Stupid neighbor wants to shoot me.

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited August 2008
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    Can't argue with that. Which is yet another reason why smart, responsible people choose to carry.

    Yep stupid people that carry scare me. Courses should be mandatory including time on a range before you can legally own.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    bobman1235 wrote:
    Can't argue with that. Which is yet another reason why smart, responsible people choose to carry.

    No...you miss my point. These guys aren't "bad" guys...just arrogant, macho and stupid. Always talking big about how they will "take care of the situation" if they have to because they are "carrying". I can just see one of them pulling out his gun and firing and ending up doing more damage to innocent people than the "threat" would ever do. They scare me because they think they can be the police, the marines and rambo because they have a gun.
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  • BIZILL
    BIZILL Posts: 5,432
    edited August 2008
    can't stand reading past the first page and 1/4 of this thread. idiots are those who critisize pulling the gun to protect this dude's family. i'd have done the same. i would also have LOVED to whoop **** of that big-talkin' 23 year old. but that only lands you in the legal system's hands.

    OP, you done well. even the sheriff neighbor fella who's seen it all commended you. everyone else with the WRONG opinion, stfu, naive-**** persons, you.

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    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited August 2008
    shack wrote: »
    No...you miss my point. These guys aren't "bad" guys...just arrogant, macho and stupid. Always talking big about how they will "take care of the situation" if they have to because they are "carrying".
    How long have they been carrying? Have they ever taken care of any situations yet or taken them out just to be a fool? I have a few friends who carry who like to talk the same garbage, but that's all it is, talk.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited August 2008
    shack wrote: »
    No...you miss my point. These guys aren't "bad" guys...just arrogant, macho and stupid. Always talking big about how they will "take care of the situation" if they have to because they are "carrying". I can just see one of them pulling out his gun and firing and ending up doing more damage to innocent people than the "threat" would ever do. They scare me because they think they can be the police, the marines and rambo because they have a gun.

    the world is never short of chest thumping tommy tuffnuts, gun or no gun. talking **** was invented WAAAAAY before the gun

    funny thing is, they would be the first to freeze up and run like a schoolgirl (again, gun or no gun) in the face of real danger. I feel your concern, but I wouldnt lose as much sleep over it ;)
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited August 2008
    BIZILL wrote: »
    can't stand reading past the first page and 1/4 of this thread. idiots are those who critisize pulling the gun to protect this dude's family. i'd have done the same. i would also have LOVED to whoop **** of that big-talkin' 23 year old. but that only lands you in the legal system's hands.

    OP, you done well. even the sheriff neighbor fella who's seen it all commended you. everyone else with the WRONG opinion, stfu, naive-**** persons, you.




    come on Billsy, gotta respect other opinions here.........nutty as they be :D rotflmao
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    Face wrote:
    How long have they been carrying? Have they ever taken care of any situations yet or taken them out just to be a fool? I have a few friends who carry who like to talk the same garbage, but that's all it is, talk.

    They love to show IT. BUT...if it ever came down to it they would probably pull a Barney Fife and shoot themselves pulling it out.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    ohskigod wrote:
    I feel your concern, but I wouldnt lose as much sleep over it ;)

    Easy for you to say. Take a .38 slug in the back like I did from a gun waiving fool and you might think a little differently.
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  • BIZILL
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    edited August 2008
    ohskigod wrote: »
    come on Billsy, gotta TOLERATE other opinions here.........nutty as they be :D rotflmao

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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
    edited August 2008
    Doesn't sound like the OP was WAVING his gun around. He just took it out of the holster. That's better than having it holstered and seeing one of his precious kids being mauled or worse, before he could react. If a properly trained and licensed person carries his weapon, while walking with his family, feels the need to pull said weapon from it's holster to protect his family and himself, I have ZERO issue with that. Doesn't sound like he's some yahoo, redneck brandishing a gun for no reason.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,536
    edited August 2008
    shack wrote: »
    Easy for you to say. Take a .38 slug in the back like I did from a gun waiving fool and you might think a little differently.

