Interest Check - Led Zeppelin Karma

honda cber

if i can help anyway, let me know.

also consider mediafire.com or box.net. 100MB per file, and free. dont know if they are better or worse than u send it.

a

heiney9

schwarcw wrote: »

Brad, my 29 year old son is a big collector of live Zepplin shows. He does some concert recording himself as he is an audio engineer. He may even be willing to "clean up a few show for you. I know he does this for a lot of Rush and Nirvana enthusiasts. Count us in.

Carl, that's cool! I'm amazed at some of the technology used on some of the same "old" tapes that gives them new life. The shows I've selected, because this is primarily an audio board, are already the best of the best sound wise. But, I'll keep you and Brad in mind for the future. I have about 375 LZ shows and many of the older tapes could use some work.

H9

heiney9

honda cber wrote: »

if i can help anyway, let me know.

also consider mediafire.com or box.net. 100MB per file, and free. dont know if they are better or worse than u send it.

a

I'll check them out. U Send It with the premier package ($9.99/month) allows 2G files, but I'm having difficulty deciphering exactly how many dl's one can have in a month.

I haven't found any "free" hosting sites that don't severely limit either the space or dl's.

jdwmap

If you host them somewhere, please let me know, I would like to download them. I would love to hear some of the concerts, but most of them happened before i was born. I was really hoping they would come out of the mothballed status after the 1 off concert.

heiney9

I'm keeping track of everyone so far. When this is ready to go (hopefully by the weekend) I'll move the "official" thread to the music and movies section. Obviously I'll post the info here first, as well as a link.

H9

sophie

heiney9 wrote: »

I know torrents are popular for this type of thing, but most on here aren't familiar with how they work and how to set up on their computer. I appreciate the offer and I'll keep it in mind, but I think I will check into hosting these somewhere for dl.

H9

if you wanted to start the torrent i could write up a guide and walk anyone who needs help through it. i can sustain 100+kb/s up when im not on the internet so with a few seeds this could be distributed in a few days.

Payton

petrym

I can seed as well.
Michael

schwarcw

heiney9 wrote: »

Carl, that's cool! I'm amazed at some of the technology used on some of the same "old" tapes that gives them new life. The shows I've selected, because this is primarily an audio board, are already the best of the best sound wise. But, I'll keep you and Brad in mind for the future. I have about 375 LZ shows and many of the older tapes could use some work.

H9

H9,

I send a private message to you.

Carl

daboyz

Beam me up,heiney!!!

engtaz

schwarcw wrote: »

Brad, my 29 year old son is a big collector of live Zepplin shows. He does some concert recording himself as he is an audio engineer. He may even be willing to "clean up a few show for you. I know he does this for a lot of Rush and Nirvana enthusiasts. Count us in.

Some of my favorite bands. Wow

engtaz

george daniel

yep,, come get me mother,, I through,,, count me in,, if I can help,,please let me know.

billbillw

I can help seed the torrent as well if you choose that route.

heiney9

Glad to see some interest. I'm still deciding what the best way to distribute this is. I'll look for more feedback after I do some more research. I am still sorting through a pile of boots that I have acquired off the net in the past 6-8 months (some even older) and while certainly fun, it's tedious. Trying to find the best versions of shows that sort of fill in around the "official" live releases.

Target date is for around Memorial Day weekend to have everything set and ready to go. I'm including artwork and a short information text file with info about each show, etc.

Since 1969 is my absolute favorite year for the band playing live I'm adding another. A very recently unearthed show at the Whiskey A Go Go, Los Angeles from 1-5-69. What a gem this one is, not only is the recording excellent (as good as the best '69 soundboard) it gives a rare glimpse of a very early Zep show. Page plays very straight forward w/o all the effects and fuzz tones he uses a few months later in concert.

