Stupid neighbor wants to shoot me.

gidrah

Don't mess with Texas!

ben62670

danger boy wrote: »

sorry that happen to you.. and in front of your wife and kids....

call your local humane society and tell them the dog owner does not use a leash when walking his dog... and you are concerned his unleashed dog will bite or maul your kids.

I can sympathize, here where I live is no different.. I swear there are more aggressive dogs like pit bulls and Rott's here than any other place on earth. Nearly every other house here has either a pitbull or rotty.

Try Miami,and FT Lauderdale. The owners tended to be less intelligent than their canine companions.

exalted512

bobman1235 wrote: »

Uh, yeah.

From a 2006 article :



Safe or not, people in your state like to pack more than anywhere else.

friggin classic!
-Cody

ben62670

Thats probably why is relatively safe. Who wants to bust in a house where most are armed. Thats the way it was where I grew up.

tcrossma

JohnLocke88 wrote: »

You are not fit to have children; If you have done so already, please give them up to adoption, so a more fitting parental figure can be found. If you have not had children yet, please refrain from doing so. Thank you. Signed, the rest of the world.

The fact that you would hold the act of preparing to defend one's family against someone, is beyond me.

There's no need for personal insults here. I disagree with how he handled it but kept my opinions civil. Please try to do the same.

I have children and I have dogs. The safety of my children is the most important thing to me. I also don't think that using a gun is the way to protect oneself or ones family -- that's my opinion. Person shoots dog, pothead shoots the family.

This was a neighbor's dog -- probably not the first time they've met. It sounds to me like he pulled the gun to get the neighbor off his **** to come get the dog. Waving a gun around is not my idea of the correct way to go about any situation.

But I agree with what others have posted -- different parts of the country and different worlds. Up here if someone pulled a gun on a dog that was barking at him he'd be explaining himself to the police. As I said I wasn't there, nor do I really care, I guess I'm just glad I don't live there.

shack

A man with a .45 in his waistband on a playground disturbs me.

Matt34

tcrossma wrote: »

But I agree with what others have posted -- different parts of the country and different worlds. Up here if someone pulled a gun on a dog that was barking at him he'd be explaining himself to the police. As I said I wasn't there, nor do I really care, I guess I'm just glad I don't live there.

The dog charged him and his family, that aggression alone is enough reason to pull his firearm and shoot the animal. I also exercise my constitutional rights as a gun owner and a CCW carrier for the past 6 years and I've never had to pull it out of it's holster, unlike what you may want to believe, we're not a bunch of crazy gun totting sociopaths.:rolleyes: I would bet you that none of my neighbors know I carry a firearm besides the couple that I'm friends with.
Yes you better thoroughly understand the laws that pertain to carrying a concealed weapon but in this case, according to self defense laws here in Arizona (don't know exactly what Texas law states) it would have been a justifiable shooting in self defense.

I'm a K9 handler for the Army and I know first hand what a 90-100lb dog can do to a grown man, it's not something I would want to chance in a physical altercation, especially with my family with me.

demaples

In my opinion he handled it appropriately. I would have done exectly the same if I carried a gun which I plan on getting a permit. It's not the dogs fault, it's the idiot 23 year old punks fault for not keeping his dog under control. I'd use the law to smartin the kid up.

Ricardo

Yawn...

ben62670

Der ah ergrassive dog can kills kids. someun says er da don't pertect yur fameraluy from dog. Cop evensay shoot dog err ah da watt is da confussion. Not litel cutesy puppi. Nost states wood sah plug dog. it night time no day. exocise writes

ben62670

Come on dude in all seriousness if a big aggressive dog came at your family you wouldn't of handled it the same. Having two little girls that story just gave me the goose bumps.

audiobliss

ben62670 wrote: »

This is kinda scary.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3db_1203899498
Rotties are the hardest biters. My friend that had them would not let me out of my room with the kids. Those dogs were the sweetest dogs. Really. But he was dead serious about them. Rotties are very dangerous around kids if they have not been raised with kids. Even rotties that have been raised with kids can turn out of the blue with no signs at all. I am not trying to put a scare on ya, but in seconds they can kill. No joke.

Holy crap. The rotty had a LOT stronger bite. Another difference I noticed was, the pitbull and the German Shepherd were all riled up for the launch, barking and snarling. The rotty was just standing there, poised to launch, making no sounds the whole time.

Interesting.

ben62670

A lot of my friends had Rotties. I have seen what they can do. One friends used to pop basket balls. Another had one that would chew through firewood. Another friend had pits. One chewed through a sheet rock wall because the female was locked in the garage when she was in heat. The same dog killed a big raccoon when he was walking his dog at night. The thing broke loose grabbed it by the head, shook it a couple times, and it was dead. You don not have much time to react. I don not trust aggressive dogs around kids.

ohskigod

tcrossma wrote: »

I'll back off and call the police, not shoot it.

