it's that good.


    From what I see Emu needs more pie.
  • Posts: 25,340
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    I disagree. Most gurus on this forum that I've read would agree that the Polk LSi series is hard to drive. You always hear the minimum 200wpc @ 8 ohm amp rating/300 wpc @ 4 ohm rating amplifier requirement being used.
    I know that my Emotiva's drive my Polk LSi's very well. Beautiful sound is what I hear. I've read numerous posts from those who successfully power their LSi's with Emotiva.
    This lead me to purchase more LSi's and more Emotiva's to drive them in other rooms. They make a nice combination.

    I drove a pair of LSi 15's with a 30wpc amp to levels beyond what most would consider too loud. No problem! Emo is entry level HT gear with no past to draw from. I'd bet in about 2-3 years (or sooner if the quality control issues continue) Emo will be a has been........ they aren't even that innovative.

    IMO, you could do lot better than EMO......I was disappointed with what I heard and I was really expecting them to sound a lot better based on all people like you and your satisfaction with them. I was very underwhelmed. I'd say at this point they compare more favorably with BOSE, in the category of over promise, under deliver.

    Polk has always been an innovative company whose products under promise and over deliver. Most Polk products actually exceed many other brands and models many times for a whole lot less. Now that's something you can be very successful at...........and they have been.

    H9

    P.s. I'll also add the 30wpc amps sounded better by a wide margin in both dynamics, clarity, depth, width, tone, decay and naturalness compared to the 400wpc Emo.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Posts: 51,438
    edited March 2009
    Someone compared BOSE to Emotiva.That is garbage.

    You're right, garbage.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    I stood corrected in a previous post, but recently the SDA technology only appears in their Surroundbars as was reported in the Polk white paper and discussed on here.

    Actually, the passive radiator technology that Polk became very familiar with, through the various SDA's produced over the years, is implemented now as well. Both the DSW MicroPro series subs, and the VM20 and VM30 loudspeakers use passive radiators. If they hadn't had so much success with the PR's in the SDA's and vintage Monitor Series, they likely wouldn't be using them still.


    Polk can't, and shouldn't, be compared to Emotiva. Polk, to some extent, revolutionized loudspeaker design through numerous unique designs and innovations. The SDA's and vintage Monitor series were really what put them on the map. They have many dedicated customers now, simply because of the SDA's and Monitors. To say that the SDA's have nothing to do with their current success doesn't even make sense. It has a very big part in their success.

    What innovations has Emotiva made to the world of amplifier design? None. They're simply taking a tried and true method of building SS amps, using cheapo components and selling them at bargain basement prices. It's good to see an American company succeeding right now, especially with the economy the way it is. Will they still be as successful in 2-3 years? I doubt it. Time will tell though. They're just the current flavor of the week. I've still never heard one personally, and I'm sure they are great for filling certain needs, namely HT. I don't think there's ever going to be en Emo in my living room though. There certainly won't ever be one in my 2 ch. rig though.


    We're getting to far off topic here though...any else for PIE?
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  • Posts: 13,284
    edited March 2009
    Don't mean to interrupt this thread...no offense to Hyundai or the German car makers. But I seem to remember that one of those German companies has been in the news with 'reliability issues'?

    Am I wrong? As there have been a few people who've also mentioned reliability problems with Emotiva perhaps the German/Emotiva comparison is more appropriate. I am jesting...but not about the problems some high-end cars seem to have?

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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  • Posts: 25,340
    edited March 2009
    cnh wrote: »
    Don't mean to interrupt this thread...no offense to Hyundai or the German car makers. But I seem to remember that one of those German companies has been in the news with 'reliability issues'?

    Am I wrong? As there have been a few people who've also mentioned reliability problems with Emotiva perhaps the German/Emotiva comparison is more appropriate. I am jesting...but not about the problems some high-end cars seem to have?

    cnh

    atta boy......we'll certainly make it to 1K now that you've dissed German car reliability. :p.

    I decided I want Muffins instead of PIE
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Posts: 13,284
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Are you saying Polk Audio invented the speaker passive radiator technology or used it as so many other speaker manufacturers have?

    Hear's another question as well. JBL introduced a titanium dome tweeter some time in the 80s on its studio Monitors? Polk had been developing a vapor metal deposit technique on its tweeters around that same time? JBL eventually switched to a vapor deposit laminate technology for its lower end consumer line after it developed the pure titanium dome? Did JBL borrow Polk ideas for that titanium lamintate tweeter?

    As far as JBL tweeters go (at that time the pure titanium diaphragm was considered the superior design). I don't really know where I'm going here except to ask those who know...since there seems to be an invention of technology issue being debated here.

    I'm also pretty sure that passive diaphragm tech. is not a Polk invention....but maybe someone can weigh in here who really 'knows' this history?