This is a release of great historical importance. The title features, for the first time almost 38 years after the event took place, the second oldest tape in the history of the band that has surfaced so far. The recording is pretty good for the era. Actually, it is of quality almost equal to that of a "soundboard" recording. I presume, however, that it is in fact a very good audience recording made in a relatively small venue rather than so-called a "soundboard." Jimmy's guitar, which did not have as much overdriving or fuzz effects as later (as you can hear in "I Can't Quite You") and Bonzo's loud drum tends to overshadow Robert's voice and Johnsey's bass, but all the sounds are clearly discernible. Roberts voice is very powerful.

The set runs for only slightly over 50 minutes. In view of the short set list included in the title, some people may be skeptical to think that EV intentionally held back some portion (e.g., "White Summer/ Black Mountain Side", as one of the still photos featured in the title shows Jimmy playing the Dan Electro) of the entire recording. As I listened to Robert's announcement recorded in the tape, "For Your Love" is clearly the last tune played at the gig. Whether or not EV skipped any tunes before the last one is a question to which I don't have any definitive answer at hand, but I guess that is not the case. It probably features the master tape source in full. For curiosity, a photo of a box of the SONY PR-150 reel tape which seems to be the master tape of the recording is shown on the back cover of the title.

We can certainly feel that the performance of the band captured by the tape is one of its earliest, since most of the tunes are played in more compact manner than they became in later stages. Here, improvisations are confined to minimum levels. However, the brutality of Bonzo's drum playing and the wide range of Robert's voice is incredible. Jimmy also seems to have been doing some experimental guitar works here. The tape is certainly a very welcome find, with which we can experience a compact, primitive but young and powerful Zeppelin. Triple thumbs up for this great release by EV!

Empress Valley have pulled another coup off with the release of this totally unknown and unheard of January 1969 concert, the last night of their stint at the Whisky a Go Go Club in Los Angeles, just before they headed north to San Francisco. This is a release of really major significance and importance to the Led Zeppelin Live catalogue, and the label must be very highly commended for (no doubt about it) paying out a very hand sum of money to acquire this tape.CD labels are all too often critisised for one reason or another, but this recording would probably never have seen the light of day if not for a major label stumping up hard cash for it. And tape it is, as the back cover of the case clearly shows a 5 inch Sony reel to reel tape, which is presumably the source for this release. It is a very tight and compact set, with a brief tune up at the start, and Plant saying that this was the last night. The performances from all band members are superb, as you would expect from so very earlier in their live career. Singing is spot on, and Jimmy Page's brilliant guitar playing needs no introduction. Let us hope that Empress Valley were not stitched up and we have the complete recording, it seems to look and sound as if this is complete.

The sound is very good indeed. It is not a soundboard, but could well be made semi professionally by the venue or someone close to the band. Unless some enterprising member of the audience managed to get in a high quality tape recorder and microphone. So all in all this is one of the most important releases for a long time, and Empress Valley must be very highly commended in tracking this down and paying for its acquisition.

Listening to it right now and Robert's powerful voice is giving me chills.

H9

Norm Apter

Thanks for the thoughtful description of these finds. I'm pretty much salvating at this point...

By the way, have you seen Led Zeppelin's 2003 double-DVD release of live performances. I much prefer it to The Song Remains the Same. Though four shows are included, the most interesting one for me was the 1970 concert at The Royal Albert Hall. In it, Bonzo has a drum solo (in Moby Dick, I believe) that convinced me that there never was and most likely will never be a drummer as good as him when he was in his prime. I'm also a huge Beatles fan. When I saw this show, it really seemed to carry a lot of historical importance. Looking back, it was as if the Beatles were passing the baton on to Led Zeppelin without having consciously done so. If the Beatles defined the transitions of rock in the 1960s, then Led Zeppelin would do that for the 1970s. Anyway, the double-DVD also contains a few live performances from 1969, which I thought you might be interested in: Communication Breakdown, Dazed and Confused, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, How Many More Times, in 4 different settings. If I had a DVD burner I'd burn one for you. Then, on the other hand, I'm guessing that you might already own a copy or have at least seen it.

Norm

heiney9

Norm Apter wrote: »

Thanks for the thoughtful description of these finds. I'm pretty much salvating at this point...