.

you can outrun a dog (if he chose to attack) with a family in tow?

damn brotha, you got skills :rolleyes:


150 lb rottweiler, unrestrained, being a very real threat to not only the posted, but his family.....he pulled his gun out the holster to be at a more heitened level of response if need be.......seems perfectly reasonable to me.

call me kooky, but I dont worry about social mores vis a vis pulling my gun upsetting neighbors if my family is in real and genuine danger. I dont own or carry a gun, but if I was in this guys situation....I would have wished to have one. If I was alone I would have probably pulled it just to be ready, if I had my whole family with me.....i might have plugged him depending on how close he was (and I love dogs)



oh, Candy.....Muzzle? you know your going to just give a 150 lb rotty the sniffles before before he chews on your face right?, just sayin...LOL

ohskigod

Dennis Gardner wrote: »

I'm not trolling or trying to start a fight, since guntalk is illegal on this forum, but anytime a gunowner pulls a gun, you stand a chance of facing consequences, legally. If he is the pothead you claim, that most likely stopped him from calling the cops before you did, or you might be the one with charges.

you bring a valid point, something any gun owner should know......I have a feeling the OP knew it and felt compelled out of safety to not care.

if it were me and the pothead called the cops, I'd be thrilled since it would have just saved me minutes on my own cell phone

valid point aside, I have a sneaky suspision there not many Prosecutors and or Juries that would have brought charges and/or convicted the OP for pulling his piece given the threat.........sure as **** not in Texas...LOL. more than justified with a strong argument for it being relativly restrained


p.s., you point is valid for any potential use of what can be consrtued as dealy force, not limited to guns

tcrossma

ohskigod wrote: »

damn brotha, you got skills :rolleyes:

I guess it just depends on how you take the story. And as I said, I wasn't there. The way I read it, the dog is keeping its distance (albeit too closely). The neighbor 40 yards away. The neighbor says some things, the guy says some things, and eventually the neighbor walks over to the dog (from 40 yards away) all while the dog is barking menacingly.

Taking out the gun and pointing it at the dog did not stop the dog from advancing -- dogs don't understand that threat. To me it sounded like the dog was being a bully, and yes, ideally not the situation I'd want to be in. But it didn't to me like the dog was mounting an attack.

But whatever, seemed a little much for me but I'm certainly outnumbered in my opinion - and I can live with that. I'm just glad nobody got hurt.

ohskigod

tcrossma wrote: »

I guess it just depends on how you take the story. And as I said, I wasn't there. The way I read it, the dog is keeping its distance (albeit too closely). The neighbor 40 yards away. The neighbor says some things, the guy says some things, and eventually the neighbor walks over to the dog (from 40 yards away) all while the dog is barking menacingly.

Taking out the gun and pointing it at the dog did not stop the dog from advancing -- dogs don't understand that threat. To me it sounded like the dog was being a bully, and yes, ideally not the situation I'd want to be in. But it didn't to me like the dog was mounting an attack.

But whatever, seemed a little much for me but I'm certainly outnumbered in my opinion - and I can live with that. I'm just glad nobody got hurt.

Someone made a point of a dog not being a little person in a fur suit. this is where that case holds water. if you really think you have the skills to react before a dog in that position chooses to, then acts on, his desire to feast on your bone marrow.....then as i sad, sarcastically, you got skills.

again, this is exascerbated by having his wife and small children behind him who dont share these skills you think you posess. maybe its me, Ive been around dog alot and know what they can do.

also, he didnt pull the gun to scare the dog, he pulled the gun to be ready and decreae reaction time if the dog chose to attack. Don't laugh, but that dog at close range can attack so fast he had an even money shot of reaching its target before the OP decided fire.

ttomp

SolidSqual wrote: »

No **** man. I was bit by a small poodle and that went right through my skin. I bet a dog that big could take an arm off.

I probably would have shot it too.

Ttomp, what made you think twice about pulling the trigger? Just the flashlight?

The dog was abot 10 feet away if he'd gotten any closer I'd shoot him , but at that distance I still felt I didn't nee to shoot him , any closer different story, and like I said , I have a dog too, so I don't have anything against dogs , it's the owners fault.

ttomp

JohnLocke88 wrote: »

You are not fit to have children; If you have done so already, please give them up to adoption, so a more fitting parental figure can be found. If you have not had children yet, please refrain from doing so. Thank you. Signed, the rest of the world.

The fact that you would hold the act of preparing to defend one's family against someone, is beyond me.

+1 .... don't have kids

dkg999

The reason for CCW laws is so that nobody knows the person walking with their family across the playground has a weapon with him. And keep in mind that it varies by state, but a concealed weapon is not always a gun. And the bad guys also have no notice that their victim is carrying a concealed weapon which is why CCW reduces crime rates, and that is a statistically proven fact.

I'm CCW licensed in South Dakota and 27 other states. It's kind of a "duh" moment that states with low population density have lower incidences of crime. On the other hand when you do have a problem, where I spend time in SD the response time from the county sheriff is between 30 and 45 minutes. The average time lapse of an assualt or other crime is 2 to 3 minutes from start to full victim.