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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  • Posts: 1,519
    edited March 2009
    Curt, passive radiators are not a Polk innovation. JBL was the first to commercially produce PR speakers. Even they, did not create the concept.

    http://www.audioheritage.org/html/people/may.htm
  • Posts: 1,660
    edited March 2009
    Oooohhh..... I like Muffins
    HT
    RTi70 mains
    CSi30 center
    RTi28 Rears
    Velodyne CHT-12
    H/K AVR-247
    ADCOM GFA-7000
    Samsung PN58B860
    Playstation 3

    2-Channel
    Polk Audio LSi15's
    Rotel RCD-1072
    Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
    ADCOM GFA-555
    Signal Cable Analog II IC's
    Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables
  • Posts: 1,660
    edited March 2009
    I have created muffins, but not commercially
    HT
    RTi70 mains
    CSi30 center
    RTi28 Rears
    Velodyne CHT-12
    H/K AVR-247
    ADCOM GFA-7000
    Samsung PN58B860
    Playstation 3

    2-Channel
    Polk Audio LSi15's
    Rotel RCD-1072
    Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
    ADCOM GFA-555
    Signal Cable Analog II IC's
    Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables
  • Posts: 13,284
    edited March 2009
    How about donuts? Because muffins can have bran and be good for you--sometimes?

    cnh
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

    Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
    [sig. changed on a monthly basis as I rotate in and out of my stash]
  • Posts: 1,660
    edited March 2009
    Oh yea... and Polk just developed a proprietary technology for their subwoofers that stops distortion before it starts and allows you to run the sub with it turned up to 11. That seems like a notable recent innovation.
    HT
    RTi70 mains
    CSi30 center
    RTi28 Rears
    Velodyne CHT-12
    H/K AVR-247
    ADCOM GFA-7000
    Samsung PN58B860
    Playstation 3

    2-Channel
    Polk Audio LSi15's
    Rotel RCD-1072
    Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
    ADCOM GFA-555
    Signal Cable Analog II IC's
    Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables
  • Posts: 1,660
    edited March 2009
    cnh wrote: »
    How about donuts? Because muffins can have bran and be good for you--sometimes?

    cnh

    I like that muffins keep me regular...
    HT
    RTi70 mains
    CSi30 center
    RTi28 Rears
    Velodyne CHT-12
    H/K AVR-247
    ADCOM GFA-7000
    Samsung PN58B860
    Playstation 3

    2-Channel
    Polk Audio LSi15's
    Rotel RCD-1072
    Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
    ADCOM GFA-555
    Signal Cable Analog II IC's
    Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables
  • Posts: 11,154
    edited March 2009
    a_mattison wrote: »
    Oooohhh..... I like Muffins

    Mmmmmm.....Lemon poppy seed muffins...I need me one of those.

    Only thing is I still have some cheesecake left...It'll keep.

    Just an update....I checked with EMO today. They confirmed that I have not placed an order.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • Posts: 17,251
    edited March 2009
    I thought I was going to get a history lesson on Emotiva but Instead I sat here and read a bunch of **** bitchin.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • Posts: 25,340
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    What haven't you dissed?

    You seem to be about as clueless as they come. Oh well some get it, some don't.

    I have green velvet(like red velvet cake only green) Muffins with cream cheese frosting here in honor of St. Pat's day. A girl at work made them for me and I'm a be havin'g one real soon.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
  • Posts: 1,660
    edited March 2009
    Kex wrote: »
    Well, heck! My Emotiva volume knob went from 0 to 80, and I listened plenty at 60, whereas my NAD volume knob only goes from -71 to +14, and I mostly listen at 0 or below. Now there's real power for you! I don't understand why this isn't in more Emotiva descriptions of their gear: "Our stuff will take you from 0 to 60 in no time, and beyond if you're in the mood. Others just give up before they even get started".

    This is getting ridiculous, however, so I'm off to have some Coffee and Cake :D!

    Touchy...touchy... My point was innovation.... not volume... in referrence to the comment that Polk hasn't innovated since SDA's. The new MicroPro subs are a significant innovation for Polk.

    Was the "Our amps go to 11" Spinal Tap referrence lost?

    We're having muffins now.. the cake is gone.
    HT
    RTi70 mains
    CSi30 center
    RTi28 Rears
    Velodyne CHT-12
    H/K AVR-247
    ADCOM GFA-7000
    Samsung PN58B860
    Playstation 3

    2-Channel
    Polk Audio LSi15's
    Rotel RCD-1072
    Nakamichi CA-5 Pre
    ADCOM GFA-555
    Signal Cable Analog II IC's
    Signal Ultra Bi-Wire Speaker Cables
  • Posts: 6,745
    edited March 2009
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Are you saying Polk Audio invented the speaker passive radiator technology or used it as so many other speaker manufacturers have?
    Curt, passive radiators are not a Polk innovation. JBL was the first to commercially produce PR speakers. Even they, did not create the concept.

    http://www.audioheritage.org/html/people/may.htm

    I never said that they invented passive radiator technology, simply that they used the technology and were very successful using it in the SDA's and Monitors. They became very experienced with the PR technology through it's very wide implementation in the SDA's and Monitors.

    If it weren't for their great success with the PR technology in the past, they likely wouldn't be using it at all in their MicroPro's or VM's. It was their vast experience with PR's in the past, with the SDA's and Monitors, that allowed them to use it so efficiently in the MP's and VM's.



    In my second comments in that post, about Polks innovations, I wasn't referring to the PR's, but rather SDA technology as a whole.
    The nirvana inducer-
    APC H10 Power Conditioner
    Marantz UD5005 universal player
    Parasound Halo P5 preamp
    Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
    PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
    Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's

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