By the way, have you seen Led Zeppelin's 2003 double-DVD release of live performances. I much prefer it to The Song Remains the Same. Though four shows are included, the most interesting one for me was the 1970 concert at The Royal Albert Hall. In it, Bonzo has a drum solo (in Moby Dick, I believe) that convinced me that there never was and most likely will never be a drummer as good as him when he was in his prime. I'm also a huge Beatles fan. When I saw this show, it really seemed to carry a lot of historical importance. Looking back, it was as if the Beatles were passing the baton on to Led Zeppelin without having consciously done so. If the Beatles defined the transitions of rock in the 1960s, then Led Zeppelin would do that for the 1970s. Anyway, the double-DVD also contains a few live performances from 1969, which I thought you might be interested in: Communication Breakdown, Dazed and Confused, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, How Many More Times, in 4 different settings. If I had a DVD burner I'd burn one for you. Then, on the other hand, I'm guessing that you might already own a copy or have at least seen it.

Norm

Hi Norm,

Actually I'm a true fanatic and I have the DVD, but in one form or another I had seen all the footage (and more) that went into the DVD previously. Most of it poor quality high generation video on VHS tapes. I have a 30 min B & W murky, noisy, high generation video of the Royal Albert Hall show from 1970 that has actually been in circulation for about 10-12 years or more. The DVD is pristine compared to the VHS versions of clips of many of the shows on the DVD.

I also have on DVD bootleg the entire pro shot Earls Court concert from the DVD (only a small portion of the songs were included on the DVD) and the entire pro shot Knebworth concert from the DVD (again only a small portion was used). Technology has made the video's and the recent audio's so much better than in the past. Being able to take essentially a 2 track audio file and subtly enhance it is great. Plus, it seems in the past couple years better and better quality stuff is finally seeing the light.

Rumor has it that Empress Valley paid upwards of $10,000 for the recent Whiskey A Go Go from 1-5-69 show to the original taper.

If you're a Zep fan and a rock fan these recordings will be very enjoyable.

H9

Polk addict

Led Zep?

Damn right I'm in!

heiney9

Things are progressing; I didn't realize when I last posted that this weekend was Memorial Day so I'm not quite ready to get this up and running. I need another week or so.

We have (2) options here; the best/easiest is also the slowest and most time consuming.

1) Upload files to MEGAUPLOAD. I provide a link and you simply "click" and "save as". You can down load for free but you will be very limited as to how much you can DL in 24 hrs. When you reach your limit you have to usually wait 2 hours before you can resume down loads.

This becomes a slow process as FLAC files are large and it will take some time to DL a full show because you'll keep reaching a DL limit and have to wait to resume. You can join MEGAUPLOAD for $9.99 a month and have unlimited DL's. All these types of services require a fee IF you want to have unlimited DL's. The idea for this is to be a Karma so joining is sort of a downer.

2) A couple have offered to torrent this which then becomes a "file sharing" event and becomes a little more complicated as software has to be DL'd and configured and you'd have to "share" the files so all can grab a copy. A little more computer "savy" is needed to go this route. I can provide the shows for a torrent but I have no desire to host/administer it.

Anyone have any better ideas? The MEGAUPLOAD thing works well as a freebee; it just takes a little time and effort to get all the parts DL'd. I've joined MEGAUPLOAD so I have unlimited up loading and they stay active for 90 days.

Please chime in as to which method you would use. I'm leaning heavily toward the MEGAUPLOAD simply because it's straight forward and easy to do with very little hassle beyond the DL limit.

H9

Face

From the looks of this thread, more than a few of us are familiar with Torrents.

sophie

when you say you don't want to host/admin it what do you mean? you can just upload it and when there are 2-3 people with the complete thing you are done. it is up to everyone els to do the sharing.

Payton

heiney9

sophie wrote: »

when you say you don't want to host/admin it what do you mean? you can just upload it and when there are 2-3 people with the complete thing you are done. it is up to everyone els to do the sharing.