    Who shot you Shack-daddy? Tell me man, I'll bust a cap in his a.....oh sorry. You know I would though, if you wanted me to, right? :D
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  • TouchOfEvil
    TouchOfEvil Posts: 967
    edited August 2008
    If pulling the gun in order to be ready to protect yourself/faimly is needed so be it.
    Not to mention it sounds like the owner of the dog didn't care about his dog possible attacking these people until he pulled a weapon then got his dog.
    If a weapon needs to be pulled for someone to get their dog then something is wrong with them.
    The OP did what he felt was needed and it solved the problem of the owner not getting off his rearend to control his animal. End result noone was hurt and the dog is still alive.....for now.
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  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited August 2008
    What a letdown. I thought Shack was faster than a speeding bullet.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,806
    edited August 2008
    Jeff Beaird wrote: »
    What's there not to understand..? Thats my question to all of you who said they carry a gun and would have shot the dog. If the dog was going to attack, he would have, he was simply defending his turf like you were protecting your family. I'm no Cesar Milan by no means! I've raised 2 rotties myself and they are a great breed of dog with a very bad rap.99% of it is the owners fault.
    If that dog was attacking you he would have torn your arm off while you pissed your pants and cried for your Mommy, an attacking dog does not run up to you and stop and continue barking.
    Thats not a dog attack! Hell, go shoot the 23 yr old owner if you need to shoot something.

    He wasn't talking to YOU, doofus! He was talking to Mr. Beard! Geez! What, do you think the world revolves around YOU or something? Some nerve! :p
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    steveinaz wrote:
    Who shot you Shack-daddy? Tell me man, I'll bust a cap in his a.....oh sorry. You know I would though, if you wanted me to, right? :D

    A long story a long time ago...and it was my best friend...at the time.

    George Grand wrote:
    What a letdown. I thought Shack was faster than a speeding bullet.

    You can't outrun what you don't see coming...
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  • candyliquor35m
    candyliquor35m Posts: 2,267
    edited August 2008
    George Grand wrote: »
    Somebody may actually have made light of it somewhere in this thread, but it is absolutely amazing to me how badly we do need to be protected from each other in this country. People really think they are free to behave any way they please. A lot of them.

    especially on the internet :D
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited August 2008
    If I have to shoot a dog to save someone (doesn't have to be my relative) from being bitten by the dog, I am going to shoot the dog. I am not animal hater but animal can not compare to human.
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  • ohskigod
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    edited August 2008
    shack wrote: »
    Easy for you to say. Take a .38 slug in the back like I did from a gun waiving fool and you might think a little differently.

    DOH!

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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,726
    edited August 2008
    shack wrote: »
    No...you miss my point. These guys aren't "bad" guys...just arrogant, macho and stupid. Always talking big about how they will "take care of the situation" if they have to because they are "carrying". I can just see one of them pulling out his gun and firing and ending up doing more damage to innocent people than the "threat" would ever do. They scare me because they think they can be the police, the marines and rambo because they have a gun.
    Generalizing people who own a gun into that category probably isn't fair. I know several people who carry and they're some of the most responsible, mature people I know. They've also had lots of training, so I doubt in a situation they'd just start popping off rounds into a group of innocent bystanders or shoot themselves in the foot....
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited August 2008
    AsSiMiLaTeD wrote:
    Generalizing people who own a gun into that category probably isn't fair. I know several people who carry and they're some of the most responsible, mature people I know. They've also had lots of training, so I doubt in a situation they'd just start popping off rounds into a group of innocent bystanders or shoot themselves in the foot....

    I was not generalizing. This was a specific comment about specific people I KNOW.
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  • JohnLocke88
    JohnLocke88 Posts: 1,150
    edited August 2008
    Hey OP, not sure what the Texas 'bite' laws are, but in california, certain breeds are considered "1st offender" breeds (rottys included). One bite in CA, = instant putting the dog down. Something to look into if you don't want to have to shoot the dog, or the dickhead that owns it.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,987
    edited August 2008
    F that! One bite to the neck of the smallest child could mean that the child goes down too. There's no telling who or where it will attack and it may only be a matter of seconds between being able to see your child graduate from college or burying the young soul within the next couple of days.
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  • obieone
    obieone Posts: 5,077
    edited August 2008
    Not Ceasar Milan, but, just a suggestion. Try pepper spray if the dog comes ANYWHERE close to you or your family. The dog may associate a bad experience with YOUR scent, and stay clear in the future. That's NOT to say you leave the gun @ home!
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  • Demiurge
    Demiurge Posts: 10,874
    edited August 2008
    CCW requires extensive training in most states as far as I am aware and it's not like drivers ed. I obviously haven't studied the CCW laws in every state, but i'd be hard pressed to believe that there are states out there that just hand out CCW permits to anyone who wants one no questions asked. Anyone from a CCW state out there have the laws on training requirements to obtain one?

