Parasound HCA-1206, Velodyne DPS-12, Vintage Stereo system

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  • jtgranby
    jtgranby Posts: 887
    edited August 2008
    appadv wrote: »
    I guess you've never been scammed before then. When I got scammed out of more than $1,000 and the seller didn't respond, I had to fix it myself. Maybe a loose connection inside the amp?

    Never been scammed. My point was look at the pictures of the amp Steve received. He needs a refund period.

    Jim
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2008
    jtgranby wrote: »
    Never been scammed. My point was look at the pictures of the amp Steve received. He needs a refund period.

    Jim

    At least the seller is willing to talk. Most of the time they just disappear off the face of the earth.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,454
    edited August 2008
    You call what the seller posted as working things out??? Remind me never to do business with you. The seller needs to refund the buyer's money in full, immediately!
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    You call what the seller posted as working things out??? Remind me never to do business with you. The seller needs to refund the buyer's money in full, immediately!

    Oops, I meant he was still active and posting on the forum. Most of the time they just take your money and disappear. That's from personal experience.
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited August 2008
    appadv wrote: »
    Oops, I meant he was still active and posting on the forum. Most of the time they just take your money and disappear. That's from personal experience.


    After reading this ...

    " At any rate, I am very tired of repeating myself. I have sent an email claim form to UPS and they "will attempt to reach the buyer within 3 days". I will do what they ask and comply fully with any requests for info. If they will not grant a claim (due to improper handling at the buyer's end), then this issue is over as far as I'm concerned. If they do send me a check, I will happily give it to the buyer (as long as I have the amp, of course). I will not waste any more of anybody's time (mine or yours) on this untill there is news from UPS. "

    ...believe me , he just disappeared.
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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited August 2008
    shadowofnight wrote: »
    After reading this ...

    " At any rate, I am very tired of repeating myself. I have sent an email claim form to UPS and they "will attempt to reach the buyer within 3 days". I will do what they ask and comply fully with any requests for info. If they will not grant a claim (due to improper handling at the buyer's end), then this issue is over as far as I'm concerned. If they do send me a check, I will happily give it to the buyer (as long as I have the amp, of course). I will not waste any more of anybody's time (mine or yours) on this untill there is news from UPS. "

    ...believe me , he just disappeared.

    I guess you're right.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2008
    jtgranby wrote: »
    Plus it really amazes me when people have a recent join date and location in the profile is left empty. Just my rules and this is the USA.

    Jim

    Lesson #2 stop that ;)


    But I don't why I'm going to say this with 5880 post I should have figured it out.... ND13 signature says "Sales number should be 40" or something along that line. I thought that was for Dylan.... DUH. :o

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2008
    You know he's little pissed about an email that I gave out...

    To be honest I don't think any email that is like Yahoo.com is personnel. But I can think of one Don't_Buy_Anything_By_Dylan@yahoo.com

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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited August 2008
    Yahoo and Hotmail accounts are throwaways to begin with, half the forums out there now wont even let you sign up with one of those accounts...they want a REAL email address. :rolleyes:

    He wasnt much worried about his Ebay account ...he threw that out there in his original for sale thread to verify his worthiness.

    Funny thing is, the last book he sold on Ebay was ....

    Criminal Behavior by Anne M. Bartol, Curt R. Bartol ... (#290249160190)

    ....now THAT **** is funny. :D
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2008
    Criminal Behavior by Anne M. Bartol, Curt R. Bartol ... (#290249160190)



    You're right that's FUNNY :)

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  • GEBBY44
    GEBBY44 Posts: 939
    edited August 2008
    This lil f***er needs to pay up. Don't you have his address, Steve? I'm sure there are some Polkies located with driving distance that could "amicably" resolve this if the seller decides to wait for UPS to move their slow asses. If he's near Philly, I know I will.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,454
    edited August 2008
    From that big online auction site, note the attitude.
    small damage to headrest of leather seat,Very Poor packing!!risk it 2 earn more$ samartini ( 273) Jun-02-04 15:31
    Reply by u_r_sheep (Sep-13-05 13:24):
    was packed very well. UPS sucks at shipping things marked fragile. Eat me.
    Product poorly packaged & damaged; CDs skips incessantly; buyer refused return! cmchorne ( 136) Apr-20-04 11:55
    Reply by u_r_sheep (Sep-13-05 13:25):
    Was packed as good as neccisary. Was stated as used and as is worked for me.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    edited August 2008
    Interesting. The seller said that "UPS sucks at shipping things marked fragile", yet he continues to use them to ship fragile items.:rolleyes:
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2008
    I can't even believe I got someone suckered into this ****. Not even my dime, but I feel I been used. To say it was a slight scratch would be hard to find unless you're looking for it what a joke. Then pack in a thin box with just about nothing to protect from bumps in shipping then expert the seller to deal with the shipper. Just unbelievable :(

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,454
    edited August 2008
    then expect the buyer to deal with the shipper

    Fixed it for you.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2008
    Thanks I missed my 10 minute thing... as my mind was working on that sweet seller rating ;)

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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited August 2008
    dylanblada wrote: »
    Another thing, if any of you fine, educated, or at the very least informed people (especially the recipiants) would have seen what computer case that was, you would understand that the box was not for a basic $15, 3 lb. box, it was for a Coolermaster Cosmos, one of the most solidly built computer cases available, which empty, weighs about 40lbs. This box has trasported my complete tower (weighing over 60lbs, and taking up much more space than a typical computer case) without issue.


    That box was designed to carry a 37.2 pound EMPTY tower case WITH proper inserts shaped to the cosmos to distribute the load evenly to the inside of the box....THATS why it worked shipping your 60+ pound completed tower.