Payton

I've been a collector for a long time and I have never really gotten involved with torrents. So I'm not that familiar with how they work and what the structure is. When you say "upload it" where do I upload it? Don't I have to have a host site?

Maybe you could post a short and skinny version of how this type of small torrent would work.

petrym

I use Bit Tornado ver 0.3.17, easy to use.

honda cber

as far as i am concerned, $9.95 is money well spent to get these. so, whatever is easiest for you.
a

Norm Apter

heiney9 wrote: »

Please chime in as to which method you would use. I'm leaning heavily toward the MEGAUPLOAD simply because it's straight forward and easy to do with very little hassle beyond the DL limit.

H9

I second the motion of going with the method that you think is easiest. I wouldn't worry too much about the restrictions and time consuming nature for those of us who are downloading this stuff. I mean its really not much of an inconvenience at all, when we're talking about this kind of material. Thats just my two cents.

But can you tell me what I should prepare. I've never bought recordable DVDs before. Is there a certain brand that is better than others? Size and length? And how many would you suggest getting?

heiney9

Norm Apter wrote: »

I second the motion of going with the method that you think is easiest. I wouldn't worry too much about the restrictions and time consuming nature for those of us who are downloading this stuff. I mean its really not much of an inconvenience at all, when we're talking about this kind of material. Thats just my two cents.

But can you tell me what I should prepare. I've never bought recordable DVDs before. Is there a certain brand that is better than others? Size and length? And how many would you suggest getting?

Norm,

I've pretty much decided that I'm going to distribute this Karma via the internet rather than burning several DVD's and sending those out and having the next people send those out......etc., etc., so the only reason YOU would use DVDr's is for archival purposes. It's not necessary to use DVDr's unless that's what you choose.

I choose DVDr's initially because of their data storage capacity. Regular audio files cannot be played from a stand alone DVDp (only on a computer) so all the audio would have needed to be extracted to your hard drive and then burned on conventional CDR's if one wanted to play them outside of the computer; ie; home audio rig.

1) The typical way this works is I will "encode" the tracks with a lossless compression program called FLAC (which is completely open source and free to any and all). I'll post links to a FLAC player for the computer and the "encoder/decoder" program so the files can burned to a CDR as a "normal" .WAV file for play in a cd player.

2) Upload the zipped FLAC files to a storage site (MEGAUPLOAD).

3) Provide users with the link(s) to the files; the user then "left" clicks on the link and selects a destination (on your computer) and then "right" clicks to DL the files.

4) They need to be unzipped and will extract as FLAC files wich can beplayed on your computer or can be converted to .WAV files for burning to CDR and used in any CD player.

Actually I've created a blog spot where I will host this whole thing and I'll probably make it in on going (weekly or bi-weekly) thing. That way those interested can follow it at their leisure and get files/shows at their own pace.

The Blog is under construction and I will soon be posting a "test" file to see how it works.

H9

Norm Apter

Hey H9,

Thanks for the explanation. Sounds very easy and I'm looking forward to it. BTW, as a result of our "conversation" on Led Zep last week, I was inspired to bust out the DVD on Fri night. Glad I did. I had forgotten how good the video and audio are. It put me in another world for a little while. 1970s Led Zeppelin concert footage should be formally established as a genre of its own.

Norm

petrym

Thanks H9! Sounds like a great plan.

heiney9

Alright then, without further fanfare, head over to my blog check out the introduction and dl the sample file. Please, please give me some feedback at the blog level or in this thread. Any questions or problems don't hesitate to ask.

More to come.

click here

H9

engtaz

linky not worky.

engtaz

heiney9

engtaz wrote: »

linky not worky.

engtaz

Thank you for pointing that out.

Should work now!

sophie

here is a quick guide.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/229385

most of it doesn't apply.
1) use bit lord
2) il'l pm you
3) read this
4) read this
5) your not downloading
6) your not downloading
7-15) does not apply

i will send you a pm with more info later tonight.

Payton