IsoClean Audio Grade Fuses

bikezappa

What a collection of morons. Not one funny response. Boring.
You don't even get the reason/purpose of the interview.
With your logic you all need some more witches to burn, like in Salem.
Did you know that mustard, yellow type, spread on the line cord will filter out the noise also.
Saves money. Try it.
Keep thinking out of the box and you will fall off the edge of the earth.
You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Face

Yeah, the earth is square too, right?

dpowell

bikezappa wrote: »

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

But I bet the horse could hear the difference, even though he couldn't quantify it with numbers.

dorokusai

He could probably stomp his hooves in approval.

cstmar01

DarqueKnight wrote: »

Joe, I thought you were a reasonable rational fellow and now I come to find out that you are listening to a MF Tri-Vista 300 that cost several thousands of dollars.

Tell you what, next time I am up your way I am going to bring my oscilloscope and multimeter and we'll see if your high-falutin' MF Tri-Vista 300 measures any better than an inexpensive Sony integrated amp. I don't expect that my meters, which work on Ohm's Law, which show any measurable difference between the volts, ohms and amps in the Sony and the MF.


Now, I ain't gonna do any subjective listening tests because you audiophile folk are masters at pulling the wool over the eyes of innocents and gullibles with all your slick packaging, thick gold-plated cables and impressive machined aluminum cases and such.

sweet. Sooo would you be willing to come to WI and bring that Cary player with you? I mean I have a DVD player I picked up at wally world for 20 bucks that I can trade ya. There is no difference, and its a lot smaller so you don't have to worry about it taking up a lot of room ;)

megasat16

A little inside me died from crying (laughing) out loud reading this tread.

Horse **** seems the last trend in the cable and fuse enhancements.

megasat16

Seriously saying this to some naysayers, optimism helps every now and then. Try it first. If it doesn't help, flip it. You might lose $5 bucks for a fuse but it's equivalent to a cup of starbucks. What you got to lose? May be a little caffeine?

Sometimes, small things adds up but sometimes, it doesn't. But you are to find out if you want to help others out. One man's logic is never a perfect thing coz we are all illogical at best.

But quality manufactures have been using good quality fuses in their gears for generations. While they don't cost $25 each, good quality fuses aren't usually cheap either. They are not the $1 rat shack type if you ask. The material and craftsmanship counts everywhere with good brand name. QC is most important for such small factor and simple attention to detail is more artistic than just good engineering.

Some cares for such details while some don't. But if you are someone who spends $10K for a gear, you don't want to find out it cost $500 to make it with $1 fuse in it.

It's simple - you'll just LOL if you see any Hollywood celeb stepping out in a cheap attire.

And No, Ceramic type fuse doesn't generally assure better quality than the standard glass type fuse. It's just that they are used for different applications.

About Horse ****, it's used as a raw material in making traditional Asian Preserved Eggs. Believe it or not, but it's true. Even horse **** has a use sometimes as in Chicken ****, and worm ****.

BlueFox

bikezappa wrote: »

There are many successful methods to interview a person for an engineering position. A key requirement is to determine if the candidate can recognize real data from crap numbers. Here is my simple test.

I greet the candidate who is sitting at a round table. I apologize that I need to address something that is work related but will be back in ten minutes. I ask the candidate to calculate the circumference of the table which is about 36” in diameter and hand the candidate a calculator which has a pie button and a tape measure. I ask them to write the answer on the paper. I come back in ten minutes and look at the answer on the paper. If the answer is something like 113.0953784” the interview is over. They failed.

This is one of the stupidest interview questions yet. Who bothers to memorize these grade school formulas? Anyone who relies on memory for an engineering job is one poor engineer. You better hope whatever they designed from memory is not life critical.

bikezappa

BlueFox wrote: »

This is one of the stupidest interview questions yet. Who bothers to memorize these grade school formulas? Anyone who relies on memory for an engineering job is one poor engineer. You better hope whatever they designed from memory is not life critical.

I thought everyone knew how to calculate the circumferance of a circle from grade school.

Circumf = d * pi.

Sorry to confuse you.

Give me a break.

heiney9

bikezappa wrote: »

I thought everyone knew how to calculate the circumferance of a circle from grade school.

