Day without Immigrants?

BIZILL

Sami wrote:

Yes you might but in the beginning you'd be trying to deal with locals in English if your Spanish wouldn't be good enough. And are they thinking when you struggle that at least he should try to make the effort to learn their language...

Illegals, the younger are learning the language but the older are struggling and that is natural. Some are trying, some are not as they do manage with Spanish. Can't really blame them. How many of you are fluent in more than one language? How many of those learned it at older age?

i already have some high school years of spanish so that i may be able to 'fit in' around my near-border city. go to any local park around here, they're all taken over. sorry. just stating the facts as i experience them.

Skynut

unc2701 wrote:

The true issue is the problem that they are willing to work at a much lower wage than any american. At which point it becomes a question of supply & demand; amercian businesses get hooked on the cheap wages and get into a loop where they can only afford to hire illegals. On the one hand, it's a **** job that no american would take, but the reason why it's such a **** job is that the illegals were willing take it a let it be so crappy. If all the illegals disappeared overnight, would americans show up in the morning to take the jobs?

Anyhow, deporting a couple million people isn't going to work, so let's stop posturing like its gonna happen.

We have laws for this. Minimum Wage.
Min wage is a law. They are foregoing the law and so are the people paying them so two laws are being broken even if they are here legally.

And I believe that the wages for these jobs that Americans don't want would go up and Americans would fill the vacancy. It would not come quick and it would cost everybody who buys those products but the peaches and tomatoes are still going to be available to everyone.

PhantomOG

PolkThug wrote:

It is very true. Every year, nearly 9 million people pay their taxes using the wrong Social Security number. The name used on W-2 tax forms used by employers doesn't match the name on file with the Social Security Administration. There can be many reasons why -- a data entry typo by a human resources department, a woman changes her name after marriage and forgets to report it, or a man uses someone else's SSN to get a job.

Social Security calls this a "no-match" situation. When this happens, the Social Security Administration collects the money, but the wage credits go into limbo. They don't end up on anyone's annual Social Security statement, they end up in something called the Earnings Suspense File. Since 1984, when the Social Security card employment verification requirement kicked in, nearly $500 billion in wages has ended up in that file.

so they broke the law by entering the country illegally, they broke the law again by falsifying employment records ---> and I'm supposed to feel sorry because they can't get an income tax refund??? and I'm supposed to feel bad because they pay sales tax??? cry me a f-ing river. :mad:

have you ever been in a car accident with an illegal immigrant? you better have uninsured motorists coverage. do you think that your auto insurance and health insurance premiums aren't any higher due to illegal immigrants?

All these so-called horrible injustices against illegal immigrants happen to them BY CHOICE. No one told them to cross the border illegally. No one told them to use a false SSN. Yes, they are just trying to better themselves, but they definitely are better off than they were before or they wouldn't have come here in the first place. As someone who is close to many people who have immigrated here legally I can't and won't feel sorry for those who choose to do so illegally.

PolkThug

PhantomOG wrote:

so they broke the law by entering the country illegally, they broke the law again by falsifying employment records ---> and I'm supposed to feel sorry because they can't get an income tax refund??? and I'm supposed to feel bad because they pay sales tax??? cry me a f-ing river. :mad:

have you ever been in a car accident with an illegal immigrant? you better have uninsured motorists coverage. do you think that your auto insurance and health insurance premiums aren't any higher due to illegal immigrants?

You're barking up the wrong tree, don't get mad at me, get mad at the IRS. They KNOW when 20 people are using your SSN, and they have a few billion reasons not to tell you.

Danny Tse

Skynut wrote:

And I believe that the wages for these jobs that Americans don't want would go up and Americans would fill the vacancy. It would not come quick and it would cost everybody who buys those products but the peaches and tomatoes are still going to be available to everyone.

That's the big question....will you pay 2X or more for tomatos? Will the general American population go for that for most of the produce at the local supermarket?

And since we are talking about the illegal immigrants, how come we never mention the employers that employ them? They are breaking the law as well. Or perhaps the likes of Walmart and those giant agri-businesses have too much lobbying power....

brettw22

PhantomOG wrote:

have you ever been in a car accident with an illegal immigrant? you better have uninsured motorists coverage. do you think that your auto insurance and health insurance premiums aren't any higher due to illegal immigrants?

Having lived in AZ for 7 years, I can guarantee you that insurance rates are higher because of Illegals......

I'm hoping that everyone's done pissing about what version of English is being spoken. I don't care if you have a hillbilly accent on your English, but don't start spouting off in Vietnamese, Chinese, French, Spanish, or Hindu then look at me like I'm the moron.

I wish I had the email (which I'm sure most of you have seen), that asks what would happen if every situation that hispanics have expected this country to provide to their illegal asses were demanded of them by us in Mexico. We'd probably be shot on the spot

Sami

PhantomOG wrote:

and I'm supposed to feel sorry because they can't get an income tax refund??? and I'm supposed to feel bad because they pay sales tax??? cry me a f-ing river. :mad:

I think the whole issue was people telling these workers do not contribute, which is false. Of course most of them fill out the W-4 with maximum dependants so they don't pay federal tax, or get paid under the table. No insurance, well, without a SSN you can't get a drivers license and without license no insurance. That's the issue in hand IIRC, people who are here illegally would like to do these things many of you are complaining about; being able to obtain insurance, being able to pay taxes (as unbelievable as it might sound).