    That amp was in no way shaped like the pc case ( So you couldnt use coolermasters inserts like you did with the loaded tower ) ....so you stuffed some crappy bubble wrap and peanuts in there for a new load that weighed basically DOUBLE what the empty case weighed :eek:


    If you look at this picture.....



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    .....you can see what happened to the first person at UPS who used the factory handle for the box. It ripped clean out of their hands and most definitely fell out of their grasp and caused the additional damage to the package.

    Believe me, the " Fine educated " people on this forum know how to package a 73 pound amplifier for shipping.....only an uneducated , non-caring... hoping for MORE damage in shipping... individual would have packaged that amplifier in the manner you did and expect it to get ANYWHERE in one piece.


    Do whats only right....pay the man his full purchase price and YOU go try and collect your 400 from UPS.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,454
    edited August 2008
    Still no refund, eh!?!

    Oh well Dylan, I guarantee you'll remember these words when the day comes.

    Karma is a real ****.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • GEBBY44
    GEBBY44 Posts: 939
    edited August 2008
    F1nut wrote: »
    Still no refund, eh!?!

    Oh well Dylan, I guarantee you'll remember these words when the day comes.

    Karma is a real ****.


    And by that he means when you come home one day and someone broke into your house and didn't take anything but merely punched a pair of scissors through every driver in your speakers, don't be surprised. It's karma man.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,454
    edited August 2008
    While I would have to laugh if something like that happened. I, in no way, support such actions.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • daboyz
    daboyz Posts: 5,207
    edited August 2008
    Dylan, anything you have to say for yourself?
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited August 2008
    Love and peace






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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited August 2008
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Love and peace

    In regards to stolen money/property , Hate and violence work too...usually a lot faster then love and peace.


    I take it nobody's jumped at the chance to grab the subwoofer still for sale....

    Velodyne DPS-12 sub - $350
    This subwoofer is about 1 1/2 years old and is in excellent condition. The top is very glossy and has some very faint scratches.

    ...I mean it only has a FEW scratches and I am sure he has some peanuts and bubble wrap leftover from packing the amp :D
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  • GEBBY44
    GEBBY44 Posts: 939
    edited August 2008
    I'd be willing to bet we've seen the last of him. Too bad he gave his address out. ;)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,163
    edited August 2008
    I am in the business of packing and shipping and there is no way that even close to being packed adequetly. If The UPS store packed it (which I highly doubt) then they are 100% responsible for it and they should refund the money you paid to ship it pl;us what it was insured for so you can make the buyer whole.

    IT"S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THE BUYER WHOLE EVEN IF UPS BLOWS IT OFF.

    You are a complete moron for sending a 70lb amp packed like that. I can tell you being in the mail and parcel industry that perhaps the UPS store doesn't pack as well as many of other 'mom and pop' independents, but I know a 3rd grader down the street who could do a better job. So even if UPS packed it you should have had enough sense to speak up and say that's not good enough, you are a moron.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,163
    edited August 2008
    dylanblada wrote: »
    If they do send me a check, I will happily give it to the buyer (as long as I have the amp, of course). I will not waste any more of anybody's time (mine or yours) on this untill there is news from UPS.

    I'm finished.

    This I don't get :confused:. You were paid $575 plus shipping by the buyer, so if you get reimbursed from UPS for $ 575 you'll send him $575 but he has to send the amp back.

    575 + 575 = 1,150 - 575 = 575. So you get to keep 575 and get the amp back :confused:. That's called fraud.

    I can tell you for a certain fact that if you have no proof the UPS Store packed that item you are SOL, and you owe the buyer some money back..........out of your own pocket. UPS NEVER pays a damage claim unless you can prove (as the shipper) proper packing care was taken.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited August 2008
    Chris my co-work who I got him suck in to this ****. He paid $560 Dylan price was $475, $70 for shipping, then $15 for PayPal. So today he got a reply from UPS and yes the seller would be given the cash back from them if they did it, right ;) But his insurance was only for $400 bucks. I told him tonight to forget that UPS **** if this **** got $400 he wouldn't give back to Chris and he needed to ship it back so he still is out for $230 $160 plus $70 to ship it back right ;)

    Told him to do this with his CC so they could get it back from PayPal then PayPal can get it back from him.

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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited August 2008
    Wont UPS want to see the packaging and the amp ?
    And if they decide to pay out the insurance on the item, doesnt it become their ( UPS ) property ?

    With Fed ex....they delivered my package damaged ( I was the buyer ) ....I contacted the seller...he made the claim with Fedex....Fed ex came back to my house and picked up the damaged package.....the seller was paid his insurance money and shipped me out a new package. He never got the damaged item back...it stayed with Fed ex.

    Just wondering how UPS is gonna work this ????

    And if you dont want the seller getting his 400 ....tell him to send you your money before giving the amp/packaging back to UPS for inspection/claim purposes....because HE is the one going to get the 400 from UPS after they pickup/inspect the item.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited August 2008
    Get a claim going with Pay Pal if you can. Pay pal is quick to back up the buyer.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
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  • shadowofnight
    shadowofnight Posts: 2,735
    edited August 2008
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Get a claim going with Pay Pal if you can. Pay pal is quick to back up the buyer.

    Actually they are pretty good....a friend of mine got an amp off of Ebay and paid with PayPal. The amp came and was dead...it actually looked like it had been submerged under water. My friend negatived the seller...the seller negatived my buddy....ugly emails flew back and forth.

    Then my friend made a claim with Paypal and included all email responses from the seller....I told him he would never see a dime. It took a month but they sided in my friends favor and he got all his money back from Paypal...I was impressed.


    Steve, you could include this thread with your Paypal claim....I bet you would get back every dime ( Or your friend actually ) .
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