Circumf = d * pi.

Sorry to confuse you.

Give me a break.

Funny how you simplify your responses. ^^^^

This is what you said in your original post which is far from grade school thinking or math and in your own words he got the job because of the third choice.

bikezappa wrote:

A good answer would be 113.1”

A better answer would be 113.1 +/- 0.2”

A great answer would be a table of ten different measurements of the diameter of the table which are averaged with a calculated circumference with a standard deviation from the mean. I’m sure there are even better answers but the candidate had only ten minutes.

That answer would get them hired that day because they understand the meaning of data/numbers.

Funny how you can twist your own words. You talk in circles a lot, whatever fits your agenda. You are one of the most inconsistent posters here as your responses many times are all over the board depending on what you want to disprove or minimize.

Just an observation..........atleast for most of us who do hear a difference, we are very consistent in our message.

H9

bikezappa

To others and heiney, you need to improve your reading skills.
It's clear you don't understand what a significan figure means and why an answer to the question of what is the circumferance of the table with 20 digits is wrong.

No table is purfectly round so you need to measure it a few times at different locations and get an average. Then you calculate by subtraction the difference between the avarage or mean in this case with all the diameter measurements to get the deviation from the mean......

Forget it and go by some more fuses and worship on the altar of ignorance.

heiney9

bikezappa wrote: »

worship on the altar of ignorance.

I'll kindly wait behind you until you're done.

H9

ben62670

I have a formula. BZ=Bozo squared. If you believe that there is no such thing as a perfect circle there must be no such thing as a perfect straight line.

megasat16

Sorry Bikezappa! Having faith doesn't make you a weak human. Having no faith doesn't make you a strong one either.

Knowledge is power! Guard it well at our Holy Altair of Wisdom and Ignorance.

bikezappa

ben62670 wrote: »

I have a formula. BZ=Bozo squared. If you believe that there is no such thing as a perfect circle there must be no such thing as a perfect straight line.

Not very funny. you can do better.

Show me the table fabricated with a perfect circle.

ben62670

Can the table have perfect straight lines?

quadzilla

bikezappa wrote: »

What a collection of morons. Not one funny response. Boring.
You don't even get the reason/purpose of the interview.
With your logic you all need some more witches to burn, like in Salem.
Did you know that mustard, yellow type, spread on the line cord will filter out the noise also.
Saves money. Try it.
Keep thinking out of the box and you will fall off the edge of the earth.
You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

You want funny? Give us some material to riff off of. Everything you post is just the same droning "I don't know how to measure it so it must not exist I don't know how to measure it so it must not exist I don't know how to measure it so it must not exist" ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

And I do get what you think the point of the interview is. I just happen to think it merely proves what a giant tool you can be. Like I said, in such an interview with me you would have gotten the number you wanted, but not for the reason you would think you were getting it. It really makes me wonder how many lazy people you've hired because you mistakenly thought they were smart, but really, they were just too lazy to write out the whole number.

And for what it's worth, when I do interviews I look for people that can do a couple things; understand the important data in a given situation, then use that to reach a conclusion and take action based on that conclusion. Everything else, I can teach them. But those abilities seem to escape the majority of the population. It's even rather much harder than plugging numbers into a calculator, which it seems is the only requirement to do whatever it is you do.

quadzilla

bikezappa wrote: »

I thought everyone knew how to calculate the circumferance of a circle from grade school.

Circumf = d * pi.

Sorry to confuse you.

Give me a break.

Yeah, I hate to break this to you, but most people forget any math more complicated than what's needed to balance a checkbook pretty quickly after getting out of school. Why? Because it's not important to them. I remember a bit of Euclidian, and even a little bit of non-Euclidian geometry, but I've forgotten most of it because I never use it. I do, however, have a pretty good working knowledge of things like the algorithim for a Diffie-Helman key exchange because I deal with that stuff daily. I don't, however, expect others to, and don't think less of them or make fun of them because they don't because I don't make the mistake of thinking that because I know it, everyone else should too. That's how you become a giant tool wrt specialized knowledge.

bikezappa

ben62670 wrote: »

Can the table have perfect straight lines?

That's a very insightful thought and is the basis of calculus. You break down any curve into a series of small straight lines written as dx & dy.