Danny Tse

PhantomOG wrote:

so they broke the law by entering the country illegally, they broke the law again by falsifying employment records ---> and I'm supposed to feel sorry because they can't get an income tax refund??? and I'm supposed to feel bad because they pay sales tax??? cry me a f-ing river. :mad:

What PolkThug posted are, from all indications, facts. We are not saying what the illegal immigrants done was right. Just that they DO contribute taxes to the system. What the IRS or Social Security do with the money is the subject of another thread.

criverajr

It's win win, the big & small companies get low cost labor and make more money which goes back into the economy and so on and so on. I have on occasion used illegal immigrants to do some hard, dirty labor that I could get from a legal non immigrant here but for twice the price and take twice as long, no harm no foul I say.

CRj

PhantomOG

Sami wrote:

people who are here illegally would like to do these things many of you are complaining about; being able to obtain insurance, being able to pay taxes (as unbelievable as it might sound).

and they would had they followed the laws on how to get here legally. everyone seems to forget that. its not like they magically appeared here illegally and are being opressed.

BIZILL

deport 'em all and have them lazy **** homeless bums take their job positions. period.

BIZILL

two birds......one stone

PolkThug

How about earning citizenship for a 2 year contract in one of the Armed Services?

BIZILL

you'd put your trust in their loyalty?

just got pissed a bit ago when my boss told me about his weekend at walmart. he was accidentally blocking a mex family with his cart and the dude got uppety about it. then he decided to call my boss a 'stupid white boy'. damn them. that's like me moving to mexico and uttering the slur, 'damn mexicans'.:mad:

Danny Tse

BIZILL wrote:

deport 'em all and have them lazy **** homeless bums take their job positions. period.

Easy to say but hard to do. I work across the street from San Francisco City Hall and each day I have to walk pass a great number of homeless people just to get to work. Meanwhile, the local Burger King and McDonalds are hiring....would these homeless people like to apply? Nooooo, they rather ask you for a "donation" or harass you at the ATM.

PolkThug

BIZILL wrote:

you'd put your trust in their loyalty?

Yes.

BIZILL

Danny Tse wrote:

Easy to say but hard to do. I work across the street from San Francisco City Hall and each day I have to walk pass a great number of homeless people just to get to work. Meanwhile, the local Burger King and McDonalds are hiring....would these homeless people like to apply? Nooooo, they rather ask you for a "donation" or harass you at the ATM.

yeah, i was just messin'. it just popped into my head and i typed hastily.

BIZILL

PolkThug wrote:

Yes.

masanz1

first capital wrote:

Have to give some of them credit for what they are willing to go through to get into the country to try and earn a living.

I'm sorry but my ancestors went through a hell of a lot more to become part of this country. They did not have interpreters for DMV, classrooms, etc, special aid, the list goes on. Don't give me this junk about working the crappy jobs, any immigrant will work any job if it meant being in America.

Danny Tse

BIZILL wrote:

yeah, i was just messin'. it just popped into my head and i typed hastily.

That's OK

What gets me angry about the homeless people here in San Francisco is that, I believe, the city has a "minimum living wage" of something like $8.00/hour or $9.00/hour, which is significantly higher than the state minimum wage.

BIZILL

but most homeless are entitled to those rights, if they so choose. (if they are legals)

brettw22

I'm all for nixing welfare so those who are so inclined to be willingly jobless are made to work. The line is simple........not legal = no rights.

Danny Tse

BIZILL wrote:

but most homeless are entitled to those rights, if they so choose. (if they are legals)

I can't prove this, but from my personal observations, most homeless people here aren't illegal immigrants.

But we're getting off the subject....back to the original programming already in progress.

Edit: I think the title of this thread should be changed to "Day without illegal immigrants?" We, or our families, are all immigrants to this country at one time or another. The issue is how this country should deal with those who are here illegally.

Sami

masanz1 wrote:

any immigrant will work any job if it meant being in America.

Immigrants from 3rd world countries, most likely yes, but any immigrant...absolutely not. You are forgetting there are immigrants from all over the world, just like there are Americans emigrating all over the world. Not all of them are from poor surroundings, I came from a country where poverty does not even exist (it doesn't mean it's perfect so don't read it that way).

PolkThug

brettw22 wrote:

I'm all for nixing welfare so those who are so inclined to be willingly jobless are made to work.

Ding ding ding! Here we have the root of the problem.

1. "I'm an American and yes I'm poor, but, I can get by without working at all, this country is great!"
2. 5% of low level jobs don't get filled by Americans.
3. Mexicans fill the void.

*Of course I'm keeping it simple, but I'm sure everyone gets the point.

One of my very close relatives worked for a long time at a service that got people jobs, and bent over backwards to provide free transportation to the jobs, etc. Well, "you can lead a horse to water...."

BIZILL

my mom is from vietnam. came here through legal channels. she's made money and sponsored some of her family to come here as well. all legit. those that have come have helped others as well. it can be done.

and on the subject of the english language, i always am asked why i never learned to speak vietnamese or why i was never forced to learn from my mom. well, if i were to go to vietnam, perhaps it would behove me to learn. but i will most decidedly never go there. in my current venue it is more 'beneficial' to learn spanish. but the fact is, i just never cared to learn as english is all i'll ever need or require living in the states.

audiobliss

Day without immigrants

Sounds wonderful to my ears! Assuming, of course, you're referring to those illegal immigrants.

BIZILL

BIZILL wrote:

english is all i'll ever need or require living in the states.

.......for now.....

bottom line, english should be a pre-requisite to citizenship. you work at our mcdonalds, please take my order in english. if i work a taco stand in mexico, you think they want me taking their order in english???:eek:

yo, paco, what 'chu want on your taco? ? sorry, i did you say 'que' or 'okay'? that'll be 20,000 pesos yo.

brettw22

BIZILL wrote:

.......for now.....

Post ****.......quoting yourself and all...........wtf.

BIZILL

been gone awhile. need to up my count.