New TT - I hate it

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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    You & I are in perfect agreement H9.:)
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Cathy, you and I are in agreement for the most part in this thread. But I have to say if I heard a favorite piece of music of mine thru my TV speakers vs. my SDA's, I'd have to say I'd get more of an emotional high from the big rig rather than the TV speakers.

    For me it's a combination of many things to get that "high" off the music and or muscians. I can listen to tin can sounding Led Zep boots all day long and be moved by what I hear. But if I knew said exact same recording was in better fidelity I'd seek that out and get the same "high". What I'm trying to say no so eloquently is sometimes it is just about the music for me, but most times it's how good it sounds as well as the music.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    This is basically what I said some posts ago. . . the music, the music, the music. . .

    However there is one thing here that I don't think I've made clear to you that you aren't considering either. You can have the exact same piece of music let's say Tchaikovsky's 1812 OVerture (mainly because we can all agree that is an emotional recording) performed by two different orchestras and if the performance is poor then the awesome music looses it's emotional punch. I've experienced that and as Brock said about the LZ boots.

    Agreed Joe. This is why I prefer recorded music over most live music cause if something or someone is off it can be seriously crappy! I love the 1812 Overture.

    Perhaps you could also see why the redbook of DSOTM pales in comparison to the SACD version. I can tell you I get a similar involvement with both the analog and SACD versions of this recording. . . the redbook CDs that I have of this are a disgrace to the excellance of the engineering.

    I only have the SACD version of DSOTM. And I only got it cause you guys rave about it so much (You all were right!):D

    I can't believe your perception of Jazz at the Pawnshop. All the songs tell a story and they are performed exquisitely. Perhaps you just don't like that genre or perhaps because you heard it on SACD rather than on an analog front end and you weren't moved. No digital version of JATP moves me like the LP does. . .they just don't convey the absolute liveness of that recording.

    Don't get me wrong Joe. It is a great recording of live music & they are excellent performers. But the genre has never been a favorite of mine. Those of you that like that style of music will be very happy campers.
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited July 2007
    My GOD!!!! This thread is insane!!!
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2007
    Post 157. Have we discovered a solution for world peace yet?

    Tastes Great. . . Less Filling.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    I understand what you are saying Sona. Radio can really do a butcher number on songs, just so they can fit in more commercials!:mad:

    For years they butchered, Don Mclean's Bye Bye Miss American Pie, Eagles Lyin Eyes, Don Henley's Heart Of the Matter, whoever sings Stay Just A Little Bit Longer.

    I was shocked when I got some of the albums & was singing along & then there came a verse or more that I never knew was there!:eek: :mad:

    They still do it & it infuriates me!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited July 2007
    cfrizz wrote: »
    For years they butchered, Don Mclean's Bye Bye Miss American Pie, Eagles Lyin Eyes, Don Henley's Heart Of the Matter, whoever sings Stay Just A Little Bit Longer.

    I was shocked when I got some of the albums & was singing along & then there came a verse or more that I never knew was there!:eek: :mad:

    They still do it & it infuriates me!

    Not the radio stations specifically but the record companies those songs are special versions called "radio edits" you see them occasionally on cd singles or hits collections as bonus tracks. They have/had a formula for songs on the radio something like 3:35 was the perfect radio song length, yada, yada, yada........
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    This is why I HATE record companies! I wish all artists could find a way to market their music & kick the companies asses to the curb!
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited July 2007
    We go from TT troubles, to Analog vs Digital, now Radio Edits, and Record Labels!

    What's next?????
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited July 2007
    cmy330go wrote: »
    We go from TT troubles, to Analog vs Digital, now Radio Edits, and Record Labels!

    What's next?????


    Well, let's see........TT are analog and they were replaced with digital cdp's. Radio edits were originally released on 45's & 12" vinyl before cd's. Record labels originally produced records (vinyl) which to my knowledge have always been played on a TT. It all seems on topic to me.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    Anyone seen APC since this thread started? :D

    Been reading about the Rega P1 and it seems to be getting REALLY good reviews. Might be worth shipping back the Project and giving the Rega a try.

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2007
    Max,

    He posted he sent the Project Back and is just sticking with his old table.

    RT1
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    Now I just need some horn speakers to go with the vinyl and tubes. :)

    Oh, life in the analog world would be so complete.

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,802
    edited July 2007
    You just need a horn for your iPod :-)
    http://www.scienceandsons.com/ph2.php

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    That is awesome! I want one.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited July 2007
    That thing is pretty cool. Would love to hear what it sounds like.

    Of course I would want 2 so I could have stereo.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

    Can the end of the world be far behind???:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    I'm thinking it would sound pretty cool.

    I wonder if you played 1920's music through it if it would sound close to a victrola?

    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • apc
    apc Posts: 779
    edited July 2007
    Thought I mentioned earlier that the Pro-ject went back. Gonna stick with the old Technics since a true upgrade would be more than I want to invest on that application.

    I'd mention that I am looking into buying a Jeep, but that might cause another unexpected fork in the thread...;)
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  • pearsall001
    pearsall001 Posts: 5,068
    edited July 2007
    That thing looks like a modified crapper...perfect for vinyl playback!!
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited July 2007
    ROTFLMAO!!!! For both APC & Phil.

    Enjoy your Technics TT APC.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited July 2007
    pearsall001 wrote: »
    That thing looks like a modified crapper...

    A perfect fit for your head!:p
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited July 2007
    The definitive answer:

    1. There is no 'best' format. All are a compromise of sorts.

    2. If all you are looking to spend on vinyl for is 300 bucks, other than nostalgia/cool factor.....you are better off saving your money.

    3. Surface noise isn't a fact of life if you own a vacuum cleaner for your vinyl, which if you are serious isn't optional.

    4. Digital HAS come a long way, baby.

    5. To achieve comparable listening experiences (not same, COMPARABLE) vinyl is about 5x more expensive.

    6. Vinyl need not be tedious or time consuming. It takes less than a minute to clean both sides of an LP and get it spinning.

    Carry on.

    BDT
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  • cstpeter
    cstpeter Posts: 387
    edited July 2007
    Troy, I agree with all your points except number 5. My digital setup is more expensive than my vinyl setup, but the vinyl is still much better, IMO.

    Just my $.02
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2007
    totally agree Troy, atta boy.

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  • cmy330go
    cmy330go Posts: 2,341
    edited July 2007
    I too would have to disagree with number 5 on TroyD's list. In my experience (and opinion) the opposite is true.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    I agree that vinyl costs more in the start of the performance curve. WAY more. However, once you get beyond the typical OPPO or Toshiba player, digital gets real expensive to upgrade the sound. At some point digital gets stuck on the upgrade path. That is where a TT can really take over. Either way is fun (and expensive)...
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2007
    You want to play you need to pay............

    I will have Avantgarde Horns.

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    I will have Avantgarde Horns.

    RT1


    I'm holding you to it. I need a real review of a pair. Last week I saw a pair of Duo's for $7K on audiogon. Sold in two days.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited July 2007
    They had some of the big boys with the basshorns for 33,000 not so long ago on the Gon, they were in Atlanta so close to me, it was a really tough jones to fight, and I mean really tough, maybe late next year.

    Of course Polk could always build some horns, but I am not exactly holding my breath on that one.

    Those with a quality Table, nice digital source, and about 2 watts of pure class A sweetness ought to get'er done.

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2007
    From what I understand, the big boys really are BIG BOYS and will light up a full sized auditorium.
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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