Nothing to do with fuses however.

LessisNevermore

bikezappa wrote: »

To others and heiney, you need to improve your reading skills.
It's clear you don't understand what a significan figure means and why an answer to the question of what is the circumferance of the table with 20 digits is wrong.

No table is purfectly round so you need to measure it a few times at different locations and get an average. Then you calculate by subtraction the difference between the avarage or mean in this case with all the diameter measurements to get the deviation from the mean......

Forget it and go by some more fuses and worship on the altar of ignorance.

FAIL.

You said in your first example, that you gave the prospect a calculator, and a TAPE MEASURE. I would hire the guy that used the tape to measure the circumference directly, and left the calculator sit.

You asked for the circumference, not an accurate dimensional average of the diameter.

bikezappa

quadzilla wrote: »

You want funny? Give us some material to riff off of. Everything you post is just the same droning "I don't know how to measure it so it must not exist I don't know how to measure it so it must not exist I don't know how to measure it so it must not exist" ad infinitum, ad nauseum..

Sorry dude I never used that simple expression.

There are many things in nature that we don't understand.

bikezappa

LessisNevermore wrote: »

FAIL.

You said in your first example, that you gave the prospect a calculator, and a TAPE MEASURE. I would hire the guy that used the tape to measure the circumference directly, and left the calculator sit.

Great answer!

bikezappa

quadzilla wrote: »

Yeah, I hate to break this to you, but most people forget any math more complicated than what's needed to balance a checkbook pretty quickly after getting out of school. Why? Because it's not important to them. I remember a bit of Euclidian, and even a little bit of non-Euclidian geometry, but I've forgotten most of it because I never use it. I do, however, have a pretty good working knowledge of things like the algorithim for a Diffie-Helman key exchange because I deal with that stuff daily. I don't, however, expect others to, and don't think less of them or make fun of them because they don't because I don't make the mistake of thinking that because I know it, everyone else should too. That's how you become a giant tool wrt specialized knowledge.

Do you remember the multiplication tables?

How about area of a circle?

BlueFox

quadzilla wrote: »

And for what it's worth, when I do interviews I look for people that can do a couple things; understand the important data in a given situation, then use that to reach a conclusion and take action based on that conclusion.

Yes. Understanding the concept is much more important. Any fool can work out the details, but if they cannot understand the concept behind the question then getting something right is more accidental than intentional.

I would much rather have a candidate tell me they do not bother memorizing network protocols or language syntax since "The Google" exists. But if they do not understand why a protocol does 'x', or why a language feature does 'y' then adios.

quadzilla

bikezappa wrote: »

Do you remember the multiplication tables?

How about area of a circle?

Why is that important? But yes to both, though I'm not going to recite even as far as 12 sqrd. And pi R sqr. No, pies are round. hyuk hyuk hyuk.

But really, I have a calculator and google. So does that knowledge actually benefit me? Not really, at least not that I can see, as I don't have a need to figure the area of a circle very often. Calculating the trajectory of another moving object relative to my trajectory is something I do a lot more often, is a lot handier, and something that I do that entirely without math.

bikezappa

BlueFox wrote: »

Yes. Understanding the concept is much more important. Any fool can work out the details, but if they cannot understand the concept behind the question then getting something right is more accidental than intentional.

I would much rather have a candidate tell me they do not bother memorizing network protocols or language syntax since "The Google" exists. But if they do not understand why a protocol does 'x', or why a language feature does 'y' then adios.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I'll give the candidate the equation for the calculation. OK.

The point is that the candidate needs to know that the answer can't have 20 numbers because they can't measure the diameter to that accuracy.

Translated fuses do not have any significant capacitive or inductive reatance to filter any thing.

Mustard works better by the way. You don't believe that. They why believe that fuses are better?

Good night.

DarqueKnight

Holy ulcers Batman!!

Good grief!

I said a while ago that I took oscilloscope noise spectrum measurements of audio grade fuses and saw lower conducted power line noise overall, and specifically, lower conducted power line noise when the fuses were oriented in the intended direction.

I sent my noise spectrum plots to Isoclean and HiFi Tuning and specifically asked:

1. What was responsible for the power line noise reduction I was seeing?
2. Why did the fuses exhibit better noise reduction in one direction?