It sounds like the incident was handled in an appropriate manner. It's easy to second guess these types of incidents. Myself, someone is going to need to have teethmarks before I shoot the dog, and that will be me as I intercept the dog from getting to my family. There are lots of ways to thwart a dog attack (but of course I spent 2 years working at a Veterinary College taking care of wild and stray dogs, so you get a lot of training and experience). Teethmarks equals a free pass from the county prosecutor.

concealer404

We always had German Shepards growing up, and for some reason, they were always freakishly huge. We're talking 140lb German Shepards. Weren't fat, just.... huge.

Sweetest dogs ever. Never bit or snarled at a single person. But VERY protective, and smart.

My buddy and i were walking one down the street one day out in the country, and there were two rotts roaming around, and started to make a beeline towards us. They were snarling, barking, and had their hackles raised. I WISH i had had a gun. The shepard came in front of us between them and tried to head them off. One of the rotts went for the shepard, other went for me, and and grabbed my leg. Got a good chomp in there, got some neat punctures. At this point, my buddy and i were screaming bloody murder, and we hopped a fence and tried to get away.

Skip ahead about 2 minutes..... The shepard KILLED both of them, but had some pretty nasty looking injuries. Took him to the vet, patched him up, he was fine after a month or so.

But.... i wish i had had a gun. This wasn't family i was with, but still.... you usually KNOW when it's appropriate to pull out a weapon to defend. I'm sure the OP wasn't just walking around with a gun in his hand waving it around. He pulled it out in preparation to defend, probably wasn't PLANNING on using it.

joeparaski

ttomp wrote: »

The dog was abot 10 feet away if he'd gotten any closer I'd shoot him , but at that distance I still felt I didn't nee to shoot him , any closer different story, and like I said , I have a dog too, so I don't have anything against dogs , it's the owners fault.

Holy crap!!! Wife, 2 kids, rottweiler barking head off 10 feet away!!! Man you have good control with not pulling the trigger. I had a bad experience as a kid with dogs so I know that "I" would have pulled the trigger.

Joe

vlam

To me, the dog is the victim here. I don't own a dog or a gun but this is an issue between adults. The dog should have been on a leash and that's the responsiblity of the the owner. Let this be a lesson learn of how not to approach this in the future.

It appears that the 23 year old owner feel that he can do whatever he wants.. fine. Get the proper authority to handle the situation.. File a report that the dog is not on a leash when it's out in the neighborhood. Take a video with a camera if you have to. Maybe when the owner sees that you are documenting his actions or lack of, he may back off. You don't need to put him in his place, let him deal with the authority that is experienced in dealing with situation like this.

Heated argument/confrontation and guns, they just don't go well together. I recently encountered a road rage driver on NJ turnpike who thought it was funny to drive in front of me and slam on the brakes. He took off pretty quickly as he realized that I was recording it with my phone.

GaryZ06

I live in a nice neighborhood and yes I carry a gun....reasons..
1. The FBI and the state of Florida say I can.
2. The cop can't be everywhere
ttomp...Remember to call the police and file a report everytime this happens so when something like this happens again and you have to defend you and your family will have paperwork that will back you up.

bdaley6509

tcrossma wrote: »

From reading your post it sounded like the dog was keeping its distance for a good amount of time just harassing you and barking at you while you watched the owner, then yelled at him to come get his dog. It doesn't sound like the dog was mounting an attack, but hey, I wasn't there.

The 23 year old is completely irresponsible for letting his dog off the lease, and I know rott's can be *very* dangerous dogs (I'm not a big fan of them).

But I've never seen someone pull a gun on anyone or anything -- it just doesn't happen in my neck of the woods I guess. If there's a mean-**** dog barking at me (and yes, it's happened many times in my life) I'll back off and call the police, not shoot it.

You just seemed a little cavalier about pulling out a gun in the middle of your nice neighborhood, that's all. For some reason it doesn't sit right with me, sorry.

So when this dog is chewing on your nuts while you are 'backing off' (as you put it), how long do you think it would take for you to wish you had that gun in your hand?

treitz3

OK!,OK!,OK!

Could have done without that analogy, geeez.:eek:

Shizelbs

I have no children, but I have no problem with someone wanting to defend themselves and their family against a potential dog attack.

dkg999

Just remember, when the county prosecutor asks you to explain to the grand jury why you pulled your gun and shot the dog, there's nothing quite so clearly offered as an explanation like dropping your pants and showing them the bite marks on your nuts :eek:

Just make sure the bite marks are from the dog :rolleyes:

McLoki

dkg999 wrote: »

Just remember, when the county prosecutor asks you to explain to the grand jury why you pulled your gun and shot the dog, there's nothing quite so clearly offered as an explanation like dropping your pants and showing them the bite marks on your nuts :eek:

Just make sure the bite marks are from the dog :rolleyes:

I don't care who you are - thats some funny stuff right there......

Good one DKG

AsSiMiLaTeD

funny how this is turning into a gun debate...