    It's pretty irrational to be worried about your average Joe out there with a firearm, especially since the criminal element all has them and they mostly think shooting sideways is the right way to fire a handgun.

    The fact is that even in states where CCW legislation is in place a very small percentage of the population actually carries.
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  • danger boy
    danger boy Posts: 15,722
    edited August 2008
    if you own a dog be it an aggressive one or not.. be a responsible owner and train it well. No matter what breed it is. I've said it a bazillion times.. if your dog bites people, get a dog muzzle and use it.. it DOES NOT HURT THE DOG, and is the responsible thing to do.

    Here where I live.. if a dog bites or mauls some one. it's put down. sad but true. This city has very little tolerance for dogs that bite humans. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've heard and seen a dog chew up a little kid. Biting their ears off.. bites and scars on their faces, hands, arms, legs. etc. If a dog is on a leash or has a muzzle on, they can't bite.
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited August 2008
    Well apparently the police now think its fine to shoot dogs running AWAY from them http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26079096/?GT1=43001 as they did to one of the 2 black labs of the Maryland mayor yesterday.

    " 'Dogs were our children'
    Calvo insisted the couple's two black Labradors were gentle creatures and said police apparently killed them "for sport," gunning down one of them as it was running away. "

    " The mayor, who was changing his clothes when police burst in, also complained that he was handcuffed in his boxer shorts for about two hours along with his mother-in-law, and said the officers didn't believe him when he told them he was the mayor. No charges were brought against Calvo or his wife, who came home in the middle of the raid.

    Prince George's County Police Chief Melvin High said Wednesday that Calvo and his family were "most likely ... innocent victims," but he would not rule out their involvement, and he defended the way the raid was conducted. He and other officials did not apologize for killing the dogs, saying the officers felt threatened. "



    So shooting a dog thats actually attacking you should be just fine.

    My dogs are my children as well.....and I also have a couple of friends and a few family members on the force as well and respect the police very much, but the SOB's that shot my dog as it was running away wouldnt be long for this world.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited August 2008
    yeah, I read that.

    no knock warrant for a box of weed? I understand for a full blown meth lab but for weed? CMON!!!!. Apparently the Mayor's wife was sent a box of weed and somehow the Police knew about it?

    not to mention the Police were not even wearing unmarked tacticle gear, but were wearing plain street clothes with masks. Ridiculous!

    something dont smell right.

    apparently the Prince george's County force has had issues in the past with the way they do there raids.

    that Mayor that got raided asked for a federal investigation, and I hope they get it. I respect cops and usually fall on there side given how hard there job is, but in this case I do not.

    Those loons have to be taken down a notch, ASAP.
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  • shawn474
    shawn474 Posts: 3,047
    edited August 2008
    Not to nitpick, but from the forum rules:
    3) Pornography and violent images or discussions are not allowed on this forum. This includes posts about weapons or explosives.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,987
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. The OP was asking a question that concerned his children and wife. Please don't become another "Rat Boy". Just my NSHO.

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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited August 2008
    danger boy wrote: »
    if you own a dog be it an aggressive one or not.. be a responsible owner and train it well. No matter what breed it is. I've said it a bazillion times.. if your dog bites people, get a dog muzzle and use it.. it DOES NOT HURT THE DOG, and is the responsible thing to do.

    Here where I live.. if a dog bites or mauls some one. it's put down. sad but true. This city has very little tolerance for dogs that bite humans. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've heard and seen a dog chew up a little kid. Biting their ears off.. bites and scars on their faces, hands, arms, legs. etc. If a dog is on a leash or has a muzzle on, they can't bite.

    I like the rule. Death penalty will apply to a dog that bites or mauls some one.
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