Both manufacturers declined to answer my questions.

I sent the noise spectrum plots to Jack Bybee, a world renowned physicist who did seminal work in materials-based noise filtering for the US Navy. I asked him if the fuses used any of his materials-based noise filtering technologies. Mr. Bybee commended me on my quest for understanding how the fuses worked and said it was a worthy endeavor, however, he also said the fuses did not use any of his products or technologies. I would have expected that if he thought I was on a fool's quest, he would have gently corrected me.

Link: Response From Jack Bybee

It is interesting that an eminent pioneering physicist in the field of electrical noise reduction technologies did not scoff at the idea of a power line fuse having some capability to reduce conducted power line noise. He commended my quest for better understanding. If you take the time to become familiar with Jack Bybee's accomplishments in the field of electrical noise reduction, you would see that his encouragement spoke volumes. Contrast that with the incessant ravings of our resident physicist.

I really don't understand why MY audio fuse thread is so controversial to some people. Another member discussed his positive experiences with HiFi Tuning fuses nearly three years prior to me posting my results and there was a very civil discussion:

Link: HiFi-Tuning Fuses Thread, by JM1, 5-09-06

Bottom line: I don't know how the fuses work. I have access to facilities where I could do some reverse engineering and probably find out for sure, but the quantitatively measured conducted noise reduction and the sonic benefits are enough for me.

I do have a lot of technical curiosity, but, as I said a few years ago:

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I don't need to know how something works in order to enjoy it.

Such Good Sound!

hearingimpared

bikezappa wrote: »

What a collection of morons. Not one funny response. Boring.
You don't even get the reason/purpose of the interview.
With your logic you all need some more witches to burn, like in Salem.
Did you know that mustard, yellow type, spread on the line cord will filter out the noise also.
Saves money. Try it.
Keep thinking out of the box and you will fall off the edge of the earth.
You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Peter, I'm beginning to think you are outright ****! I've conducted many, many interviews during my career and would never conduct an interview such as you described. First off walking out of the interview for a moment is just plain, "you are not important to me" and rude to the interviewee, and your method is entrapment because the guy came up with the proper answer to the question you posed however, you personally wanted another! The purpose of an interview IMHO is get to find out as much as possible by questioning the subject on anything and everything related to the job. I also would pose several, "what would you do in this situation" scenarios. It's not about looking for an exact duplicate of yourself.

UGH! You don't like to be called names, you whine about it all the time, you warn people that if they don't behave or respond the way WE want them to then they will be called names, YET YOU STATE, "What a collection of morons." Are you talking to me, are you talking to the most recent posters NO you encapsulate the forum collective.

Your comments on the high end fuses are BS. You've not tried them, you've not measured their results (UGH!) and guess what, your credibility just flushed down my toilet forever.

I believe you just like to think you are better than everyone else here and love to argue for the sake of arguing.

I've been pretty respectful to you in the past, for the most part, but I find you to be hypocritical and condescending and just plain crabby and closed minded.

Bozo listed.

hearingimpared

bikezappa wrote: »

I thought everyone knew how to calculate the circumferance of a circle from grade school.

Circumf = d * pi.

Sorry to confuse you.

Give me a break.

How friggin ridiculous. I forgot most of what I learned in school throughout my career BECAUSE I DIDN'T USE IT! According your thinking, I need to carry around 100 lbs of text books on my back to get through what was my career and life in general.:rolleyes:

BTW congratulations on your attempt to prove you remember EVERYTHING you learned in school! It sure puts us all to shame and dismisses any research done and experience gained.:rolleyes:

hearingimpared

bikezappa wrote: »

To others and heiney, you need to improve your reading skills.
It's clear you don't understand what a significan figure means and why an answer to the question of what is the circumferance of the table with 20 digits is wrong.

No table is purfectly round so you need to measure it a few times at different locations and get an average. Then you calculate by subtraction the difference between the avarage or mean in this case with all the diameter measurements to get the deviation from the mean......
Forget it and go by some more fuses and worship on the altar of ignorance.

Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ (forgive me Lord!) How about having the guy make sure the molecules in the "round table" are stable and not moving by using measuring equipment!:rolleyes:

You are really way, way out there.